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[scottl]

This is only a prelinary report (and the combo is not cheap) but forget Pram, a combination of Heat (an avant supp) and "glucophase" made by designer supplements taken together on an empty stomach works VERY well.

The ingredients in heat (which is designed to assist in weight loss) are:

Hordenine, Evodiamine, Alpha-yohimbine, and Tyramine

http://www.mindandmu....php?pageID=235

The ingredients in glucophase are: (q=quercetin dervivative)

K-R-Ala (Potassium-R-Lipoate)..........250mg
D-Biotin..........500mcg
Quercetin...........200mg
Q3D.....24mg
Q4D........25mg


There have been threads at avant discussing how something(s) in glucophase increases permeability of the BBB allowing the heat to have this effect. Heat does make some people warmer, and perhaps one would need to figure out the "active" ingredient (tyramine? which 1fast has recently gotten in bulk).

If you are going to get tyramine and try this, see avant thread on tyramine as there are apparently storage issues.

[matti]

What doses where you using?

Edit: Nevermind, I saw your reply over at avant. (3 heat + 1 GXR)

The combo sounds promising.

Edited by matti, 04 March 2005 - 04:32 PM.

[scottl]

It is very promising. I told sledge he and Par should get together and come out with a product.

[scottl]

See end of thread here:

http://forum.avantla...=ST&f=1&t=15300

Dim says "not unlike half of an orange adderall".

[stellar]

Hey scott, have you ever tried a stack of Guarana, Tyrosine (or DLPA), Chocamine and ALCAR?? If so, how does your current proposal compare to it?

[scottl]

Stellar,

Nope.

I have no experience with ephedra/guarana at all and no interest in these. I like tyrosine e.g. neurostim* and powerdrive, like unsweetened cocoa + stevia....which I assume is somewhat like chocamine, and have not noticed any difference from ALCAR.



*I"m not concerned as that is the only aspartame I get and only consume it...a few times/week at most.

[lemon]

...speaking of aspartame and sweetners, how dangerous is sucrolose?

Edit: I wish stevia would be approved as a sweetner but untill then...

[chelovd]

Following on stevia... Just a comment on it & the FDA:
Some reputable circles consider it very safe and effective, even vanguard (yet somewhat conservative) doctors like Dr. Mercola view it with good eyes. What's interesting is the way in which the FDA is at times hasty in its approvals and slow or even obstructing on others. Could it be that scientific research is not their only basis for approvals? What about politics/special interests? To me is obvious.

[scottl]

Lemon,

How much and what are you consuming?

There is a report here:

http://thebull.bulkn...eID=7&pageID=95.

[chelovd]

Hi,

very interesting article... I agree with many of the points stated. With respect to stevia, it basically reiterates what the FDA has repeatedly been saying, the lack of studies in humans, methodology questions, etc.. Certainly the debate over the development of sweeteners is becoming very interesting since there is an enourmous market for it. One aspect to consider is of empirical nature vs "findings" in relatively recent studies. We cannot know the long term effects of "artificial sweeteners" since they are in the market for just a few decades versus stevia (which is still exotic here) which we've used for thousands of years in south America. The testosterone issue is highly suspicious to me, never heard of it before in real life, just now that is mentioned in: one study. We'll see.