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[kagalive1985]

Hey guys

To provide some context I've been awake for 8 hours so far today. 4 Hours after waking up I took 2x200mg (400mg) of Modafinil. An hour ago, or +7h I took another 200mg, for a total of 600mg.

I'm alert and awake and I have a mild but enjoyable sense of euphoria. I'm just wondering if there are any supplements out there that can enhance Modafinil;s euphoric effect. I'm fairly experienced with Modafinil and note that the euphoria does seem to increase pretty much linearly with the dose, but if I dose over 600mg too quickly (I can only dose in 200mg increments) I notice I'm much more likely to experience unwanted side-effects like anxiety and headache.

In other words, I know I can enhance the euphoria by taking more Modafinil but is there other supplements that could do so? I have access to a wide range of supplements some of which may be likely candidates include L-Tyrosine, Green Tea Extract, Caffeine, Nicotine and Fish Oil.

I don't know if any of these will work or what other alternatives are out there that I might investigate. My supply of Modafinil is growing quite low and I'm trying to make the most out of it before it runs dry. Naturally I'd prefer safer alternatives to those more questionable, but any suggestions are most welcome.

Thanks for your time and wishing you the utmost longevity,
Kaga.

[kagalive1985]

Just a quick update.

I took another 200mg at T= +10.5h (which was about 30 minutes ago). The euphoria seems to be slowly increasing and no negative side-effects have been observed thus far. As note previously I am fairly experienced with Modafinil and I do not recommend taking more than 400mg per 24 hours if you are not familiar with it. (Many people are satisfied with 200 or even 100mg, some people even advocate less than this!).

My concentration and focus are enhanced, music sounds a little bit better (subjectively 10%-20% improvement), and mood is fairly high (good), but stable. I am alert and awake although I am slightly more tired than I was when I posted the first entry. Of course I haven't been awake all that long (around 12 hours now) so I shouldn't really be that tired anyway.

I will continue to monitor my progress and post any major observations. In the mean time please feel free to offer your suggestions to my previous post.

Warm Wishes and thanks for reading,
Kaga.

[Klarox]

Sorry to not answer your question directly, but in my experience I've found that trying to enhance the effects of modafinil is extremely tricky. When using said dopaminergic supplements you could find yourself at an undesirable part of the bell curve very easily and be right back to where to started in terms of mood and focus after supplementing. For example, selegiline + modafinil was terrible as it ruined the focusing effect that I experience when only using modafinil.

The best combo I've found is 700mg aniracetam + 100mg modafinil, but that's primarily for nootropic effects -- the occasional euphoria is nice too.

Hope that you find something, though.

[kagalive1985]

Thanks for the reply,

My thread got moved, which is fine, but it took me a little while to find it. Sorry for posting in the wrong section.

I'm glad you warned me about the Selegiline combo - I'll definitely avoid it.

I'll continue my research and my experimentation as the day/night goes on. If I find anything I'll let you know. If I don't find anything I might change the experiment, I want to do something with the few Modafinil pills I have remaining, maybe I'll try and use one every X amount of hours to see just how long I can stay awake. Not sure if I have the willpower for that one though haha.

So far I did a little writing on a novel I'm working on and churned out a quick 1500 or so words with little effort, so it's definitely increasing my focus. Needs a few proof-reads though to determine if I actually wrote down anything useful. I think I did but that's of a very subjective bias.

Anyway thanks again, and I'll be sure to update should anything of note occur.

*Hugs*
- Kaga

[kagalive1985]

I've found some documented cases of people taking 1200mg + of Modafinil where the user claims to have experienced significant euphoria. I find this dosage a little high however and am particularly concerned about the potential anxiety that this dose may cause. I have issues with anxiety normally (not always) and am trying to stay clear of it. My goal is to achieve a prolonged heightened mood and possible extended wake-times and having an anxiety attack in the middle of this seems very counter-productive. Not to mention the fact that anxiety is bad enough, let alone being kept awake and not being able to escape into sleep!

Whilst being very wary of the >1200mg dose (which I assume was taken all at once) I am compelled to take one more 200mg pill. (The time now being +13h since waking and +9h since my first 400mg dose). I've also had 2 cups of coffee throughout the night/day (it was night time at first post but it's bled into 10am now). The coffee was fairly strong but was spread several hours apart. Once again I am taking potential anxiety issues into consideration here.

One thing I have noticed that has dramatically changed is my Nicotine cravings. I normally smoke around 1 cigarette per hour but over the past hour I've consumed 4-5. I'm now consciously aware of this fact and will be more inclined to monitor how much I'm having and stave of the cravings as long as possible. I have read in the past that Modafinil increases both the enjoyment of smoking and the brains craving for Nicotine but this is the first instance where I have noticed it myself. In my opinion smoking isn't that much more enjoyable, I just have the urge to do it more often. I seem to just finish a smoke when I feel like I haven't had one in quite sometime. Perhaps fortunately I'm running low on cigarettes so that's another factor that makes it in my best interest to intentionally slow down. (Also 4-5 cigarettes an hour seems ridiculously gluttonous and harmful).

The effects on music appreciation and enhancement are becoming more apparent as time progresses. Right now I'd subjectively rate music to be about 30%-40% better. It's a little hard to describe in words exactly what's happening here but generally speaking each note seems 'fuller' and 'crisper.' Music of any genre (of those I've trialed) seems more 'dramatic' and more 'intense.' Also, when listening to music on YouTube if I listen at the standard definition of 360p the music sounds overly 'tinny' and I notice a lot of hisses. Also at this definition I find the music seems lacklustre and it seems to be 'missing' something. When switching to HD (720p +) the sound is much better and this is where I notice the 'enhancement' effects. Some of the most enjoyable music in this state seems to be that labelled 'epic music.' In addition I'm sure any song that's a favorite of yours would be susceptible to this enhancement effect. It may be worth noticing I'm listening with HD head-phones which seem to provide a much better experience than general speakers. (I tend to notice lesser sounds more often and more prominent sounds seem more significant).

I mainly just wanted to note my findings regarding the 1200mg+ dose, the increased nicotine cravings and music enhancement effects I've observed thus far. As always I'll keep monitoring and updating. You may be able to notice from the length of this post that my, hmm what's the best word here....'commitment' I guess, to writing/doing whatever task is at hand is increased. - I usually just post a few sentences and now I find myself writing multiple paragraphs.

Feel free to add questions or comments, even if you cannot answer my first post regarding euphoria enhancement I wouldn't mind using this thread as a general discussion regarding Modafinil.

More as it comes...

Warm Wishes and Stay Safe,
Kaga

[alecnevsky]

I skimmed through the thread. I am going to assume by euphoria you mean its efficacy. The best thing for that is obviously sleep (ha!) In terms of supplements, I take tyrosine, glutamate and green tea extract (11% caffeine.) It seems to work well together so far although I take no more than 100mg for 12 hrs. You're going to peter out taking that much [>600mg/day] modafinil and develop tolerance quicker.

[kagalive1985]

Thanks for the reply and suggestions regarding the supplements you use.

To clarify here I'm asking specifically about euphoria - that is the profound sense of well being, excited mood, body-rushes and tingling almost-butterflies in your stomach feeling that is well, euphoria. Efficacy is a slightly different beast and I've done other tests to prove to myself the 'efficacy' of Modafinil. - It's designed to keep you awake and it certainly does just that. The euphoria is more of a positive side effect that is very welcomed.

To update I took 500mg Tyrosine but it did not seem to do much. This morning my computer died (after much troubleshooting it was a failure on the part of my SSD :( ) - anyway, the point is I had to spend several hours trying to fix it. Despite being reasonably tired this didn't put me in too much of a bad mood - where normally something like this would really bug me and turn me into a rager for a little while, this didn't really phase me. I was still yelling obscenities at my poor little computer but I was laughing as I did so, I wasn't really angry just sort of half-annoyed. This was an interesting state to observe and makes me think that Modafinil does help to regulate and improve mood.

So far it's been around 17 hours since I first woke up, no record by any means but I'd usually be well tired and ready for bed right now. Instead, I'm awake and alert, fairly chirpy and bright and just ready to see what the rest of the day may bring.

In summary still no real hints at enhancing the euphoria but I found out through experience that it does effect mood positively. My nicotine cravings are still skyrocketing but I've ran out of smokes so they'll just have to stay that way for a while. This too should normally put me in a bad mood but right now I'm more just 'meh' about the whole thing. Hoping to be able to stay awake for quite an extended period on this but if I get overly tired I'll probably just crash.

Namaste and Peace to all,
- Kaga

[Klarox]

If you're going to be doing any form of writing I would highly recommend adding aniracetam due to the anecdotal effects of increased verbal fluidity and creativity reported as well as the anxiolytic effect, which seems to be a major concern of yours.

[vali]

I am surprised you are trying to get an euphoric effect with modafinil. Why not just take a drug that's actually euphoric? Is there some reason in particular that you are trying to get this effect from modafinil?

While I'm not adverse to taking mind altering chemicals to have a good time, I think you're taking the wrong chemical and talking about it in the wrong forum.

[Geoffrey]

One of the good things about modafinil / armodafinil, is that it is not self-reinforcing. If it produced consistent highs, it would be addictive and would be even more severely controlled than it is. In humans at least, it isn't addictive, though you can become tolerant to its effects with constant use. It's great for concentrated work: if it produced constant euphoria, no-one would get anything done on it, and it would just be a recreational drug, probably banned like LSD et al.

[clockwatcher]

I must say that chasing euphoria sounds rough, akin to chasing a high, which isn't sustainable. With that said, a mild bit of caffeine and 500mg phenibut does it for me.

Edited by clockwatcher, 19 February 2013 - 09:48 AM.

[Muffinboof]

Modafinil is greatly enhanced in euphoric effects by PPAP HCL. Interesting to hear your negative sides with Selegeline as I use 5mg/day along with 100mg Modafinil 2x/day. Adding Mucana pruriens (l-dopa and other herbal rave bullsh** in trace amounts that is in Mucana Pruriens) replenishes dopamine stores. Phenylpiracetam to add cognitive stimulation (more euphoria) and increase signal strength across the corpus collusum.

Modafinil's primary mechanism of action is dopamine net activity increase SPECIFICALLY in the Diencephelon!!! This is The tippi top of the brainstem. Read - LOWER and hence BEFORE the corpus collusum and as such is synergistic with ANY racetam class nootropic that unites the hemispheres of the brain.

You should start one at a time, PPAP 25mg, phenylpiracetam 100mg, Modafinil (you're insane dosing schedule in half... humor me...) And whatever the bottle says for the herb. This WILL work. CDP-choline if you want the headaches to stop.

[Nate-2004]

I take modafinil every few days (4 usually) around 8am and only 200mg max, as it's totally out of your system in 4 days. This seems to help retain the euphoria but it really only peaks a couple hours into it and lasts a couple of hours before it falls off slowly till maybe later in the evening.

 

I do think EGCG helps and so does Rhodiola.

 

I'm very interested in the above post on PPAP, started reading about it after finally realizing I had to type HCL after it or I'd get that stupid pineapple pen song on Google. Also, I sometimes get headaches with modafinil @Muffinboof why do you think CDP-Choline fixes that?

[Muffinboof]

Because other people just as smart as me say so. I also like drinking half a bottle of Biotest Brain Candy every day. Just look-up the ingredients, it's impressive and they offer a caffeine free version!

I am not affiliated with Biotest btw (:

[Nate-2004]

I have most of their ingredients in bulk at home and some of which are sort of not necessary or useful. I could make my own version I guess.