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#1 noos

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 10:23 PM


Anyone has more data about this effect of heat on depression? (go to minute 11)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDvAsp3ySEo&feature=player_detailpage#t=685s

Dr. Charles Raison "Coming to our Senses: Rethinkng How We Understand and Treat Depression". Dr. Raison is an Associate Professor at the University of Arizona Department of Psychiatry, in the College of Medicine. He is also the Barry and Janet Lang Associate Professor at the John and Doris Norton School of Family and Consumer Sciences at the University of Arizona.


I think the colleague he mentions is Christopher A. Lowry
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Two hours at 145 ºF (63 ºC) looks like torture :)

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:07 AM

Do you have a transcript? Videos take too long to watch.
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#3 noos

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 01:11 AM

Do you have a transcript? Videos take too long to watch.


Go to min 11 as I said. It takes 3 min.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:53 AM

Dr. Raison makes the very important point; that many cases of depression have some strong biological bases. I am most grateful that at least he makes a comment about that. There may be detoxification processes involved.

Try saunas, working out in the heat, hot springs, intense sweaty workouts (not long ones, just really sweaty). If you decide to do these strategies, make sure you drink lots of pure water. For those who have detox issues (especially of heavy metal accumulation) you really need the extra fluid coursing through your bloodstream and cells for a long time. Your organs, i.e. kidneys, liver, and heart especially need the extra water to help get the toxins headed out of your body.

My best mood days have always been after I've sweated a few rounds (in the sun) during exercise and before resting. Second best mood days have been a day at a hot springs, Third best mood days are after a hot bath, ideally with Epsom salts This (hot bath) is usually a therapeutic strategy for low mood and/or anxiety after everything else has failed. It is always helpful, it raises body tempurature, and will make me feel somewhat better. But it doesn't compare to a day in the sun when I've been active, sweating profusely, and drinking lots of water and weak white and red tea.

I think heat therapy alone is pretty powerful, but if integrated with sun (Vit D) and water, may be a very basic healing strategy for "brain disorders" like depression.


Even though I don't advocate sweat lodges for others, I totally understand why it can be so profoundly therapeutic, Throw in a few wisely chosen plant medicines, strong intention to heal, and a safe strategy to deal with crises and it is easy to understand why some people experience complete turn-arounds in their mental/physical health status following sweat lodges.

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#5 noos

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 09:14 AM

Good point, I also like to sweat when running, there must be something beneficial beyond mental.

I tried sauna and was very difficult to tolerate. It was dry and was alone.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

Cycling between hot and cold also works wonders. Turn the shower to scalding, then back to freezing with more emphasis on the freezing cycle. Blood rushes to the surface of the skin with heat, and rushes deep inside with coolness - so to speak; more like capillaries dilating and contracting. This expansion-contraction is very important.


IME depression is a state of numbness to the world, numbness to all sensory input. If it is not quite biological in origin, I can see heat therapy still working. A depressed person needs a jolt to wake them up and stir them to life. The problem is that the jolt must hit home and must hit hard, which by the nature of depression is a magnificent task. The visceral feeling of heat torching the body is a good jolt though! Getting the organs flowing, switched on and eliminating waste is essential whether the problem is biological or not primarily.



When it's super hot and I'm saturated with water both inside and outside there is a feeling of the body working at maximum capacity in organ flow. Contrast that to a cold dead dark winter where the body just stagnates. I am of the understanding that stagnant body flows are generally responsible for most of the deletrious effects of modern day life and this is what causes ageing to wear the body much faster than the body needs.



I think it would take a little extra time. With these kinds of therapies, also with stretching/exercise, there appear to be zones of change. From low intensity to moderate or likewise with duration, there is generally an acute change in living but long-lasting effects are quickly overwhelmed by stagnation. When you are stretching, say your chest, the first 30s stretching will do good and release the muscles and make you breathe better for a little while. But to truly gleam benefits you have to stretch past the Pain Zone™. A two minute stretch at a time has much better effects, much more lasting effects that will make genuine long-term change occur. Likewise with hot/cold showers - if you jump into the shower and wipe yourself down, the outside of your skin feels clean. But if you stay there long enough to get your fingers wrinkly and wet, there is a huge difference. Now the shower feels like it has not only cleansed every square inch outside your body, but the magic starts working inside the body and you feel like you are being scrubbed from the inside out! But to do this you have to pretty much remain in the Pain Zone™ and endure discomfort. The measure of the discomfort you endure is the measure of the reward you endure.


The time required to feel first benefits is always generally less than the time needed for maximal benefit. You need to sit there, and let the practice work its magic on your system whether that practice is stretching, meditation, exercise or heat therapy. In meditation this is exceptionally pronounced. If you sit down in meditation for 20 minutes, yes you may calm your mind. But soon as you get up it will be back to the same old bizz, just a little quieter. But if you sit down and meditate, and breathe so you progressively become more and more relaxed, taking exceptional care to totally appreciate the sinking, the relaxing, to direct your mental energy exclusively towards this and this alone, then you may soon find that even if you had intended to sit for 5-20 mins, you had actually been there for hours. The hours pass by yet nothing has moved. And when you get up from a meditation like that, you will often experience heightened visual acuity and geometric phenomena, a state of 'deafening silence' which presents a calm and peaceful demeanour for the rest of the day or even week. The difference between this and 20 mins scripted practice is incredible. 20mins just works... but truly, dissolving with the flow - that works miracles and wonders, truly divine.



IME depression is also a tendency to shy away from sensory extremes. A person seeks to do nothing, not to really move or in any way aggravate the internal mental torture. But this is what amplifies it. This is why going for a HIIT sprint can abate the melancholy for a little bit, as the jolt in heart rate & strenousness exerts a strong BDNF releasing flow which results in neurogenesis perhaps to adapt to this novel stress. My own depression was like a total desensitisation to the world but it arose from one core principle. My body did not KNOW what real stress was. Yes, owing your life savings in debt, or having a partner leaving you are major stressors. It's hard to get these things off your chest. You know what's even harder to get off your chest? 400lbs.


Cortisol sensitivity training, the watchword of the day

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 04:19 PM

Interesting, It'll be interesting to see where this leads.





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