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#1 nootropi

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 07:49 PM


Hello everybody!

I will no longer be posting here; that is, unless I recieve an EXPLICIT invitation to return. I am disgusted with the comments of Lazarus Long, and no longer wish to post here.

From now on, dear Reader, you will have to visit my forums if you seek my counsel. I will provide free advise, medical literature with citation, and very soon a full fledged Life Extension/Nootropic/Body Building line of dietary supplements.

Here is the link to my forum.

This is the temporary URL

Take care, and best wishes.

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 07:57 PM

Lazarus Long, I am going to, over the next few days, delete then move every one of my posts in this forum to my forum. So give me some time to finish moving; I will be out of your way soon enough so you can resume your "normal" activities here.

Take care. [thumb]

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#3 Lazarus Long

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 08:12 PM

If you really believe what you're saying about wanting to help people you would leave what you have done and simply copy it to your site.

But it's your *ball and bat* so if you don't want to play, so be it.

The links will remain too. We are uninterested in censoring you.

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 08:24 PM

If you really believe what you're saying about wanting to help people you would leave what you have done and simply copy it to your site.

But it's your *ball and bat* so if you don't want to play, so be it.

The links will remain too.  We are uninterested in censoring you.


If I...is based on what premises?

More people have critical things to say about me than positive; therefore, I should leave this forum in the control of those whom are perpetually complaining. That way, everybody is happy. I leave, but I take with me everything I said here; because I meant it. If people want me banned, I should leave. I will create another, alternative source for the service I provide at my own forum. Let now everybody complain about me without my presence; I wouldn't want to disturb you.

Based on the premise that a man is in his action, I take my actions. Based on the premise that I always back up my words with works, I take my words with me too.

Farewell; you might see me aroud, "cleaning up" my mess for the next couple of days. I see you want to keep the majority happy, so let me clean up in peace.

Best wishes for the future.

edit: after I transfer all of my posts, I will delete them; except for a few links to my forum. I wouldn't want to anger the majority with remnants of my words, works, actions, or deeds. This forum is now in the hands of the masses.

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 08:43 PM

Nootropi,

I have never commented on some of your more negative posts as I felt the positive contribution you made to ImmInst was worth overlooking them. I believe many of your posts have value and sharing the information with others in as many forms as possible supports a goal larger than anyone's ego... but perhaps not yours.

If you can't see how your behavior seeks to punish a few to the detriment of many than I fail to see how you think you might avoid the same negativity from following you wherever you go. If you must leave and take the information which might benefit others in a fit of pique than you merely verify your detractors position and opinion of your character. I hope you reconsider your decisions carefully before following through on them.

Be that as it may, I wish you the best of luck in continuing on a path of health and longevity.

Kevin

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 10:44 PM

Nootropi,

I have never commented on some of your more negative posts as I felt the positive contribution you made to ImmInst was worth overlooking them.  I believe many of your posts have value and sharing the information with others in as many forms as possible supports a goal larger than anyone's ego... but perhaps not yours. 

If you can't see how your behavior seeks to punish a few to the detriment of many than I fail to see how you think you might avoid the same negativity from following you wherever you go.  If you must leave and take the information which might benefit others in a fit of pique than you merely verify your detractors position and opinion of your character.  I hope you reconsider your decisions carefully before following through on them.

Be that as it may, I wish you the best of luck in continuing on a path of health and longevity.

Kevin


First, I never would consider the fate of my detrators in my decision making process. Second, I have no problem with anybody's negativity. It is not me who proposed that I change my ways. I will not change my ways; when I see ignorance I will identify it.

I have quantified my words with actions. Thus I can say whatever I like to my detractors. Some here have tried to censor me. I will not be censored; at my forum any fool can approach and speak whatever nonsense they please. I have never had a problem dismissing foolishness. However, it even bothers good people here, therefore and thus, I must leave and take my words, works, actions, and deeds with me.

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"The man who gets angry at the right things and with the right people, and in the right way and at the right time and for the right length of time, is commended."
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"For the things we have to learn before we can do them, we learn by doing them."
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"Man is by nature a political animal."
[Politics, bk. 1, ch. 2]

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#7 Trias

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 11:23 PM

Nootropi,

I do not know and understand what you did to make some community members SO angry,
But on the other hand - - your academic contribution to the community is overwhelming and virtually peerless.
I myself, must admit to be drawn into your posts - - very relevant and substential. I've learnt a lot from you, it would be sad to see you leave!
Second, I reckon I'm NOT the only one who thinks so. I bet there are numerous new users, coming to this forum and learning a lot - - aside from your apparent quarrels with other members - they cherish the information you give here, for it is priceless - - and I truly support and appreciate your research & efforts!

Is there no possible way to iron out the difficulties between you, Stellar and Brooklyn ?
There must be a way.
I've went through your posts - - each flaming each other with this Ape-shit - what is this?
Tabula Rasa is the key... [thumb] (Long live John Locke, yes)
Start a new page, no more flaming. Each should keep his own destructive criticism to himself (like when you, Nootropi - talks of Brooklyn's business, or when you - Stellar call Nootrpic posts SPAM[which are absolutely not- since they are relevant to our cause, helpful, and fiducial]) - start a new page!
Nootropi - - stay! for you are much needed here. What's the solution? -try and compromise - I know you LOVE being appreciated, getting attention and being recognized for your intelligence - - everybody does! but notice how members of this forum don't like: criticism of other members doings, large fonts/colors, links to other sites, flaming etc'. You must be considerate.
Why not grant them their wishes?- No destructive/flaming criticism, no large fonts/colors, no external links to your forum[instead you can post the articles here], and no flaming - well, being truly wise means keeping to yourself sometimes - - if someone calls you an ape, does that mean you are? - by responding to him, you grant him the satisfaction and attention he was looking for. Maturity means forbearance; I bet you're intelligent enough to embrace it upon yourself, hell - I bet all of you gus are capable of doing so! all need to embrace a little dose of tolerance before going any further from this point.
This message naturally does not refer to Nootropi only,
Stellar - - I bet your signature does not help restoring peach and quiet, nor does your constant claiming "Stop the spam!" to each and every Nootropi message, nor your sarcasm and the feelings of scorn in your messages when Nootropi is mentioned - this would have deeply insulted me if I were in Nootropi's place. Please cease.
Nootropi - - Stop replying to every flame with "dripping sarcasm", by doing so - you merely provoke the others to continue their assault in you - only for the sake of your ego. This is not right, you should ignore - - and you shall see that very soon this all matter will be forgotten - but as for now, when 'collaborating with your persecutors' - you merely put more fuel to the fire. Be the mature one, start respecting (even minimally) the requirements of this community, and stop answer flames - let them vanish.
All of you, who are brothers to the quarrel - - are responisble for making a change. Banishment and/or relinquishment are not the answers to this matter.

Forgiveness is.

~Daniel

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 12:21 AM

Thank god, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Nootropi simply isn't the valuable poster he believes himself to be. He doesn't provide any useful insight to these substances, he just reads a study and simply stacks a bunch of things together which IMO are hurting him more than helping (ie his old stack had 3 frigging ergot derivatives, 3 'racetams, and so on). It explains his high affinity toward irritability. He is an ego maniac and wants to be the center of attention at all times (whether he realizes it or not). Posters like Lynx, Ergoman500, Section8, Dopamine, BrooklynJuice (and a few others I'm forgetting ATM) are the ones I like to read.....they provide insight above and beyond just cutting and pasting abstracts.

I actually feel very sorry for Nootropi, he seems like a lonely individual who's only social outlet is these Nootropic messageboards. His messages show he is delusional, and again I believe his Nootropic "stack" (more like pile) is part of his problem.

I think the majority of posters, who a month or two ago weren't as vehemetly opposed to Nootropi's presence as other veteran posters, have ultimately changed positions. Some, including myself defended him. But there was a breaking point, and it became clear that this individual's motivations weren't pure (ie the disingenuous "concern" over purity). On top of that, the continual spamming of these forums with lnks to his own forum put me over the top. I think in a sense he could tell that public opinion was shifting away from him being beneficial to being detrimental, perhaps thats why he setup his own forum and used those spam posts to drive up traffic......

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 12:57 AM

Nootropi,

I do not know and understand what you did to make some community members SO angry,
But on the other hand - - your academic contribution to the community is overwhelming and virtually peerless.
I myself, must admit to be drawn into your posts - - very relevant and substential. I've learnt a lot from you, it would be sad to see you leave!
Second, I reckon I'm NOT the only one who thinks so. I bet there are numerous new users, coming to this forum and learning a lot - - aside from your apparent quarrels with other members - they cherish the information you give here, for it is priceless - - and I truly support and appreciate your research & efforts!

Is there no possible way to iron out the difficulties between you, Stellar and Brooklyn ?
There must be a way.
I've went through your posts - - each flaming each other with this Ape-shit - what is this?
Tabula Rasa is the key...  [thumb]  (Long live John Locke, yes)
Start a new page, no more flaming. Each should keep his own destructive criticism to himself (like when you, Nootropi - talks of Brooklyn's business, or when you - Stellar call Nootrpic posts SPAM[which are absolutely not- since they are relevant to our cause, helpful, and fiducial]) - start a new page!
Nootropi - - stay! for you are much needed here. What's the solution? -try and compromise - I know you LOVE being appreciated, getting attention and being recognized for your intelligence - - everybody does! but notice how members of this forum don't like: criticism of other members doings, large fonts/colors, links to other sites, flaming etc'. You must be considerate.
Why not grant them their wishes?- No destructive/flaming criticism, no large fonts/colors, no external links to your forum[instead you can post the articles here], and no flaming - well, being truly wise means keeping to yourself sometimes - - if someone calls you an ape, does that mean you are? - by responding to him, you grant him the satisfaction and attention he was looking for. Maturity means forbearance; I bet you're intelligent enough to embrace it upon yourself, hell - I bet all of you gus are capable of doing so! all need to embrace a little dose of tolerance before going any further from this point.
This message naturally does not refer to Nootropi only,
Stellar - - I bet your signature does not help restoring peach and quiet, nor does your constant claiming "Stop the spam!" to each and every Nootropi message, nor your sarcasm and the feelings of scorn in your messages when Nootropi is mentioned - this would have deeply insulted me if I were in Nootropi's place. Please cease.
Nootropi - - Stop replying to every flame with "dripping sarcasm", by doing so - you merely provoke the others to continue their assault in you - only for the sake of your ego. This is not right, you should ignore - - and you shall see that very soon this all matter will be forgotten - but as for now, when 'collaborating with your persecutors' - you merely put more fuel to the fire. Be the mature one, start respecting (even minimally) the requirements of this community, and stop answer flames - let them vanish.
All of you, who are brothers to the quarrel - - are responisble for making a change. Banishment and/or relinquishment are not the answers to this matter.

Forgiveness is.

~Daniel


Well you see, Daniel, the problem is that the leaders of this forum allow a vast amount of ignorant members to post nonsense [such as posts by stellar (whom apparently has a nootropi obsession, she really needs a life! Eg,. She can't decide who she wants to be ;).I find it flattering when people on the Internet dislike me to the level where they take me on as their personal obsession. You see that is one of the advantages, I guess, of allowing any human being on the Internet to join in this discussion. It allows me to pursue my issues with more weight; as even when the ignorant watch you and interact with you; and you continually identify them as they are: that is, ignorant; the intelligent watch even closer; but the difference is that we know the difference)], yet they won't allow me to disabuse the ignorant of their disease. That is why I must leave. The leaders here advocate ignorance by forbidding it to be so identified.

Look at what stellar has brought herself to: making art of hatred. And the leaders here permit this activity, yet I am not allowed to dismiss it.

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You will just have to come to my forum if you want to interact with me. You are welcome, of course, Daniel. You can trust there will be ONLY fact based discussion, with a zero ignorance policy.

Best wishes. :)

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 01:19 AM

Nootropi, please make good on your promise to voluntarily leave. It makes no sense to make the dramatic "announcement" and then continue to draw it out by posting.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 01:27 AM

Nootropi, please make good on your promise to voluntarily leave.  It makes no sense to make the dramatic "announcement" and then continue to draw it out by posting.


This is my farewell thread, you fool!

You are an ignoramous and among the top reasons I am leaving this forum is due to the fact that I have to continually tolerate fools such as yourself. You must really have an interesting life to find it in your schedule to sit around and come up with artistic designs such as that in your signature. I was thinking of hiring you to compile medical data for my website; but due to your recent conduct that is completely out of the question.

Good luck.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 01:40 AM

I haven't read any of the nonsense above, I just read the title & first lines to surmise the intention of Nootropi leaving...

I'm not sure if I'm part of a silence majority, but, as I said before Nootropi is an asset here.... of course anyone seeking advice should exercise a prudent judgement.

Nootropi leaves honest comments that we can benefit from... he has been a precursor in trying new stuff & giving feedback that we benefit from w/o the risks of being first in trying...

Anyway, ignoring an occasional coarse vituperation or harsh language is probably better than censoring... besides, Nootropi has evolved very much, for the positive, in the last several months (I started reading a long time ago before I became member)

Take care

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 01:44 AM

Folks, he's not leaving. This seems like just a stunt to get more attention.....I hope that it isn't. Again, he's being his usual disingenuous self by claiming in his inital post that he's leaving and now claiming that this is his "farewell thread" (giving him the license to continue in this forum).


I challenge you to actually leave, AdamP2P/Nootropi. Please prove to us that you aren't all talk.....

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 01:52 AM

Hey guys isn't it hilarious that all of these "posters" with very few posts are curiously offering their support for Nootropi?


Just as Nootropi did before with the critics of Smi2le.biz who had limited posts, I am dismissing these "posters" who offer their support for him. Using his past logic, he should do the same....but somehow I doubt he'll do that ;)

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 02:46 AM

I haven't read any of the nonsense above, I just read the title & first lines to surmise the intention of Nootropi leaving...

I'm not sure if I'm part of a silence majority, but, as I said before Nootropi is an asset here.... of course anyone seeking advice should exercise a prudent judgement.

Nootropi leaves honest comments that we can benefit from... he has been a precursor in trying new stuff & giving feedback that we benefit from w/o the risks of being first in trying...


Nootropi has stated openly that:

1) He is using well over 40 different chemical substances per day, some of which are potent psychopharmaceuticals
2) He was addicted to MDMA, crystal methamphetamine, and crack cocaine for several years, and
3) Is a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic

Using his anecdotal feedback to help decide whether or not you will try something is the antithesis of prudent judgement.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 02:55 AM

Section 8-

1) He is using well over 40 different chemical substances per day, some of which are potent psychopharmaceuticals
2) He was addicted to MDMA, crystal methamphetamine, and crack cocaine for several years, and
3) Is a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic


Can you substantiate this with citations please?

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:03 AM

Nootropi has stated openly that:

1) He is using well over 40 different chemical substances per day, some of which are potent psychopharmaceuticals
2) He was addicted to MDMA, crystal methamphetamine, and crack cocaine for several years, and
3) Is a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic

Using his anecdotal feedback to help decide whether or not you will try something is the antithesis of prudent judgement.


Thank you for your complements. Can anybody believe how kind this discussion is (not only that; perform a search on section8's posts and you judge if they have genuinely added any bit of value to the topic under which this forum is named)? Well this is a preview of more of what is to come here to this forum. Luckily, I already declared earlier in this thread that I must leave due to the ignorance tolerated in this forum. But due to the fact that I am free here to identify ignorance as I please, I certainly will. What is an excellent example of ignorance? Foolish judgements as so eloquently articulated by secion8. His reasoning is perhaps the epitome of ignorance. How so? Well here you have somebody saying this:

1) Nootropi takes a lot of smart drugs [maybe more than even 40] (or nootropics), life-extension supplements, and antioxidants; therefore...he must be stupid. That makes a lot of sense. How can he afford it?
2) He overcame what is for most people an impossible addiction to overcome, and found his own solutions in pharmacolgy, and shares them here regularly. He must be a bad person for it.
3) He may have been diagnosed with x and point a, therefore y at point b. Thus he definately is z at point c. Definately z at point c...because of x, a, y, or b.

Now this is a true fool. More to come, I assure you.

Keep commenting, stellar and section8, bring some more of your friends and more of your abtruse reasoning. Such foolishness only makes me look better and you all the more desperate. Thank you for highlighting my several accomplishments. ;)

Take care.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:23 AM

  Can anybody believe how kind this discussion is (not only that; perform a search on section8's posts and you judge if they have genuinely added any bit of value to the topic under which this forum is named)?



As I stated before, Nootropi is not planning on leaving. He is using this situation because all of his other attention getting devices have been exhausted.

Section 8 is a valuable poster/moderator on the Avant forums (of which you have been banned, Nootropi).

I have cut and pasted his post from this thread:

http://www.imminst.o...37&t=5188&st=20





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For those who don't know me, I am Section 8. I moderate a sub forum at Avant Labs, and I contribute to their online magazine. I am not financially compensated for any of my involvements with the company. That said...

The distinction between individual / community is purely pragmatic. There is a political dimension to every action. There is no epistemological chasm separating the rational from the political. Adam was banned at AL for violating the board TOS. He broke the law of the land and was expelled for it; it is in that sense, and in that sense only, that the reason for banning him could be said to be "political." Those actions included, but by no means were limited to:

1) Unlawfully posting copyrighted information, on repeated occasions. He was warned to cease such postings, yet the activities did not cease. Avant could be held liable for that by the copyright holders. He does the same thing here; he even edited some of his violative posts, removing the offending information, and replacing it with links to the SAME content that he had unlawfully posted here.

2) Proferring medical advice without the proper qualifications. He was warned about this repeatedly, yet did not stop.

3) Proferring poorly thought out and potentially dangerous supplement regimens. This one sort of took care of itself; AL is a very science-minded community, and so very few members ever took his recommendations seriously. Nonetheless, some did, and I had to spend two hours one night debunking his entire scheme. There is also the issue that, though the AL community as such is very science minded, not everyone else is. As was mentioned above, many people who post in the CC forum aren't even aware that it is part of a larger site; they found their way there via google, or some other means. We take the content of our site very seriously, and I shudder to think of what some poor soul who is just searching the web for some advice might do to himself if he were to stumble across Adam's posts. None of us want that on our shoulders.

If you are in need of a rather egregious example of 2 and 3, just check out his thread: Suggestions for those with large budgets http://www.imminst.o...romocriptine&s=

Hydergine, bromocriptine, deprenyl, aricept, &c. ?!? I can't put into words the anger and disbelief that I felt when I read those recommendations. For a person with normal neurological functioning, that's a recipe for instant psychosis. If that is what some consider to be good content, then they have probably just taken too much of Adam's advice.

4) Making wholly unsubstantiated and libelous claims about both individuals and companies.

5) Inappropriate conduct. He was warned by several moderators about this, repeatedly. In one such instance, he actually had the nerve to respond to the head of Avant Research's request that he cease and desist with the comment that he would not do so, on account of his feeling that his flamboyant posting habits were "necessary to get [his] point across," and that anyone who did not feel compelled to conduct themselves in such a manner simply lacked "character."

The list goes on, and on, and on.

I just signed onto this board, and agreed to the ImmInst TOS. In the process, I acknowledged this statement:

"ImmInst has a zero tolerance policy for any individual or group which tries to disrupt the usual flow of information in the ImmInst forums or chat room."

I think it's been well-established at this point that the majority of members here feel that Adam is the living embodiment of the hypothetical individual described in this statement. For those who feel that he contributes useful information, I am compelled to point out that 1) the vast majority of what he posts can be found in seconds with a simple pubmed search, 2) some of the "academic" information that he brings to the table he does so unlawfully, and 3) in almost every instance I have ever seen of him actually interpreting the results of studies, the inferences he has derived are flawed at best and outright dangerous at worst.

If the administrators of this site felt and continue to feel that it is Adam's "right" to utilize this forum as a medium for disseminating hazardous information to the population at large, then that is their prerogative. It is not the prerogative of the community over at AL. That is really all there is to the situation.
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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:35 AM

Is that all you have to share stellar? Thank you for obsessing about me! I feel honored that you devote so much time and energy to my presence. Please continue to do so. It makes me feel special. ;)

Well, sorry to cut the chit-chat discourse, but I am leaving now to go see a movie at the local theatre. The Merchant of Venice.

Have a good night everybody!

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:41 AM

Section 8-

1) He is using well over 40 different chemical substances per day, some of which are potent psychopharmaceuticals
2) He was addicted to MDMA, crystal methamphetamine, and crack cocaine for several years, and
3) Is a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic


Can you substantiate this with citations please?



I couldn't find the crystal meth post, but wouldnt doubt that he used it based on his admissions of using MDMA and cocaine

http://forum.avantla...ter&f=41&t=9526
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adamp2p @ Jun 21 2004, 08:26 AM)
Hmm...Dave, this makes me really wonder about you, seriously.

Have you ever taken this MDMA before? When I was younger (about 19-22), I injested MDMA quite frequently. It does not take a genius to figure out that MDMA is NOT beneficial for the mammalian brain; we DO NOT need to examine pubmed data.


We are talking about a very powerful mind altering drug. I remember quite clearly that myself and several of my friends would suffer for days, if not weeks, after the injestion of MDMA. Mood disurbances, mental instability, and depression are states that would persist after a single 200-300 mg dose. And I had pure MDMA 90% of the time. I would buy ounces for $2800 and sell it to several people for profit.
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Posted by: adamp2p Jun 23 2004, 06:23 AM
I strongly disagree. I have used cocaine and alcohol several times at very high doses (even 3.5 grams of cocaine) and recovered quite well by the following day.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:53 AM

Yes, I used to abuse cocaine, crack, and crystal meth too! I was a musician from about 14 to 23; when I gave up music and illicit drugs. I was pretty close to becoming a successful musician (i.e. even making money, too). Can you believe I made it through okay?

Note: the current president of the United States is a former (admitted!) cocaine user; further, he was caught drunk driving.
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So your comments really don't mean anything other than I have overcome and survived through a lot, and found my own solutions in pharmacology for whatever damage I did to myself. Anything I accomplish is far more than anybody thought that I could, so once again, thank you for your complements. It crosses my mind that you are unaware that the general population has great respect for underdogs and come-backs, so thank you for bringing my accomplishments into the public eye. Luckily, I didn't "knock up" any young women along the way (I had 5 steady mostly 'private school' girlfriends, that's it), so I don't have any children (or even STDs); so you internet obsessive young women after me can continue your chase. [thumb]

Well, I need to get going to my movie, it starts at 8:30pm.

Take care. ;)

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 03:56 AM

Nootropi has stated openly that:

1) He is using well over 40 different chemical substances per day, some of which are potent psychopharmaceuticals
2) He was addicted to MDMA, crystal methamphetamine, and crack cocaine for several years, and
3) Is a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic

Using his anecdotal feedback to help decide whether or not you will try something is the antithesis of prudent judgement.


Thank you for your complements. Can anybody believe how kind this discussion is? Well this is a preview of more of what is to come here to this forum. Luckily, I already declared earlier in this thread that I must leave due to the ignorance tolerated in this forum. But due to the fact that I am free here to identify ignorance as I please, I certainly will. What is an excellent example of ignorance? Foolish judgements as so eloquently articulated by secion8. His reasoning is perhaps the epitome of ignorance. How so? Well here you have somebody saying this:

1) Nootropi takes a lot of smart drugs (or nootropics), life-extension supplements, and antioxidants; therefore...he must be stupid. That makes a lot of sense.
2) He overcame what is for most people an impossible addiction to overcome, and found his own solutions in pharmacolgy, and shares them here regularly. He must be a bad person.
3) He may have been diagnosed with x and point a, therefore y at point b. Thus he definately is z at point c. Sure.

Now this is a true fool. More to come, I assure you.


You're accusing *me* of abstruse reasoning?!? Please.

1) Too many confounding variables to make anecdotal feedback on any one substance valuable.
2) AFAIK, the majority of people here do not suffer from the sort of brain damage manifest of several years of heavy drug abuse; hence, it is unreasonable to extrapolate that they will have experiences with any given substance that are similar to your own.
3) The neurological idiosyncrasies associated with schizophrenia are profound to such an extent that it is unreasonable to use data gleaned from that cohort to draw inferences about the non-idiosyncratic population.

Don't bother trying to debunk those assertions as "foolish" or as being "based on ignorance." You have absolutely no ground to stand upon here.

Also, you are a liar.

1)  Nootropi takes a lot of smart drugs (or nootropics), life-extension supplements, and antioxidants; therefore...he must be stupid.  That makes a lot of sense.


Of course that doesn't make sense; I didn't say it, you did. Only in your delusional little schizophrenic weltanschaaung did I say anything of the sort. So that is one lie.

2)  He overcame what is for most people an impossible addiction to overcome, and found his own solutions in pharmacolgy, and shares them here regularly.  He must be a bad person.


I didn't make a normative statement about your person as such. I inferred that data gleaned from the experiences of people in your position should not be used by people who are not in similar situations to make decisions about what substances to use for what application. So that is another lie.

3)  He may have been diagnosed with x and point a, therefore y at point b.  Thus he definately is z at point c.  Sure.


I didn't say that. That is lie number three for you.

You've explicitly lied three times, and in only one post. Have some self-respect.

Can you substantiate this with citations please?


I had a link to this posted, before I tried to edit the thread and my browser messed up the post. I'm too lazy to dig up the link again, just do a search over at AL if you don't believe me.

Anyhow, I've added bold emphasis to everything on this list that is a psychopharmaceutical. There are 36 substances on that list that he was able to "think of off the top of [his] head." The 40 number was from some comment he made in some other thread; again, I'm too lazy to look it up.

Right now I take (all in mg or gram as stated)

Strattera: 60 am 25 pm
Wellbutrin XL: 150 am 150 pm
Aricept: 5 am
Idebenone: 45 am 55 pm
sulbutiamine 200 mg 3 X daily
Aniracetam: 750 am 700 pm
Oxiracetam 700 am 700 pm
CDP Choline: 250 mg am
Piracetam: 1600 am 800 pm
pramiracetam 300 mg am
Centrophexine: 125 am 125 pm
Hydergine: 4.5 mg am FAS
Nicergoline 5 mg am
Bromcriptine 1.25 mg am 1.25 mg pm
Adrafinil/Modafinil (depending on the day) either 300 adrafinil/100 modafinil, or 600 adrafinil
Vinpocetine: 10 mg am
Pyritinol: 200 am 200 pm
R-ALA: 300 mg 3X daily
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 1 gram 3X daily
Picamillon: 100 am 100 pm
Men's one a day
60 mg 24% ginko biloba
~5 grams a day Bacopa
~5 grams a day ashwaghanda
800 mg chocamine 3 X daily
l-theanine at least 100 mg 2X daily
1.5 g phenibut if I am hanging out with hot chicks
Vitamin B complex "50"
Ginseng 100 mg am
833% vitamin C supplement
appx 1.5 g fish DHA/EPA
Seroquel bedtime 600-700 mg. (best sleeping drug)
lithobid lithium 300 mg 2 X daily
100 mg coQ10 every other day
Biotin 100% us rda supplement
inositol 500 mg

That's what I can think of off the top of my head...it's pretty expensive, but I keep my mind really busy all day, no headaches..

Take care,

Adam


That makes a lot of sense. How can he afford it?


How should I know?


EDIT: the rest has been removed for aesthetic purposes, since Adam just admitted it above anyways.

Edited by section_8, 31 January 2005 - 04:13 AM.


#23 section_8

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:21 AM

BTW, fwiw, I'm not doing this just to be an ass. It just bothers me to see someone making medical recommendations on the basis of his own anecdotal experiences. Since no one else ever bothered to bring it up, I feel compelled to point out the idiosyncrasies of the individual in question, as it certainly seems to be the case that some do take his advice seriously.

Just so that people don't get the impression that I signed on just to be a malicious prick...

#24 stellar

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:24 AM

Look at what stellar has brought herself to: making art of hatred.  And the leaders here permit this activity, yet I am not allowed to dismiss it.



Unfortunately, Nootropi likes to play the victim when confronted. He is claiming that I am "making art of hatred". However, he doesn't mention his threads against BrooklynJuice, one here and one at avant which show pictures that liken him to an Ape/Orangutang: http://forum.avantla...ST&f=41&t=14883
Isn't that "art of hatred"? I guess it could be spun in such a way.......


While we're at it I guess I should have a little fun, I hope you enjoy my "art of hatred"

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#25 stellar

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:30 AM

Again.....I challenge you to actually leave for good, AdamP2P/Nootropi, as you promised. Please prove to us that you aren't all talk.....

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:36 AM

if you are going to reference any post of nootropi's please quote it. He is deleting his posts. the one you referenced above is now gone

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#27 kevin

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 04:37 AM

This thread is now closed..

Fair warning to those who persist in demonstrating a level of discourse unbefitting grade school children.

Kevin




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