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[icarusfalling]

i have been reading and reading and it has got to the point where i am back to square one..... i have no clue what to do

i have done a lot of research and found a common trend that these three are very popular

Aniracetam(sounds VERY nice)
Alpha GPC (choline) building blocks for the brain but there is also Choline Bitartrate .. so what should i get?
Acetyl-l-carnitine sounds good

ALC(except this one because it has good properties for protection)
Gingko
DMAE
Bacopa
im kinda swinging away from these from hearing that they are not very strong. myself trying gingko i really couldn't notice any big difference(maybe a little but it could be placebo for all i know :( )

beyond this i have seen so many good synergist combinations im lost in information. some synergy's tend to have one drug be better with another but it has side effects that you may not want

my main thing i want to get out of this is a nice compact stack where i can get the most benefit for value/cost. this way i dont have to up to EXTREME amounts to just help my brain a little more like these CRAZY stacks i see guys use with like 8-12 pills taken once or even twice per day !!!!
so im thinking like a 4-7 stack so it is medium sized and get as much benefit i can out of it

please tell me ANY thoughts or complications you think might come up with what i am trying to do because i will adjust if i know it is really worth it

to try to clear up some of all of this here are my goals:
1. safty is VERY important to me and do not want to try something with any sort of negative side effects or anything that may decrease life span (i eat very healthy and excersize as it is and do not want this to effect the positive benfits i get from that)
2. make my mind speed up a bit (when i read or anything of the sort my mind tends to go into a sort of trance trying to figure things out and my mind feels dragy not so much like i feel my mind is tired more the kind where it's trying to work something out).. it also might have something to do with my mind wondering
3. better communication of cells so that when you talk your cells communicate faster and you tend to bring up things better and faster (from memory and for creativity etc.)
4.but i find it very hard to bring up names and facts from out of no where as it takes me some time to think about it and then it just clicks. this might have to do with cells communicating better or possibily just the memory was not stored in the correct place in my mind or some other thing.. (who knows) i see some guys think about it for like 3 seconds tops and they recall it where i ussually take 2-10 mins
5. putting things into long term memory more clearly and with more depth and facts than before
6.when it comes to simple memorization i have to go to rediculous legths to memorize words and names and such even with mnomics (spelling for example) i tend to have to go over things over and over again before they are stored into long term memory to which REALLY slows me down.
7. the more i try to bring things out of memory the more axiety i get which im not sure what the cause of. it may just be a psychological annoance

i was just noticing that 2-4 are very simular and that might be the cause of almost all my problems :D:D:D:D ! ! ! !:|

besides that i don't want nootropics to effect my current abilities which i consider very good. i feel like i got a few REALLY good things and the rest bad as far as my genes go. these are my main goals.

i can bring up things VERY WELL from an anchor(seeing something and remembering it) as i am now i can think for hours on end and find i have very good critical thinking. (above average iq thinking skills) and have also learned many mneomic stratgies but i am still at a loss for many things like pulling the mneomics out of memory with haste. i tend to think a lot of brain power is how we have been brought up to think threw things and that said many problems can be solved by thinking correctly. i tend to have a hard time understanding when someone speaks about effects they have. as an example one person said they felt more social but that has little to do with your brain. other examples include relaxation, ability to work longer. i find if you feel a drag on your mind a lot of that comes with just eating and drinking enough in your day so your body doesn't feel dragged down. that said i am looking for the best possibly stack that i can use to get these nootropic effects

[scottl]

FYI: Aniracetam:

if you search Avant (and perhaps dopamine's recent posts??) you may see that some react positively to Aniracetam and some do not.

[pinballwizard]

icarusfalling,

Use the advanced search at the top of the page, if you are not already using it. Some people don't like DMAE because word is in the community that it interferes with choline production. A small stack is easier to manage. You might want to substitute aniracetam with piracetam. Make sure to take enough AGPC if you get headaches.

Read Smart Drugs I and II. "Brain Candy" book gets you a negative version of the smart drug industry. "Natural Highs" book explains neurotransmitter systems to the lay-people.

After that, you start reading Medline at some library that subscribes to it.

7 is great number to start stacking, I am not sure that I would choose those smart drugs.

Deprenyl in really small doses, Piracetam, hydergine and strong multi-vitamin with lots of Vitamin B and little Alpha tocopherol E (under 150IU)... I would think you would have those in a stack of 7.

The jury is still out on the ones I recommend and it is likely to change.

Pinball

[nootropi]

icarusfalling:

What is your budget?

[stellar]

I like aniracetam. I have piracetam too, but for some reason I prefer Aniracetam by itself. It's much more potent and I noticed it's effects right off the bat, whereas my improvement with Piracetam took longer.

I use it with Phosphatidylserine/Bacopa mix from Beyond-a-Century, and Huperzine/Vinpocetine mix from there too.
I take 1/5th tsp of Aniracetam (not sure what the dose is, Rizzer didn't put that info on the bottle!), 500mg Bacopa, 100mg Phosphatidylserine, 500mg B5, and 50mcg Huperzine, 10mg Vinpocetine and 500mg glutamine. Sometimes I add 90mg Idenbenone.






However, there is a problem with the PS/Bacopa mix....it tends to become "balled up" and compact (so much so that I have to take a knife to break it up). It is still useable.
I can't use my Alpha GPC anymore, it's in a silica base and it "melted". Nothing pisses me off more than to have a supplement go to waste!

[icarusfalling]

for budget it doesn't matter at the momment because i plan to just try a bunch but i don't want to be spending tons...i was considering spending $100 canadian funds on different stuff to try out but since i really only want the largest or most effective gains possible per suppliment and don't need every little boost there is out there im really not sure what to do

as for trying them out there must be a better way than buying a whole thing of one??

what i really want more than anything is bringing up information quicker and more detailed memory(preservation of memorys??).
what would help those?

i've already planned to get aniracetam(heard it was REALLY good rather than getting another tam) ALC(for protection is there anything else? or is this best for overall gains) and a choline(for basic brain building)

Edited by icarusfalling, 27 November 2004 - 12:45 PM.

[nootropi]

for budget it doesn't matter at the momment because i plan to just try a bunch but i don't want to be spending tons...i was considering spending $100 canadian funds on different stuff to try out but since i really only want the largest or most effective gains possible per suppliment and don't need every little boost there is out there im really not sure what to do

as for trying them out there must be a better way than buying a whole thing of one??

what i really want more than anything is bringing up information quicker and more detailed memory(preservation of memorys??).
what would help those?

i've already planned to get aniracetam(heard it was REALLY good rather than getting another tam) ALC(for protection is there anything else? or is this best for overall gains) and a choline(for basic brain building)

icarusfalling: please, allow me to only answer one of your many questions. As you may have seen, this forum has degenerated into a sales battlefield. I have used this fact to my advantage and convinced the owner of smi2le.biz, Rizzer, to allow this community to organize an imminst.org based quality control independent testing experiment. This will be taking place mid-December. Please disregard the organized chaos attempts by other competition to disgress into other topics. If other nootropic suppliers will let us orgainze independent testing of the respective companies' products, then we will consider their products. Until then, the other competitiors in the field have less to offer us.

So you are saying that you only have $100 US or Canadian?

That is not too much at all.

Here is my prescription for forming and preserving memory (and increasing energy to accomplish intellectual tasks effectively):

1. Hydergine FAS 4.5 mg daily with breakfast
2. 1000 mg (1 gram) Alpha GPC 50% twice daily, with breakfast and lunch.
3. 750 mg aniracetam twice daily, with breakfast and lunch.
4. 200 mg modafinil immediately after awakening, empty stomach.
5. 1000 mg inositol twice daily, with breakfast and lunch.
6. 500 mg KRALA three times daily, on empty stomach.
6. 800 mg ALCAR three times daily on empty stomach.

Edit: this stack will need to be taken for at least three months to see beneficial effects, which will be more pronounced after six months or one year.

From there, see this thread, it hits pretty much every possible note...

[kurdishfella]

 Too many nootropics will cause them more likely to overlap and could decrease the effects make it worse.

[EvaWhite]

Modafinil is by far the best nootropic. I get it from highstreetpharma and it's quite good. Caffeine with it is just awesome. I work 12+ hours.

Edited by EvaWhite, 26 July 2022 - 12:16 PM.