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[charisma]

Here's what I'm taking as of now:

Wellbutrin 150mg x2
Piracetam 1600mg x2
Aniracetam 750mg x2
DMAE 200mg x2
GABA 2g a half hour before bed
ALCAR 800mg x2
Choline Citrate 1000mg x2
L-Theanine 600mg
Ginkgo Biloba 240mg
Huperzine A 100mcg
Vinpocetine 20mg
Lecithin 1200mg
Coenzyme Q10 50mg x2
B-150 B-complex vitamin with Pantothenic Acid x2
Extra B-12 100mcg x3
GNC Multivitamin


I'm not completely sure about dosages, if I'm correct on them all. And some of them have to be taken with food, some of them on an empty stomach, and I'm not clear on which ones are which.

One last question, the Piracetam, Aniracetam, DMAE, GABA, ALCAR, Choline Citrate and L-Theanine I'm measuring the powder and putting it in a bottled water and shaking it up. Is that ok? It tastes bad, but I can take that. Just want to make sure it's as effective that way.

Thanks for any help.
Charisma

Edited by charisma, 19 May 2005 - 12:07 PM.

[blaise]

My stack is very similar to yours (minus the Welbutrin). I would be very interested in anyones opinion on this. Especially mixing them all together at once and drinking them down. Is this O.K.?

[LifeMirage]

Here's what I'm taking as of now:

Wellbutrin 150mg x2
Piracetam 1600mg x2
Aniracetam 750mg x2
DMAE 200mg x2
GABA 540mg a half hour before bed
ALCAR 800mg x2
Choline Citrate 1000mg x2
L-Theanine 600mg
Ginkgo Biloba 240mg
Huperzine A 100mcg
Vinpocetine 20mg
Lecithin 1200mg
Coenzyme Q10 50mg x2
B-150 B-complex vitamin with Pantothenic Acid x2
Extra B-12 100mcg x3
GNC Multivitamin

Not a bad combo...

With food (Aniracetam, Vinpocetine, CoQ10, and your multi of course).

I would strongly recommend replacing your GABA with Theanine...more proven benefits.

[wannafulfill]

Charisma, how do you feel on that stack? Anything of notice? My doctors have been trying to get me to take wellbutrin for a while now and I've been reluctant. I guess I feared interactions or dependence with my stack, which is a lot like yours, except I use centro instead of DMAE and Alpha GPC as my only choline.

[spider]

Hello Charisma,

Because you are using ALCAR, it will be better for you to add about 300 mg of RALA or K-RALA.

[susmariosep]

I am a babe here.


I eat a balance diet as I know one from my experience and from reading, but of course critically of healthy diet.

I abstain completely from so-called diet supplements, but I have some friends who take diet supplements religiously.

And being a busybody inclined person which I maintain is normal with conscious rational entities unlike such ones consigned to the mental hospital, I tell these friends to concentrate on balanced diet, developing a good psyche, and to engage in physical activities, which should save them a lot from the pocketbook, and give a good break to their liver, kidneys, and bladder, and other systems and assorted organs in their physiology.

That word, stack, does it refer to a regime of such substances you guys take regularly to enhance, the word right? your life and operation?

And are they essentially what the FDA would approve as food supplements?

The end product to make you guys live happier lives and longer lives?

What do you guys say?


If you have to give me a slap, do it on my wrist; because I am exercising my natural right to ask questions of people engaged in what I might consider exotic intake of chemicals, all in the name of achieving knowledge and maybe wisdom.

Susma

[scottl]

Susma,

I've started a thread to answer your questions rather then do it in this thread:

http://www.imminst.o...t=0

[wannafulfill]

I am a babe here.


That word, stack, does it refer to a regime of such substances you guys take regularly to enhance, the word right? your life and operation?

And are they essentially what the FDA would approve as food supplements?

The end product to make you guys live happier lives and longer lives?

What do you guys say?

Susma

I'll field this one. [thumb]
You posed excellent questions that deserve a pat on the back rather than a slap on the wrist. I think you described quite well the purposes for which I take my "stack" - to enhance my life and operation. Essentially, the foundation of the supplements I take are antioxidants and antiglycation agents. The beneficial effect of various anti-oxidant substances have been well documented by medical literature and cause a reduction in oxidative stress, which has been implicated in all sorts of diseases as well as in the aging process.

Nootropics are the focus of this forum and many of them have similar health benefits but are purported to have some additional effects in terms of aiding the brain. This is an area I have been a little confused over and still am. The brain is enormously complex and governs everything we experience. Therefore, what exactly each substance does to us is very hard to completely understand. What we do know, however, is that various chemicals have been evaluated by scientific standards for things like memory. These effects are what many of us seek in choosing and sticking with a given combination of drugs.

It is impossible to say if these supplements are able to extend our lives on an individual basis, but data from certain drugs, like selegeline and certain antioxidants, has demonstrated such potential in rats and other animals.

Happiness is also super-subjective and I don't believe my supplementation has helped me very much in that realm. The more I learn, the more I realize in my opinion that the information that can be shared by a forum like this is very constrained by what we do not know. I think they are very important for sharing subjective experiences and spreading what doctors and researchers have learned to a lay audience, but SO many questions are still unanswerable. For example: is it a good idea for someone my age (22) to take l-deprenyl if I have no physiological disease? I can find out certain things, but until I try it, I won't even know if I like the way it makes me feel. Even then, I may be unaware if it is a "good idea" because of potential long term effects which I can't assess.

[LifeMirage]

I am a babe here.

I'm a dude here. =)

I eat a balance diet as I know one from my experience and from reading, but of course critically of healthy diet.

I abstain completely from so-called diet supplements, but I have some friends who take diet supplements religiously.

diet pills are far as weight loss are to be taken very carefully depending on the compound.

And being a busybody inclined person which I maintain is normal with conscious rational entities unlike such ones consigned to the mental hospital, I tell these friends to concentrate on balanced diet, developing a good psyche, and to engage in physical activities, which should save them a lot from the pocketbook, and give a good break to their liver, kidneys, and bladder, and other systems and assorted organs in their physiology.

Many of those are good goals to have.

And are they essentially what the FDA would approve as food supplements?

Many are and some are not.

The end product to make you guys live happier lives and longer lives?

Ahh happiness lies within ones mind to allow, but as far as reducing the risk of age related diseases and improving health yes.

What do you guys say?

Aging has only one outcome...death. Anything I can do within scientific reason to slow this process down I will.

If you have to give me a slap, do it on my wrist; because I am exercising my natural right to ask questions of people engaged in what I might consider exotic intake of chemicals, all in the name of achieving knowledge and maybe wisdom.

Susma

Your inquisitive nature is appreciated, we must all question ourselves and others every now and then to enable us to better understand and explain our own actions. How else would we know if we were right or wrong in a matter?

[charisma]

Charisma, how do you feel on that stack?  Anything of notice?  My doctors have been trying to get me to take wellbutrin for a while now and I've been reluctant.  I guess I feared interactions or dependence with my stack, which is a lot like yours, except I use centro instead of DMAE and Alpha GPC as my only choline.

I feel great so far. I just started a few days ago. But I had what I suppose you would describe as chronic pain, and that's all but gone now. I wasn't sleeping well and now I am. I was smoking and now I've quit, when I've failed several times before. My mind is so clear compared to what it was before.

Colors are brighter, my field of vision feels larger. For example, I've lived in my house for a year and a half now, and I was taking a bath and suddenly I've noticed that I really need to paint in there because it's still so white. But before I never really noticed it and it never bothered me.

I can smell things I never noticed before. Actually all my perceptions are off the charts compared to where they were.

And I've done research on everything I'm taking, they've been in use for years and most of them are things that naturally occur in your body anyway. I must have been very deficient in a lot of things before.

And best of all, everything feels really healthy and natural. I too was under the impression that stuffing myself with chemicals was a road to disaster, but I don't have the idea now that that's really what I'm doing. If it was something that sped up my heart I would think twice about it, or something that threw off my body chemistry. But it feels more like what I'm doing now is aiding my body to work the way that it was naturally meant to work. I'm not fighting my body or forcing it beyond its limits, it feels more like I'm in harmony with the way people were meant to live.

[chelovd]

Just a few desultory comments inspired by Susma after a long, exhausting day of work:

The last statement by LifeMirage reminds me of that quote attributed to Socrates: "an unexamined life is not worth living" Susma, your contribution is appreciated.

To me your questions instigate in me certain philosophical formulations that I, nonchalantly, entertain occasionally. To me these supplements are more like tools for my own ends. Happiness is rather illusive and looking at it in a simplistic way, it can be the frequent occurrence of well-being overtime. I ask myself wheather I would prefer happiness over intelligence. I know they are not mutually exclusive. But, if I were to choose one, I rather choose the second one. I complement physical optimization with meditation and a healthy social life. Longevity is appealing, and if that is achieved safely, meaning I can indeed prolong my life, why not giving it a try. Managing risk is key to me. Central to all, for me, wheather I like it or not, is power, ego, and instint. I'm living a satisfying life for now

[charisma]

I think I'm going to drop the L-Theanine to 200mg, 600 is too much. And I'm going to get rid of the lecithin altogether. Anyone have an opinion on that?

Also, does anyone see anything else I'm missing? Spider says RALA or K-RALA so I'll check into that. I'm thinking about adding Pyritinol too.

I'm mainly trying to get my head as clear as possible and improve my circulation, and add as much energy as I can without doing anything like ephedrine or caffeine. I drink some caffeine now but I don't want to supplement it.

Thanks again for all the replies.

[charisma]

Oh, one other thing. Is there anything that's supposed to be helpful for motivation? I heard Galantamine but I've never tried it. Anyone have any success stories with Galantamine or anything else for motivation?

[susmariosep]

A possible derail and gossip.


Thanks for your wonderful replies that have added to my knowledge and wisdom.

If I may, and pray the powers here to be indulgent, do you know about Buddhism?

Are any of you people here into Buddhism of any stripe, like Zen or whatever, provided its into Nirvana.

I am myself not, and I find it a most absurd and absolutely preposterous nonsense of a philosophy and religion.

Now, in regard to what you people are after, a happy long life or even never-ending one, for which you are spending money on for chemical concoctions to ingest, please tell me what you think of Buddhism and its Nirvana.

Nirvana is one of those things in religion and philosophy which their advocates essentially after volumes and volumes of words tell us is inexplainable or ineffable, but they always use this analogy: when you reach Nirvana you will be extinguished like a candle flame put out by a gust of wind -- no more sorrow, no more pain, no more nothing because no more reincarnation (the more correct word, the better informed and more enlightened ones into Buddhism who claim or act themselves to be, tell us should be rebirth).

Any opinion or policy from you people about Buddhism? and your may I say determination by chemically formulated substances to add to your years and to make your years happier?


About those chemicals to prolong and enhance biological life, do you know of researchers who are into finding easily and cheaply available plant or herbal or vegetable or fruit equivalents or containing the chemicals within their composition; because I certainly want to enhance my length of years and my quality of years, but for a bargain on easily if available natural plants, or herbs, or vegetables, or fruits.

Thanks for your information and tips, and pray the powers here to not delete or clip this post and put it in the Catcher section.

And apologies to guys here who feel inconvenienced by this probably rude intrusion from a babe in Nootropics.


Before I sign off, may I ask you if you know Nootropi which many a guy here into Nootropics loves to hate, and wants banned from this forum, is he still around? (This is gossip according to some powers that be here, but pray to them that they will not take unkindly to me for bringing it up here.)


Susma

[spider]

"I'm mainly trying to get my head as clear as possible and improve my circulation..."

Picamilon is a good substance for improving cerebral blood flow, it is even more effective than hydergine, vinpocetin or ginko biloba.

[scottl]

Susma,

There are many substances in fruits and vegetables especially differently colored (e.g. red, orange and yellow peppers, green veggies, different colored berries, purple cabbage, yellow squash...) fruits and veggies which have health promoting qualities.

There are also certain healthful fats e.g. those foundin fatty fish salmon and sardines and extra virgin olive oil.

If you are interested in maximizing....health promotion however there is no way around taking things in pills/capsules. No one is saying you have to do this of course. But fruits, veggies and other healthful foods will only go so far. Your call.


Happiness can not be won from a pill. One needs to seek this elsewhere.

I find nature and music helpful.

[charisma]

Thanks Spider, you've been very helpful.

Susma, check out the Alkalarian lifestyle, you can do a google search for it. I've been on it for a long time but I've been deficient in a lot of nutrients, so I've recently started supplementing, and it's worked out for me. But true Alkalarians don't ingest anything you would classify as a 'chemical'. I only do a few that have been backed by a lot of research. All my other supplements are things that occur naturally in the body, I just don't have enough of them.

[chelovd]

Hi Susma,

An "organic" diet will surely will get you far. Some of us take a very pragmatic approach and are less conventional. For me, even meditation takes a maverick nature where I'm not probing an ethereal aspect of it, not trying to reach a Nirvana or Enlightment. I'm not even demarcating contradictions in any concept of religious connotations. Human nature is way broad and it takes character to live fully.