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[Gannons]

Hello,

This is my current stack that I have been taking for the past year or so (With monthly cycles of the noopept, and bi weekly cycles of
Sulbutiamine and Modafinil).

30-50mg Noopept
350-500mg Sulbutiamine
400mg L-Theanine
200mg Caffeine
15-30mg Sunifiram (taken since NSN started selling it)
150-200mg Modafinil (powdered not pill)

I was wondering if you guys have any suggestions on improving my stack, or if I have overlooked some dangerous combination.

Gannons

Edited by Gannons, 06 May 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Tom_]

Standard recommendation with noopept and any racetam is you stay on them for 2-3 months before you consider cycling off it.

Modafinil should be fine to take pretty much daily as will Sulbutiamine.

Adding in a cycled 1-2 weekly multi vit and bi-daily (every other) b complex could help.

Other than that, synergistic and effective.

[Gannons]

Standard recommendation with noopept and any racetam is you stay on them for 2-3 months before you consider cycling off it.

Modafinil should be fine to take pretty much daily as will Sulbutiamine.

Adding in a cycled 1-2 weekly multi vit and bi-daily (every other) b complex could help.

Other than that, synergistic and effective.

Thanks for the response!

I thought there was some chance of sulbutiamine tolerance with continuous dosing.

[JohnnyP]

I think it is kind of user specific with sulbutiamine, I know that if I take it for more than say 4 days in a row I either feel the need to increase the dose or the effects are diminished so I like to try and use it when I need that extra mental energy.

[Gannons]

I think it is kind of user specific with sulbutiamine, I know that if I take it for more than say 4 days in a row I either feel the need to increase the dose or the effects are diminished so I like to try and use it when I need that extra mental energy.

Yea, i've felt similar things to what your describing. Usually when tolerance starts feeling too strong, I just take a week off.

[blueinfinity]

What are your reasons for taking theanine and what effects have you noticed?

do you like the modafinil, noopept and sulbutiamine all together? or did you start taking these at different times to experience individual effects?

[Gannons]

What are your reasons for taking theanine and what effects have you noticed?

do you like the modafinil, noopept and sulbutiamine all together? or did you start taking these at different times to experience individual effects?

Combining theanine with caffeine is probably my favorite out of all the noots I take. They are very synergistic with each other. The theanine pretty much blocks out the negative effects of caffeine. By itself, all it does is make me drowsy.

I take them together out of convenience because I will forget to take them if I dont take them all at once. I have taken all three individually before and I have felt it isn't worth the effort to space them out. Out of those three, sulbutiamine is the best. I feel "Brighter" when I take it.

[blueinfinity]

What are your reasons for taking theanine and what effects have you noticed?

do you like the modafinil, noopept and sulbutiamine all together? or did you start taking these at different times to experience individual effects?

Combining theanine with caffeine is probably my favorite out of all the noots I take. They are very synergistic with each other. The theanine pretty much blocks out the negative effects of caffeine. By itself, all it does is make me drowsy.

I take them together out of convenience because I will forget to take them if I dont take them all at once. I have taken all three individually before and I have felt it isn't worth the effort to space them out. Out of those three, sulbutiamine is the best. I feel "Brighter" when I take it.

I sometimes feel tired after coffee, is that what you meant, or the theanine makes you tired on its own?

I heard noopept is a "non-racetam" do you know what that means?

I am considering starting from piracetam and working my way around the racetams, what are other peoples thoughts from firsthand experience

[Gannons]

I sometimes feel tired after coffee, is that what you meant, or the theanine makes you tired on its own?

I heard noopept is a "non-racetam" do you know what that means?

I am considering starting from piracetam and working my way around the racetams, what are other peoples thoughts from firsthand experience

No, the L-theanine makes me tired on its own. It works on GABA so you will feel a little drowsy if you take it, nothing overly noticeable though. I would never take it without caffeine because it works best combined.

noopept as a non-racetam? hmm I think I know what they are talking about but don't quote me on this because I'm not sure if its completely correct. Its not a racetam but a raceRAM. Its more closely related to sunifram and other racerams then the other racetams.

Hmmm I started with piracetam too, I found it a little underwhelming (compared to other noots). Also the massive amount of powder you need to consume is difficult. something like 5g with piracetam or 30mg with noopept. In addition, I have heard reports that piracetam needs choline source with it unless you enjoy headaches. With noopept, i've never had brain fog or headaches associated with choline depletion. Honestly, I would suggest that you just start with noopept then try aniracetam.

[Patrick Sylvester]

Noopept (Russian: Ноопепт; GVS-111, N-phenylacetyl-L-prolylglycine ethyl ester) is a medication promoted and prescribed in Russia....
The registered brand name Noopept® (Ноопепт) is trademarked by the manufacturer JSC LEKKO Pharmaceuticals....

It is derived from the racetam family of drugs and shares similar mechanisms of action,[2][3] but is, according to studies, 1000 times more potent than the prototypical racetam drug, piracetam.

a peptide-derived compound, noopept

→ source (external link)

[Patrick Sylvester]

150-200mg Modafinil (powdered not pill)

where did you source the modafinil powder from?

also how do you like cycling the sulbutiamine with the modaf, do you find that sulbutiamine is competent in keeping you awake as much as modafinil?
what happens when you take the stack without the L-Theanine or Caffeine combo, do they somewhat cancel each other out rendering both redundant or the same as if you hadn't taken them in the first place?

i would be curious to see what a stack of modafinil, noopept, a high-dose piracetam and TID doses of oxiracetam or pramiracetam would have compared to the topic stack. im ignoring / cutting the sunifiram due to the facts that the only consensus effect it enhanced was visual/auditory and a troubling sleep-pattern alteration, also the cognitive enhancements are too inconsistent right now.

[blueinfinity]

I sometimes feel tired after coffee, is that what you meant, or the theanine makes you tired on its own?

I heard noopept is a "non-racetam" do you know what that means?

I am considering starting from piracetam and working my way around the racetams, what are other peoples thoughts from firsthand experience

No, the L-theanine makes me tired on its own. It works on GABA so you will feel a little drowsy if you take it, nothing overly noticeable though. I would never take it without caffeine because it works best combined.

noopept as a non-racetam? hmm I think I know what they are talking about but don't quote me on this because I'm not sure if its completely correct. Its not a racetam but a raceRAM. Its more closely related to sunifram and other racerams then the other racetams.

Hmmm I started with piracetam too, I found it a little underwhelming (compared to other noots). Also the massive amount of powder you need to consume is difficult. something like 5g with piracetam or 30mg with noopept. In addition, I have heard reports that piracetam needs choline source with it unless you enjoy headaches. With noopept, i've never had brain fog or headaches associated with choline depletion. Honestly, I would suggest that you just start with noopept then try aniracetam.

thanks for this, this is what I was actually thinking naturally, the piracetam schedule more by others recommendations, just wasnt sure of the cleanliness and purity of noopept, but more research makes it seem piracetam is the first and lesser refined

[Gannons]

150-200mg Modafinil (powdered not pill)

where did you source the modafinil powder from?

also how do you like cycling the sulbutiamine with the modaf, do you find that sulbutiamine is competent in keeping you awake as much as modafinil?
what happens when you take the stack without the L-Theanine or Caffeine combo, do they somewhat cancel each other out rendering both redundant or the same as if you hadn't taken them in the first place?

i would be curious to see what a stack of modafinil, noopept, a high-dose piracetam and TID doses of oxiracetam or pramiracetam would have compared to the topic stack. im ignoring / cutting the sunifiram due to the facts that the only consensus effect it enhanced was visual/auditory and a troubling sleep-pattern alteration, also the cognitive enhancements are too inconsistent right now.

I get mine from sunnootropic. That's where I get all my bulk noots from.

I "feel" sulbutiamine way more then moda; it keeps me awake much better then moda. That doesn't mean I don't think the moda is working. It just good at keeping my body awake, not so much my mind.

If I dont take the combo I feel less energetic and its difficult to get myself going. They dont really cancel each other out. More like they enhance the stimulant parts and lower the negative effects like jittery-ness.

I have tried it with a high-dose of piracetam and all I got was massive headaches. I would guess I would need to add a choline source if I wanted to try that again. I've wanted to get my hands on some oxiracetam for awhile, but just havn't had the time. Have you ever had it before? Also what do you mean about the sleep-pattern alteration? I've noticed a change in my sleep patterns, but mostly beneficial.

[Patrick Sylvester]

ah i see.
feel is so subjective but i think i know what you mean. when i take modafinil i get the speedy effects of heightened motivation and desirability to do something, but only on the first time i ever took it and the first time after a break. any doses after that without a break only keeps me awake (which is the only thing i expected from it really, with everything else a side benefit). the term awake is very broad though and i can be awake all night yet excessively fatigued, where i wish i would have just gone to sleep instead. so i know what you mean by an 'awake body-sleepy mind' paradoxical.
thats curious about the theanine, the main reason i seeked out stims/eugeroics is because ive burned myself out on coffee that i absolutely cannot stand the jittery-ness anymore. especially since i need steady hands and such, but still pull those long hours.

anyways with the piracetam: check out these old threads i dug up earlier (i had just ate a ton of msg no thanks to PFChangs)
piracetam doseage
piracetam : getting all its benefits (a strange one that devolves rather quick)

I "feel" sulbutiamine way more then moda; it keeps me awake much better then moda.

do you think you could stay awake for consecutive days or sleep 4 out of 32 hours on sulbutiamine the way modafinil allows and still feel rather functional?

in the last quarter or so of the sunifiram thread after multiple people reported the shortened sleep, the sleep discussion started. rather than sleep 'consolidation' as was exuberantly exclaimed, it was speculated that instead it was robbing the consumers of a portion of their sleep pattern; either REM sleep or SWS i forgot which. either way that was enough for me to put the brakes on it until i see more information. i wouldn't mind consolidation but replacement or censoring i do.

[Gannons]

thats curious about the theanine, the main reason i seeked out stims/eugeroics is because ive burned myself out on coffee that i absolutely cannot stand the jittery-ness anymore. especially since i need steady hands and such, but still pull those long hours.

I switched away from methlyphenidate because of that jittery-ness. On Ritalin, I was a wreck. Anxiety like crazy and the crash was brutal. Ever since starting my stack it either negates the negative effects of Ritalin, or completely replaces the use for it.

do you think you could stay awake for consecutive days or sleep 4 out of 32 hours on sulbutiamine the way modafinil allows and still feel rather functional?

Huh.... Can't say i've ever tried that. I may test it next all-nighter I pull. I know if I take sulbutiamine after 8pm, I cant sleep till atleast 4-5. My mind just runs like crazy. Its not so much I feel physically awake (I actually wanted to sleep), just my mind refused to calm down. I think a combo would be the best for long time wakefullness.

in the last quarter or so of the sunifiram thread after multiple people reported the shortened sleep, the sleep discussion started. rather than sleep 'consolidation' as was exuberantly exclaimed, it was speculated that instead it was robbing the consumers of a portion of their sleep pattern; either REM sleep or SWS i forgot which. either way that was enough for me to put the brakes on it until i see more information. i wouldn't mind consolidation but replacement or censoring i do.

Really eh? Huh I'm gonna put suni on the shelf for a little bit then. That sounds a lil'dicey. I can't wait for coluracetam to be sold at NSN; ill buy some aniracetam with it too.

[Gannons]

Also I checked out that link to getting everything out of piracetam and I think Im going to try glutamate. Who knows, it might work :/

[Patrick Sylvester]

with the glutamate, keep in mind excitotoxicity if you plan on using any ampakines in tandem (aniracetam, sunifiram.)
good luck.

[VIGOR]

Finally managed to string together an excellent stack!
Noopept
Oxiracetam
Centrophenoxine
Omega-3
Ginkgo Biloba
Korean panax Ginseng
Acetyl-L Carnitine

Melatonin and St. John's Wart at night

Granted it is a lot to have to organize into a busy schedule but once you get the equilibrium just right the effects are beyond expectation.
I'm a 23 year old, male. I wanted a stack to help with my meditations and construction of un orthodox music theory.
If you get the chance to mess around with this stack, I highly recommend it, for those in need of a creative, yet focused state of mind.
Any feed back would be more than welcome!