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#1 2tired

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 12:50 AM


I am tired a lot, and it seems like the only time I can muster energy is when I'm involved in something physically exertive or after a QUAD shot of espresso (since I stopped messing with ephedrine and yohimbine a long time ago). Problem is, I have some writing projects I feel would be financially beneficial to me if I could stay focused on them for long enough periods.

I've tried upping my iron, B vitamins and potassium intakes as well as varying dosages of Piracetam. I didn't notice anything. I tried some anti-depressants thinking that might be it, and I ended up MORE TIRED from them. I've read that many of the nootropics can also actually make you MORE TIRED. I don't won't to fry my adrenal glands into an insomnial hell again from caffeine (and ephedrine and yohimbine) overuse. I would like to find something that might work with minimal side effects (and not outright illegal like amphetemines).

Any suggestions for me to consider would be greatly appreciated.

#2 Raza

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Posted 22 June 2012 - 09:26 AM

There's loads.

Tyrosine, ALCAR, the CELTIP stack from the chemical long term potentiation thread, DMAE/Centrophenoxine, Oxiracetam, Ginkgo, Alpha GPC or CDP Choline as your choline source, Sulbutiamine for occasions since it builds rapid resistance... also mind your water intake, sleep and B vitamins.

The forum search function will get you the info with these names.

Edited by Raza, 22 June 2012 - 09:28 AM.

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#3 2tired

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:35 AM

There's loads.

Tyrosine, ALCAR, the CELTIP stack from the chemical long term potentiation thread, DMAE/Centrophenoxine, Oxiracetam, Ginkgo, Alpha GPC or CDP Choline as your choline source, Sulbutiamine for occasions since it builds rapid resistance... also mind your water intake, sleep and B vitamins.

The forum search function will get you the info with these names.


Thanks for the response.

I have tried products containing Tyrosine and ALCAR to little noticeable effects. I did just order some Oxiracetam a few minutes ago. Gingko seems to be available everywhere, so I'll pick some of that up tomorrow. I'm also considering the Timed-Release Energy Boost product from Swanson Vitamins, although it seems to be just a diverse collection of stimulants with some B-12. (?)

I entered multiple search term variations related to your "CELTIP stack from the chemical long term potentiation thread" suggestion, but I couldn't find what it was you were talking about. What specific supplements make up the CELTIP stack, if I may ask?

#4 Raza

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 08:45 AM

Products containing how much of them? You'll want at least 500mg of the pure stuff from both, preferably before breakfast in the morning.

That time release thing looks like a bunch of caffeine from different herbal sources that do each offer something extra, but in this mix in rather low doses, plus B12. It's not a bad product at all, but if you're already used to high regular caffeine intake and not B12 deficient you may not notice the low doses of the other actives from one cap.

Give the oxi some time before expecting too much from it. Its a benefits-from-chronic-use thing.

http://www.longecity...ly-induced-ltp/ is the thread, and reading it for the theory is a good idea, but it's long and the stack is only refined somewhere in the middle. The core of it is Forskolin (3 to 20 mg) plus either Quercetin (300 to 900 mg) or Artichoke Extract (dosed in caps of the brand they use - I only have experience with Quercetin), which potentiates stimulants like Tyrosine or Caffeine to improve focus and learning. The whole stack feels more potent than most single sups taken for these things.

#5 FrankMH

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:09 AM

I 'would' have recommend the pre-workout stimulant 'Craze' (as talked about here) as it appears to tick all your boxes. However, some have flagged up some health issues after taking it, so apply the standard caveats.

#6 Galaxyshock

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 01:15 PM

I suggest Rhodiola extract 250mg or Siberian Ginseng 500mg, 1-2 times a day. These adaptogens increase your energy levels without draining you out and have a lot of health benefits. The low-end dosages I suggested are usually more stimulating. I've had good results with both and cycle them from time to time. I notice improved energy output, increase in motivation and calm focus.

#7 mickzin

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:22 AM

You don't mention anything about your diet though. That has a lot to do with energy levels.

#8 Sovereign

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:22 AM

Not many nootropics are suitable for long term use. If you're experiencing chronic fatigue I suggest you see a doctor as it IS abnormal.

However, if you really need some energy for short-term use I'd suggest Sulbutiamine which is pretty damn effective at that. I take around 800mg of it when I really need that boost of energy to get assignments/work done and it works amazingly. Also, I take Aniracetam and Caffeine on a regular basis too. The combination of all three give me a giant burst of energy. There are noticeable synergistic anxiolytic effects when taking Aniracetam and Sulbutiamine for me as well, I seem FAR more sociable and outgoing than I normally am.

I don't know it's advisable to take Sulbutiamine on a long term basis. I've only been taking it for about four days now, but some users have reported a development of tolerance after a week or so. So far, for me, it is still working amazingly. If it do develop tolerance, I'll probably still take it sporadically when I have a ton of assignments due or during exam week.

Just my 2 cents. I've been experiencing chronic fatigue too but I don't really have the money or time to get checked. I'm hoping that these nootropics will tide me over until I am able to do so.

#9 Sovereign

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:22 AM

Sulbutiamine is the shit. I have never been happier in my entire life. It gives me the energy I need to be at my true potential. I STRONGLY recommend anyone who experiences tiredness on a daily basis, despite being apparently healthy, to at least try this supplement.

Due to everyone being different, I can't guarantee that it will work for you the same way it does for me. I still recommend you give it a try though.

Edited by Sovereign, 16 August 2012 - 08:23 AM.


#10 unregistered_user

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:27 AM

Sulbutiamine is the shit. I have never been happier in my entire life. It gives me the energy I need to be at my true potential. I STRONGLY recommend anyone who experiences tiredness on a daily basis, despite being apparently healthy, to at least try this supplement.

Due to everyone being different, I can't guarantee that it will work for you the same way it does for me. I still recommend you give it a try though.


You build tolerance to this rapidly. Not exactly a good long-term solution. Enjoy it while it lasts!

Also, I know you specified it was a short term nootropic but lest anyone think it is sustainable in the long term, I wanted to emphasize just how quickly you build tolerance.

#11 timhill82

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Posted 01 October 2014 - 04:00 PM

After I tired alot of nootropics and cofee they only gave me energy so in the gym its good but not wrtiing for my dissertation :(



#12 vader

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Posted 24 May 2016 - 10:39 AM

Low GI diet... Ie. give up bread, etc. for barley, parboiled / brown rice, bananas for blueberries. The only side effect is complete lack of appetite when not spiking glucose and maybe lack of insulin sensitivity.



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Posted 24 May 2016 - 03:19 PM

There's loads.

Tyrosine, ALCAR, the CELTIP stack from the chemical long term potentiation thread, DMAE/Centrophenoxine, Oxiracetam, Ginkgo, Alpha GPC or CDP Choline as your choline source, Sulbutiamine for occasions since it builds rapid resistance... also mind your water intake, sleep and B vitamins.
 

 

These are good mainstream supplements to try for "tiredness" without going into some very off-beat supplements.

 

With the exception of tyrosine and CELTIP, I've tried them all with generally good effect but, of course, different people may get different responses.



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#14 jroseland

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 04:50 AM

Worth a listen: August Biohacking Q&A #15: Lifehacks for energy and focus






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