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[panhedonic]

Symbiosisneurocircuit, I like your communication style.

[brainmaker]

If you could be more specific that would be helpful. If someone could list what to take out because of reactions to other things I would greatly appreciate it

[Crispy Cat]

If you could be more specific that would be helpful. If someone could list what to take out because of reactions to other things I would greatly appreciate it

not even a top neuroscientist would be able to tell you all the possible interactions, chemical imbalances, and possible brain damaging effects here without days of researching each chemicals effect and interactions!!
therefore i would start by taking out the following:

600 mg Artichoke extract
500mg quercetin
250mg resveratrol
150 mg forskolin
20 mg DMAA (1,3-dimethylamylamine)
4200mg phosphatidylcholine
250mg Uridine monophosphate
4 g (DHA) Docosahexaenoic acid
50 mg noopept
1g Acetylcarnitine
500mg lions mane mushroom

750mg oxiracetam
800mg aniracetam
400mg calcium carbonate
Luteolin 150mg
500mg phenylalanine
Methylene blue 250mg
Pramiracetam 500mg
500 mg cdp choline
500mg bacopa
Ashwagandha 750mg
Fish oil 3.5 g
Ginkgo biloba 750mg
Phosphatidyl Serine 100mg
700mg SAMe
Creatine mp 5g
Dextrose 5g
Glutamic Acid 500mg

4g inositol
Adderal xr 10mg (possibly changed out for straterra 25mg)
Lexapro 2.5mg
Pregnelone 50mg
Jatamansi 500mg

L-theanine 100mg
100mg ALA (Alpha Lipoic acid)
Vitamin c 500mg
Zinc 25mg
Magnesium citrate 240mg
1g sulbutimine
5 Methylcobalamin sublingualy
1000mg TMG(Trimethylglycine)
100mg ginseng
Lithium orotate 5mg at night
Glycine 3g induces sleep
Pantothenic acid 1000mg
Guanfacine 1mg

Multi
Vitamin D 2000iu
Vitamin k2 mk7 100mcg
Pom40p pomegranate extract
Magnesium malate

once you have done a whole month of the remaining :
1200mg piracetam
Alpha gpc 300mg
Vitamin b50 complex (one pill per day)
come back and tell us your experience and what areas you still want to improve and we will tell you the next chemical you can safely trial with it

Edited by Crispy Cat, 24 October 2012 - 06:45 AM.

[alecnevsky]

Here's an anecdote: Today I took 4 doses (within 24hrs) of 200mg Pram along with 200mg Sulb and other "fun stuff." By 4th dose, my skin started excreting a pungent chemical smell a la Pramiracetam, Choline, ALCAR. It was rancid! I couldn't even concentrate on my work.

If you're not too concerned about digesting this, just think about your family and friends. Pram., Ox., Ani., Choline sources and ALCAR + other chemicals in these quantities is going to make you smell like shit. Be careful, otherwise you may just cease getting the attention you want from whomever it is you want it.

[kagalive1985]

You are taking too much to quickly... (I made this same mistake myself).

Remember to KISS (Keep it simple stupid) and always keep in mind Less is more.

Just try a basic stack of
4.8g Piracetam
1.6g Aniracetam
800mg Oxiracetam
500mg Lions Mane Mushroom

If you really want to be adventurous add 400mg of Pramiracetam to the mix...

Can also try adding Noopept (3x10mg doses), or if you just want more energy (smooth and clean) try Pyrinitol and/or Sulbutiamine.

Hope that helps, with regards to you 'biaccidentally killing yourself' - using such an insane level of different products could very well do just that. (Despite Racetams low-toxicity levels).

Just please remember that less is more and you do not need to spend thousands of dollars on every nootropic under the sun (i tried this once!).... usually a basic stack as outlined above proves much more useful!

Warm Wishes & Namaste,
Your nootropic guinea-pig,
- Kagalive

[panhedonic]

Can also try adding Noopept (3x10mg doses), or if you just want more energy (smooth and clean) try Pyrinitol and/or Sulbutiamine.

Pyritinol can cause severe hepatitis. Check this thread and article.
http://www.longecity...upplementation/

[jayfoxpox]

Double your stack and everything should go smoothly.

[thomasthomas]

Seriously guy, don't take that insane stack.

You will get sick. You won't be able to keep it up. And it almost certainly won't even have the effect you want it to.

You can't just ingest dozens of substances and hope that you become a genius.

Start with a very simple stack, and then slowly add things if you want to experiment.

What you're doing now is stupid, pointless, dangerous, and a waste of money.

Edited by thomasthomas, 28 October 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[brainmaker]

I will try to sum up what happened.
So I edited the list below, took out a few items, and lowered a few dosages. Unfortunately I lost the copy I had of the final stack and to be honest I don't remember it.


I started by taking a micro dosage of everything below and I worked my way up. My brain did not explode. In fact I was feeling better than I ever have in my entire life.

Then I hit the wall. I'm not exactly sure where that was with all of the dosage as I lost the file I had on this, on my computer. Basically I started to get foggy brain all the time. Fish bowl brain. In order for me to be able to stay on this stack I needed to keep increasing the dosage and at a point it was just to much. Then when I tried taking a lower dose that wouldnt cause fish brain, the effects were almost non existent. I needed to keep adding. That's where I stopped taking everything and took a break.

I am now at a place where I would like to try this experiment again. Only this time I won't be taking this daily. More like just keep it on the side in case of emergency. To be used only when really needed.
Please don't tell me, "don't take all of the chemicals, it will be bad," because I have taken them before and I am fine.

I would like some opinions on dosages for all of these chems assuming they are all going to be taken together. Also as I said a couple of these need to be taken out. JUST A COUPLE.

Thanks everyone for your help in editing the stack below.


600 mg Artichoke extract
500mg quercetin
250mg resveratrol
150 mg forskolin
20 mg DMAA (1,3-dimethylamylamine)
2000mg phosphatidylcholine
250mg Uridine monophosphate
4 g (DHA) Docosahexaenoic acid
50 mg noopept
1g Acetylcarnitine
500mg lions mane mushroom
700mg piracetam
250mg oxiracetam
250mg aniracetam
100mg calcium carbonate
Luteolin 150mg
500mg phenylalanine
Pramiracetam 150mg
250mg cdp choline
500mg bacopa
Ashwagandha 750mg
Fish oil 3.5 g
Phosphatidyl Serine 100mg
700mg SAMe
Creatine mp 5g
Dextrose 5g
Glutamic Acid 500mg
Vitamin b50 complex
4g inositol
Adderal xr 3mg
Pregnelone 50mg
Jatamansi 500mg
Alpha gpc 150mg
L-theanine 100mg
100mg ALA (Alpha Lipoic acid)
Vitamin c 500mg
Zinc 25mg
Magnesium citrate 240mg
300mg sulbutimine
5mg Methylcobalamin sublingualy (b12)
1000mg TMG(Trimethylglycine)
100mg ginseng
Glycine 3g induces sleep
Pantothenic acid 1000mg
3mg astaxanthin
Magnesium malate 500mg
Ginkgo biloba 150mg(I am using the leaf powder)
Lithium orotate 5mg
Multi vitamin
Vitamin D 2000iu
Vitamin k2 mk7
Pom40p pomegranate extract

[jvvd]

Wow.. I'm guessing (hoping) this isn't a serious topic..

What are you actually trying to achieve? Just take as much in as you can?

Well, I think the obvious has been said, sheer quantities aside, you've got too many contraindicated items on your list.

For a while I was taking bacopa, fish oil, multi-vitamins, piracetam, vitamin c and alcar in the morning. Not a lot compared to some, and miniscule against your list, but it was tricky to stomach that number of pills.

I fully agree on the good night of sleep, you might be better off with a couple of zopiclone doses to try and get a rhythm going. Why haven't you slept for 90+ hours?

Just as others have suggested you keep it simple, I'd suggest rather than a stack that you start with one single supplement to start with. Something you've researched, and has a lot of evidence and recommendation. After a few days (well, three weeks if you wanted to do it right) you can reassess, change what your taking or find something complementary. So don't "cut" anything from your list, figure out what and why you want to take, then choose your "favourite" and start there.

Maybe you got lucky with taking them once, doesn't mean you can just throw them down the hatch and expect the same results. You say you now want something for "emergency" rather than daily intake. Sounds to me like you just want a stimulant. I'd suggest you look into military nootropic use. Modafinil is one I swear by and use it whenever I've behind on sleep.

I think your best case scenario with your current "stack" is that you waste a load of money and end up with stomach ache and brain fog.

[brainmaker]

I created this thread and took all of this in 2012. Again I will do it no matter what. All I ask is for someone to help by slightly editing the stack.

If this time the results are brain fog and a stomach ache, so be it.

Also, I would rather take adderal then modifinal any day. Both don't really work together and after a long time trying them, I just functioned better on adderal.

[jvvd]

I created this thread and took all of this in 2012. Again I will do it no matter what. All I ask is for someone to help by slightly editing the stack.

If this time the results are brain fog and a stomach ache, so be it.

Also, I would rather take adderal then modifinal any day. Both don't really work together and after a long time trying them, I just functioned better on adderal.

That's your prerogative.. I won't try to suggest changes to your stack, I know next to nothing about a lot of those items and I suspect even for the best expert it would be hard to figure out the precise effect of these interactions, before even considering quantities. What is a microdose anyway, say relative to typical daily dose? Would you consider that the effects you experienced were psychosomatic?

I'd be interested if you could annotate your list though to get a sense of why you've decided to take this combination? For example, I've taken bacopa before (until a change in supply had unwanted side-effects) and I'd say you need to take it for at least a month for it to be of any use... so why have it in a stack that's "To be used only when needed"?

[brainmaker]

I created this thread and took all of this in 2012. Again I will do it no matter what. All I ask is for someone to help by slightly editing the stack.

If this time the results are brain fog and a stomach ache, so be it.

Also, I would rather take adderal then modifinal any day. Both don't really work together and after a long time trying them, I just functioned better on adderal.

That's your prerogative.. I won't try to suggest changes to your stack, I know next to nothing about a lot of those items and I suspect even for the best expert it would be hard to figure out the precise effect of these interactions, before even considering quantities. What is a microdose anyway, say relative to typical daily dose? Would you consider that the effects you experienced were psychosomatic?

I'd be interested if you could annotate your list though to get a sense of why you've decided to take this combination? For example, I've taken bacopa before (until a change in supply had unwanted side-effects) and I'd say you need to take it for at least a month for it to be of any use... so why have it in a stack that's "To be used only when needed"?

Your probably right. I should have part of the stack as a daily or every other day regimen and all of the items which build tolerance, need increased dosage, or cause complications/become weaker with close timed use, as the "only for emergency stash."

When I started this months ago, I started with 1/30th of all of the dosages I have listed here, give or take the few I deleted and that I changed these dosages some what. I tried 5 days for that 1/30th dose then doubled and I kept going up like that slowly. Unfortunately I lost my documents so Im not sure where I stopped and what was to much or to little. That is why I need advice on changing the dosages, as I would not like to go through the trial error period again.

I just don't have the time to go through every substance in my list and explain it. I have been kicking myself non stop since I lost my file with all of the research and information.

[wiwi1212]

For example, I've taken bacopa before (until a change in supply had unwanted side-effects) and I'd say you need to take it for at least a month for it to be of any use...

diarrhea, right?

have a nice day

[ch1ll]

That is some expensive urine.

[brainmaker]

For example, I've taken bacopa before (until a change in supply had unwanted side-effects) and I'd say you need to take it for at least a month for it to be of any use...

diarrhea, right?

have a nice day

I never figured out why people get stomach problems from this stuff.
I took this stack and never had a single issue.

[brainmaker]

That is some expensive urine.

Maybe I should start selling it. For the sake of science of coarse.

[brainmaker]

I forgot to add 50mg caffeine.

[jvvd]

How did you know wiwi?


Brainmaker.. good luck.. But I strongly urge you to strip down to the bare essentials and gradually build up a stack week by week based on experience.

[brainmaker]

My new question would be which items here need to be taken every day in order to get the best effects.
The ones which do not would be put aside for emergency stash. On a day I really need the extra cognitive boost.

[wiwi1212]

How did you know wiwi?


Brainmaker.. good luck.. But I strongly urge you to strip down to the bare essentials and gradually build up a stack week by week based on experience.

I got the same thing, and then I read on the box: "an excessive use can have laxative effects"...

Just that I never got an excessive dose, in fact, I used half the ammount recommended and the four days that I tried it was the same.

I read another member of the forum saying that this happen only with low quality bacopa, and that´s the reason he only trust in 2 or 3 brands.

Well, it was a good brand in my case, and it was the same.

Have a nice day!