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[Renegader]

Hey guys,

Just a question: I've been taking the following together (one in the morning and one in the afternoon):
750mg Aniracetam
300mg Pramiracetam
750mg Oxiracetam
10mg Noopept
Alpha Brain
Epiphany D1 (just on an empty stomach in the morning)
as well as a multivitamin, fish oil capsule and Gingko and Brahmi.

I've been taking it for at least 2 months now and I haven't really noticed any negative effects maybe except sleeping longer than usual. I'm just curious if anyone else has tried this stack and if it's a good idea to keep going on with it.

[Nattzor]

Why take the Alpha Brain and Epiphany D1?

[Heh]

Why Oxiracetam? I hear it interacts with and lowers the effect of the other racetams (with the exception of Piracetam). Maybe try 500mg Aniracetam, 150mg Pramiracetam, and 20mg Noopept, unless you are experiencing good results, in which case just keep doing what works. There should be no negative effects from combining these, save one lowering the effect of the others as I previously mentioned. I don't know anything about Epiphany D1 or Alpha Brain.

Edited by Joel, 13 May 2013 - 11:11 AM.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I haven't heard of Oxiracetam limiting the effects of other racetams, and I've used it alongside Phenylpiracetam on numerous occasions. Your dosing looks alright, and the Alpha Brain will help you with some of your choline sources and it has some Aniracetam or Oxiracetam I believe. You shouldn't notice any kind of side effects, but since you're taking some of the more potent racetams you might notice some sort of drowsiness. I've talked to a lot of people that experienced this when going from no nootropics to taking Aniracetam or Pramiracetam. With noopept, try it with the 10mg at first and just slowly add more until you find your spot with it. Personally I take 15mg of Noopept a day, with 1,500mg of Neuro Wave Aniracetam in my stack. I haven't noticed any sort of negative effects, and since I've added the Noopept it's been steadily improving.

[Renegader]

I haven't heard of Oxiracetam limiting the effects of other racetams, and I've used it alongside Phenylpiracetam on numerous occasions. Your dosing looks alright, and the Alpha Brain will help you with some of your choline sources and it has some Aniracetam or Oxiracetam I believe. You shouldn't notice any kind of side effects, but since you're taking some of the more potent racetams you might notice some sort of drowsiness. I've talked to a lot of people that experienced this when going from no nootropics to taking Aniracetam or Pramiracetam. With noopept, try it with the 10mg at first and just slowly add more until you find your spot with it. Personally I take 15mg of Noopept a day, with 1,500mg of Neuro Wave Aniracetam in my stack. I haven't noticed any sort of negative effects, and since I've added the Noopept it's been steadily improving.

I haven't experienced any negative side effects at all, but what I've found is that I can sleep for 10+ hours without an alarm and I still feel very groggy when I'm in bed. The groggy feeling goes away after I finally get the strength to get out of bed and after around 10 minutes I feel completely awake and I can always last the whole day without feeling tired. It's just that when I wake up I ALWAYS feel tired and I find it extremely hard to get out of bed, that's what sucks. Any idea?

[Godof Smallthings]

My first idea is to mentally tell yourself before going to bed that you will wake at a certain time, and trust that it will happen. It may sound too simple (I thought so when I first head the suggestion), but it actually works for me. I have an alarm set just in case, but I find that I do wake up anyway, around 5 min before the alarm goes off.

Edited by Godof Smallthings, 14 May 2013 - 08:33 AM.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I sometimes feel groggy in the morning when I first wake up. Typically I do some stretches or light work out to get the blood flowing. Also a hearty breakfast can help with that drowsy feeling when first waking.

[guyonabuffalo]

A cold shower will wake you up in the morning.
They're supposed to help with depression as well.

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Haha a cold shower can wake you up at just about any time. I'm terrified of cold water though, it seems to cause me to have panic attacks when it runs over my head.

[Adaptogen]

Haha a cold shower can wake you up at just about any time. I'm terrified of cold water though, it seems to cause me to have panic attacks when it runs over my head.

I know that feeling.. i wonder what the cause is

[Sanguine_Rogue]

I'm assuming anxiety or something. I have ASD/SAD so I tend to be prone to panic attacks. Most of the time lately I've been able to manage with it, however cold water is one thing that just completely freaks me out. I feel like I'm drowning when cold water runs over my head lol.

[Ultravioletbllc]

I would absolutely 100 pct trade out the oxiracetam and replace with piracetam that's my stack pram ani piri and noopept plus a variety of other stack specific nutrients as well ( for instance my stack has a variety of pro dopamine/( I use cdp choline Alcar folic acid and rhodiola with occasional cAMP , l dopa and yohimbine for dopa ) and pro GABA/ergics picamilon theanine super low dose glutamic acid with p5p phenibut magnesium l threonate inositol and raw GABA ........ Experienced all positive results with this will elaborate in separate post specific too stack

[blueinfinity]

geez, I was looking for a beginners guide to nootropics and I ran into this thread researching other possibilities.

I was considering piracetam, aniracetam, oxiracetam or any ONE racetam, not all of these at once,

What are your effects/thoughts after having tried this?

I've heard people saying that it is best to try one for a couple weeks then move to another

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Start with just Piracetam first, it takes some time for its effects to start to be apparent, however it has a wide range of benefits and is fairly easy for one to adjust to in the early stages without causing any form of negative effects that could cause it to be ineffective when first starting.

[VIGOR]

I've had the best results using oxiracetam, noopept. After the innitial anxiety explosion oxi-seems to give to a lot of people, myself included, it provides me with a lot of focus and fewer headaches than prami-... though if your a fan of the color green go for the prami- " in place of" the oxi-

[Sanguine_Rogue]

Yea I actually really liked oxiracetam, noopept, and phenylpiracetam with a coffee and some Neuro Breeze L-Theanine. The l-theanine helped a lot with the combo I'm taking in regards to the initial moments of starting to notice the effects. I never really ever felt too anxious however.

[Nootriment.com]

geez, I was looking for a beginners guide to nootropics and I ran into this thread researching other possibilities.

I was considering piracetam, aniracetam, oxiracetam or any ONE racetam, not all of these at once,

What are your effects/thoughts after having tried this?

I've heard people saying that it is best to try one for a couple weeks then move to another

If you're using Nootropics for the first time, consider doing Piracetam + Choline on its own for about two weeks to get acclimated. Then try adding one other racetam - Aniracetam or Oxiracetam - at first to guage result before doing a PAO stack with all three. That way you can figure out which ones are actually giving you the benefits you want and hopefully save yourself some cash if you are not getting your desired results!

[Ultravioletbllc]

I would start with aniracetam fish oil and cdp choline but that's just me ..... I am even if only mentally "addicted" too piracetam I get urges to constantly redose as the effects of the last dose wear off ,racetam therapy has been the only non GABA related route that is on any level "sucessful" in treating my anxiety ( oxiracetam excluded)

[helluva nootro]

Don't you guys find cycling your noopept more effective? id also swap out the oxiracetam and increase the noopept dosage or include piracetam. I have taken noopept in small and OD dose, I find around 20-25mg it kicks up a level

[Renegader]

Don't you guys find cycling your noopept more effective? id also swap out the oxiracetam and increase the noopept dosage or include piracetam. I have taken noopept in small and OD dose, I find around 20-25mg it kicks up a level

Why do you recommend taking out Oxi? Also, by 20-25mg do you mean that once or twice a day?

[Godof Smallthings]

The problem if you take a huge stack at once is that you do not give yourself a chance to find out how the individual compounds affect you. I think a lot of people take too many things at once too fast.

Now, if somebody has gradually arrived at a large stack by carefully trying each supplement and how it interacts with others to find the absolute sweet spot for them, then that is one thing, but it seems many people go by the idea 'MOAR must be MOAR' - which is usually not true.

You may be spending more money than necessary, taking more pills than necessary, and in the worst case scenario, get worse results than you would just taking a few carefully tested supplements.

Listen to your body, notice how the supplements work IN YOU and base your stack on that.

[FocusPocus]

The problem if you take a huge stack at once is that you do not give yourself a chance to find out how the individual compounds affect you. I think a lot of people take too many things at once too fast.

Now, if somebody has gradually arrived at a large stack by carefully trying each supplement and how it interacts with others to find the absolute sweet spot for them, then that is one thing, but it seems many people go by the idea 'MOAR must be MOAR' - which is usually not true.

You may be spending more money than necessary, taking more pills than necessary, and in the worst case scenario, get worse results than you would just taking a few carefully tested supplements.

Listen to your body, notice how the supplements work IN YOU and base your stack on that.

solid advice. thanks

[robosapiens]

Don't you guys find cycling your noopept more effective? id also swap out the oxiracetam and increase the noopept dosage or include piracetam. I have taken noopept in small and OD dose, I find around 20-25mg it kicks up a level

I have found that continuous small doses for weeks on end 5 >10 mg every 3 hours, have opened up the potential of noopept, it continues to astound me in its subtle effects.

I am taking low dose Ani and prami ( 50 to 100 mg) with it now as well to even out the sea-saw effects.

I'm going to stick to Prami for just before sleep, it doesn't play well with my high caffeine habit.