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[Justchill]

Hello guys,

I'm looking for healthy supplements/nootropics that could help me with my (social) anciety.

After like 10 years of drug abuse (weekly GBL, GHB, sometimes xtc), though not daily, and I was never addicted, I think that has caused those problems.

For instance, entering the mall with lots of people is a nightmare, my hands become sweaty and I don't dare to look at people. I really feel anxious. Talking to strangers is very difficult also. Well, all those sorts of things.

Are there any things that could help me?

best regards;

[Sciolaro]

You might start by trying five milligrams of lithium aspartate (or 120 mg of lithium orotate).
http://www.iherb.com...ules/18946?at=0
http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0


It's possible that you'd also benefit from tryptophan. 500 mg on an emptyish stomach before bed should elevate your serotonin and melatonin levels. There is some evidence that it should be taken with lysine, as lysine uses the same oxidative pathway (and is far cheaper).

Edited by Sciolaro, 07 March 2011 - 02:08 PM.

[Lufega]

There are a few post about this. Search the board. I found the most helpful to be selenium, manganese, lysine/arginine and magnesium.

[houstonguy76]

Check your private messages.

[J. Galt]

You might start by trying five milligrams of lithium aspartate (or 120 mg of lithium orotate).
http://www.iherb.com...ules/18946?at=0
http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0


It's possible that you'd also benefit from tryptophan. 500 mg on an emptyish stomach before bed should elevate your serotonin and melatonin levels. There is some evidence that it should be taken with lysine, as lysine uses the same oxidative pathway (and is far cheaper).

I just started experimenting with lithium for similar reasons and found both aspartate and orortate to offer similar benefits, though aspartate seems to be a bit more sedative. Also, since aspartic acid is potentially excitotoxic (not sure if this still applies to the lithium-bonded form), I feel generally safer sticking with LiOr for long-term use.

Picamillon is great for social anxiety (low doses only), but may be inadvisable for chronic daily use due to rapid tolerance issues.

Personally, the best supplement I've found anywhere for social anxiety is Man Sports' "Swagger." Absolutely fantastic stuff: stimulates, motivates, improves confidence and is powerfully anti-depressant, but all in a smooth non-wired way. Again, not good for daily use but perfectly fine in moderation. This stuff WORKS so well that I'm making an effortless $200 cash every month selling it to kids at my university as a legal party drug. They have sample packs at Mansports.com if want to evaluate it before buying a full bottle. Here's some info from the manufacturer's site:

N-Acetyl-Tyrosine - is the acetylated version of the amino acid tyrosine. The acetylated version is ore metabolically effective and stable. Tyrosine supplementation has been shown to increase alertness and mental arousal by increasing the production of catecholamines such as norepinephrine and dopamine.

Citicoline (CDP Choline) – is a physcostimulant/nootropic. Research indicates that citicoline improves brain function, memory and learning. It promotes brain metabolism and enhances the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is an essential intermediate for the synthesis of phosphatidylcholine, a major constituent of the grey matter of brain tissue (30%).

Phenylethylamine (PEA) - stimulates the neurotransmitters that regulate mood and focus. It is found naturally occurring in cocoa and is produced by the brain from the amino acid L-Phenylalanine. Studies have shown that depression and people with ADD or ADHD are lacking natural PEA. Supplementation with PEA has been shown to increase mood and energy.

Caffeine Malate – is a buffered form of caffeine where it is bound to malic acid. This form of caffeine is gentler on the stomach than regular caffeine, provides the same stimulatory effects and supports energy replenishment by way of malic acids effects on the kreb cycle.

DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) – is chemically similar to choline and works by increasing mental alertness and clarity.

Bacopa monniera - is an herb with numerous uses in ayurveda – a system of native medicine in India – amongst the beneficial properties include; treatments for asthma and epilepsy. Additionally it has antioxidant and antianxiety properties and has been shown to enhance cognition and improve learning.

Rhodiola Rosea - is an herb indigenous to arctic regions of eastern Siberia. It has been used for centuries throughout Europe and Asia as an energy booster. The herb is classified as an adaptogen and has been shown to fight depression, stimulate the nervous system, enhance work performance and decrease fatigue .

Picamilon – is a powerful new class of GABA derivatives that posses the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon research demonstrates its ability to reduce anxiety and increase focus/cognition.

GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) - is a compound found in geranium oil that possesses a powerful stimulatory effect on the central nervous system producing increased energy and mental clarity.

Yohimbine HCl - is an alkaloid found in the bark of yohimbe. It acts as both a stimulant and aphrodisiac.

B-6 - is a b-vitamin and co factor in many biochemical processes, including the metabolism of foods, neurotransmitters and hemoglobin.

SWAGGER ™ Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 3 Swagg-Caps
Servings Per Container 28
Amount Per Serving
N-Acetyl-Tyrosine 500mg
Citicoline (CDP Choline)250mg
Phenylethylamine (PEA) 250mg
Caffeine Malate 225mg
DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) 200mg
Bacopa monniera 100mg
Rhodiola Rosea 100mg
Picamilon 75mg
GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) 50mg
Yohimbine HCl 3mg
Vitamin B-6 20mg

SWAGGER ™ Other Ingredients:
Microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium sterate, FD & C BLUE#1, FD&C Red #40, titanium dioxide, gelatin

SWAGGER ™ Recommended Use:
As an adult dietary supplement take 3 SWAGG-Caps once daily, preferably with food. Individuals sensitive to stimulants may want to begin usage with 1-2 SWAGG-Caps to access tolerance.

[J. Galt]

You might start by trying five milligrams of lithium aspartate (or 120 mg of lithium orotate).
http://www.iherb.com...ules/18946?at=0
http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0


It's possible that you'd also benefit from tryptophan. 500 mg on an emptyish stomach before bed should elevate your serotonin and melatonin levels. There is some evidence that it should be taken with lysine, as lysine uses the same oxidative pathway (and is far cheaper).

I just started experimenting with lithium for similar reasons and found both aspartate and orortate to offer similar benefits, though aspartate seems to be a bit more sedative. Also, since aspartic acid is potentially excitotoxic (not sure if this still applies to the lithium-bonded form), I feel generally safer sticking with LiOr for long-term use.

Picamillon is great for social anxiety (low doses only), but may be inadvisable for chronic daily use due to rapid tolerance issues.

Personally, the best supplement I've found anywhere for social anxiety is Man Sports' "Swagger." Absolutely fantastic stuff: stimulates, motivates, improves confidence and is powerfully anti-depressant, but all in a smooth non-wired way. Again, not good for daily use but perfectly fine in moderation. This stuff WORKS so well that I'm making an effortless $200 cash every month selling it to kids at my university as a legal party drug. They have sample packs at Mansports.com if want to evaluate it before buying a full bottle. Here's some info from the manufacturer's site:

N-Acetyl-Tyrosine - is the acetylated version of the amino acid tyrosine. The acetylated version is ore metabolically effective and stable. Tyrosine supplementation has been shown to increase alertness and mental arousal by increasing the production of catecholamines such as norepinephrine and dopamine.

Citicoline (CDP Choline) – is a physcostimulant/nootropic. Research indicates that citicoline improves brain function, memory and learning. It promotes brain metabolism and enhances the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is an essential intermediate for the synthesis of phosphatidylcholine, a major constituent of the grey matter of brain tissue (30%).

Phenylethylamine (PEA) - stimulates the neurotransmitters that regulate mood and focus. It is found naturally occurring in cocoa and is produced by the brain from the amino acid L-Phenylalanine. Studies have shown that depression and people with ADD or ADHD are lacking natural PEA. Supplementation with PEA has been shown to increase mood and energy.

Caffeine Malate – is a buffered form of caffeine where it is bound to malic acid. This form of caffeine is gentler on the stomach than regular caffeine, provides the same stimulatory effects and supports energy replenishment by way of malic acids effects on the kreb cycle.

DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) – is chemically similar to choline and works by increasing mental alertness and clarity.

Bacopa monniera - is an herb with numerous uses in ayurveda – a system of native medicine in India – amongst the beneficial properties include; treatments for asthma and epilepsy. Additionally it has antioxidant and antianxiety properties and has been shown to enhance cognition and improve learning.

Rhodiola Rosea - is an herb indigenous to arctic regions of eastern Siberia. It has been used for centuries throughout Europe and Asia as an energy booster. The herb is classified as an adaptogen and has been shown to fight depression, stimulate the nervous system, enhance work performance and decrease fatigue .

Picamilon – is a powerful new class of GABA derivatives that posses the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon research demonstrates its ability to reduce anxiety and increase focus/cognition.

GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) - is a compound found in geranium oil that possesses a powerful stimulatory effect on the central nervous system producing increased energy and mental clarity.

Yohimbine HCl - is an alkaloid found in the bark of yohimbe. It acts as both a stimulant and aphrodisiac.

B-6 - is a b-vitamin and co factor in many biochemical processes, including the metabolism of foods, neurotransmitters and hemoglobin.

SWAGGER ™ Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 3 Swagg-Caps
Servings Per Container 28
Amount Per Serving
N-Acetyl-Tyrosine 500mg
Citicoline (CDP Choline)250mg
Phenylethylamine (PEA) 250mg
Caffeine Malate 225mg
DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) 200mg
Bacopa monniera 100mg
Rhodiola Rosea 100mg
Picamilon 75mg
GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) 50mg
Yohimbine HCl 3mg
Vitamin B-6 20mg

SWAGGER ™ Other Ingredients:
Microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium sterate, FD & C BLUE#1, FD&C Red #40, titanium dioxide, gelatin

SWAGGER ™ Recommended Use:
As an adult dietary supplement take 3 SWAGG-Caps once daily, preferably with food. Individuals sensitive to stimulants may want to begin usage with 1-2 SWAGG-Caps to access tolerance.

Single dose sample packs are only $.99 HERE.

[medievil]

If GHB helped you baclofen may be of benefit, not really a nootropic but i dont beleave they can be of much help for SA.

Memantine to reverse any possible permanent downregulation.

[wiredwrong]

Check your private messages.

could i get that private message too

[FadingGlow]

You might start by trying five milligrams of lithium aspartate (or 120 mg of lithium orotate).
http://www.iherb.com...ules/18946?at=0
http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0


It's possible that you'd also benefit from tryptophan. 500 mg on an emptyish stomach before bed should elevate your serotonin and melatonin levels. There is some evidence that it should be taken with lysine, as lysine uses the same oxidative pathway (and is far cheaper).

I just started experimenting with lithium for similar reasons and found both aspartate and orortate to offer similar benefits, though aspartate seems to be a bit more sedative. Also, since aspartic acid is potentially excitotoxic (not sure if this still applies to the lithium-bonded form), I feel generally safer sticking with LiOr for long-term use.

Picamillon is great for social anxiety (low doses only), but may be inadvisable for chronic daily use due to rapid tolerance issues.

Personally, the best supplement I've found anywhere for social anxiety is Man Sports' "Swagger." Absolutely fantastic stuff: stimulates, motivates, improves confidence and is powerfully anti-depressant, but all in a smooth non-wired way. Again, not good for daily use but perfectly fine in moderation. This stuff WORKS so well that I'm making an effortless $200 cash every month selling it to kids at my university as a legal party drug. They have sample packs at Mansports.com if want to evaluate it before buying a full bottle. Here's some info from the manufacturer's site:

N-Acetyl-Tyrosine - is the acetylated version of the amino acid tyrosine. The acetylated version is ore metabolically effective and stable. Tyrosine supplementation has been shown to increase alertness and mental arousal by increasing the production of catecholamines such as norepinephrine and dopamine.

Citicoline (CDP Choline) – is a physcostimulant/nootropic. Research indicates that citicoline improves brain function, memory and learning. It promotes brain metabolism and enhances the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is an essential intermediate for the synthesis of phosphatidylcholine, a major constituent of the grey matter of brain tissue (30%).

Phenylethylamine (PEA) - stimulates the neurotransmitters that regulate mood and focus. It is found naturally occurring in cocoa and is produced by the brain from the amino acid L-Phenylalanine. Studies have shown that depression and people with ADD or ADHD are lacking natural PEA. Supplementation with PEA has been shown to increase mood and energy.

Caffeine Malate – is a buffered form of caffeine where it is bound to malic acid. This form of caffeine is gentler on the stomach than regular caffeine, provides the same stimulatory effects and supports energy replenishment by way of malic acids effects on the kreb cycle.

DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) – is chemically similar to choline and works by increasing mental alertness and clarity.

Bacopa monniera - is an herb with numerous uses in ayurveda – a system of native medicine in India – amongst the beneficial properties include; treatments for asthma and epilepsy. Additionally it has antioxidant and antianxiety properties and has been shown to enhance cognition and improve learning.

Rhodiola Rosea - is an herb indigenous to arctic regions of eastern Siberia. It has been used for centuries throughout Europe and Asia as an energy booster. The herb is classified as an adaptogen and has been shown to fight depression, stimulate the nervous system, enhance work performance and decrease fatigue .

Picamilon – is a powerful new class of GABA derivatives that posses the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon research demonstrates its ability to reduce anxiety and increase focus/cognition.

GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) - is a compound found in geranium oil that possesses a powerful stimulatory effect on the central nervous system producing increased energy and mental clarity.

Yohimbine HCl - is an alkaloid found in the bark of yohimbe. It acts as both a stimulant and aphrodisiac.

B-6 - is a b-vitamin and co factor in many biochemical processes, including the metabolism of foods, neurotransmitters and hemoglobin.

SWAGGER ™ Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 3 Swagg-Caps
Servings Per Container 28
Amount Per Serving
N-Acetyl-Tyrosine 500mg
Citicoline (CDP Choline)250mg
Phenylethylamine (PEA) 250mg
Caffeine Malate 225mg
DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) 200mg
Bacopa monniera 100mg
Rhodiola Rosea 100mg
Picamilon 75mg
GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) 50mg
Yohimbine HCl 3mg
Vitamin B-6 20mg

SWAGGER ™ Other Ingredients:
Microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium sterate, FD & C BLUE#1, FD&C Red #40, titanium dioxide, gelatin

SWAGGER ™ Recommended Use:
As an adult dietary supplement take 3 SWAGG-Caps once daily, preferably with food. Individuals sensitive to stimulants may want to begin usage with 1-2 SWAGG-Caps to access tolerance.

I've seen you mention this 3times... Are you affiliated.

[Justchill]

I now take piracetam, and it works a bit anxiolytic, I have more confidence.. However, my brain feels like it's frying and I can't concentrate anymore on piracetam... very strange..

[J. Galt]

You might start by trying five milligrams of lithium aspartate (or 120 mg of lithium orotate).
http://www.iherb.com...ules/18946?at=0
http://www.iherb.com...lets/22628?at=0


It's possible that you'd also benefit from tryptophan. 500 mg on an emptyish stomach before bed should elevate your serotonin and melatonin levels. There is some evidence that it should be taken with lysine, as lysine uses the same oxidative pathway (and is far cheaper).

I just started experimenting with lithium for similar reasons and found both aspartate and orortate to offer similar benefits, though aspartate seems to be a bit more sedative. Also, since aspartic acid is potentially excitotoxic (not sure if this still applies to the lithium-bonded form), I feel generally safer sticking with LiOr for long-term use.

Picamillon is great for social anxiety (low doses only), but may be inadvisable for chronic daily use due to rapid tolerance issues.

Personally, the best supplement I've found anywhere for social anxiety is Man Sports' "Swagger." Absolutely fantastic stuff: stimulates, motivates, improves confidence and is powerfully anti-depressant, but all in a smooth non-wired way. Again, not good for daily use but perfectly fine in moderation. This stuff WORKS so well that I'm making an effortless $200 cash every month selling it to kids at my university as a legal party drug. They have sample packs at Mansports.com if want to evaluate it before buying a full bottle. Here's some info from the manufacturer's site:

N-Acetyl-Tyrosine - is the acetylated version of the amino acid tyrosine. The acetylated version is ore metabolically effective and stable. Tyrosine supplementation has been shown to increase alertness and mental arousal by increasing the production of catecholamines such as norepinephrine and dopamine.

Citicoline (CDP Choline) – is a physcostimulant/nootropic. Research indicates that citicoline improves brain function, memory and learning. It promotes brain metabolism and enhances the production of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. It is an essential intermediate for the synthesis of phosphatidylcholine, a major constituent of the grey matter of brain tissue (30%).

Phenylethylamine (PEA) - stimulates the neurotransmitters that regulate mood and focus. It is found naturally occurring in cocoa and is produced by the brain from the amino acid L-Phenylalanine. Studies have shown that depression and people with ADD or ADHD are lacking natural PEA. Supplementation with PEA has been shown to increase mood and energy.

Caffeine Malate – is a buffered form of caffeine where it is bound to malic acid. This form of caffeine is gentler on the stomach than regular caffeine, provides the same stimulatory effects and supports energy replenishment by way of malic acids effects on the kreb cycle.

DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) – is chemically similar to choline and works by increasing mental alertness and clarity.

Bacopa monniera - is an herb with numerous uses in ayurveda – a system of native medicine in India – amongst the beneficial properties include; treatments for asthma and epilepsy. Additionally it has antioxidant and antianxiety properties and has been shown to enhance cognition and improve learning.

Rhodiola Rosea - is an herb indigenous to arctic regions of eastern Siberia. It has been used for centuries throughout Europe and Asia as an energy booster. The herb is classified as an adaptogen and has been shown to fight depression, stimulate the nervous system, enhance work performance and decrease fatigue .

Picamilon – is a powerful new class of GABA derivatives that posses the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon research demonstrates its ability to reduce anxiety and increase focus/cognition.

GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) - is a compound found in geranium oil that possesses a powerful stimulatory effect on the central nervous system producing increased energy and mental clarity.

Yohimbine HCl - is an alkaloid found in the bark of yohimbe. It acts as both a stimulant and aphrodisiac.

B-6 - is a b-vitamin and co factor in many biochemical processes, including the metabolism of foods, neurotransmitters and hemoglobin.

SWAGGER ™ Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 3 Swagg-Caps
Servings Per Container 28
Amount Per Serving
N-Acetyl-Tyrosine 500mg
Citicoline (CDP Choline)250mg
Phenylethylamine (PEA) 250mg
Caffeine Malate 225mg
DMAE (dimethyl-amino-ethanol) 200mg
Bacopa monniera 100mg
Rhodiola Rosea 100mg
Picamilon 75mg
GeranatimTM (1,3-dimethylamylamine) 50mg
Yohimbine HCl 3mg
Vitamin B-6 20mg

SWAGGER ™ Other Ingredients:
Microcrystalline cellulose, magnesium sterate, FD & C BLUE#1, FD&C Red #40, titanium dioxide, gelatin

SWAGGER ™ Recommended Use:
As an adult dietary supplement take 3 SWAGG-Caps once daily, preferably with food. Individuals sensitive to stimulants may want to begin usage with 1-2 SWAGG-Caps to access tolerance.

Single dose sample packs are only $.99 HERE.

Wow. I just re-read this and realized that it sounded Li,e a bad infomercial. This is what working in sales does to a person. I just can't turn it off.

My apologies.

*sigh*

[houstonguy76]

Check your private messages.

could i get that private message too

I may as well state it here for everyone's benefit. I simply suggested Lexapro. It's technically an anti-depressant as many of you know but it's widely prescribed to treat social anxiety. I can attest that it knocks out at least 90% of the anxiety.

[DbCooper]

2 grams per day of L-Glycine (very cheap and sweet tasting), and a hot bath with a cup of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) every night.


This takes care of all Georgia Home Boy related anxiety.

Thank me in a week....

Edited by DbCooper, 22 March 2011 - 12:53 AM.

[rwac]

I now take piracetam, and it works a bit anxiolytic, I have more confidence.. However, my brain feels like it's frying and I can't concentrate anymore on piracetam... very strange..

Sounds like you need more choline.

[Justchill]

Hmm, I allready did 600mg of choline citrate and that didn't help..

[rwac]

Hmm, I allready did 600mg of choline citrate and that didn't help..

You could try fancier versions to see if they help. Bitartrate, Alpha-GPC, CDP-choline. Or ALCAR ...

If nothing helps, piracetam might not be right for you. For instance it makes me angry for some reason.

[csrpj]

Check your private messages.

could i get that private message too

I may as well state it here for everyone's benefit. I simply suggested Lexapro. It's technically an anti-depressant as many of you know but it's widely prescribed to treat social anxiety. I can attest that it knocks out at least 90% of the anxiety.

how are side effects for you, and what dosage are you taking? in any case, a 90% knock-out of anxiety is awesome.

after unsuccessfully micromanaging various supplements, herbs, and nootropics, i decided to give pharmaceutics a try. i just started prozac for anxiety and other things, but it's too early to tell. the only reason why i chose it over lexapro is b/c two of my immediate family members had good success with it, so given that i figured it would be more likely to work for me than lexapro.

Edited by csrpj, 22 March 2011 - 10:25 AM.

[houstonguy76]

I take 10mg of Lexapro daily but I know 20mg is quite common for those who take it. Note that side effects are not the same for everyone but I tend to have an increase in appetite (some report the opposite) and a certain degree of apathy (it is an anxiolytic, after all). I also cannot focus quite as well but it's manageable.

The side effects are definitely worth it for me given that I can be "normal" now. I haven't tried Prozac but I hope it does the job for ya. If not, give Lexapro a shot. By the way, 90% is no exaggeration...

Edited by houstonguy76, 22 March 2011 - 03:46 PM.

[Steve_86]

If GHB helped you baclofen may be of benefit, not really a nootropic but i dont beleave they can be of much help for SA.

Memantine to reverse any possible permanent downregulation.

What daily dose of memantine would be most effective and how long do you think it would need to be used for?

[medievil]

If GHB helped you baclofen may be of benefit, not really a nootropic but i dont beleave they can be of much help for SA.

Memantine to reverse any possible permanent downregulation.

What daily dose of memantine would be most effective and how long do you think it would need to be used for?

40mg a day as long your taking the stuff that builds tolerance.