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[lukem5]

I started using noopept on and off about 4-5 months ago. I can no longer say I am the person I once was. I feel almost like i'm empty inside, there are still things in life that bring me joy, but it is almost like a black and white sort of joy. There's no substance to it, it doesn't feel like it used to, to catch a fish, to feel the thrill of surfing, flying, skydiving, everything is just kind of blank, and life moves seamlessly around me, at a much faster rate it seems as well. Its almost as if life has become unimportant and meaningless,but I still continue on, for the experience of achieving my life goals.

On the other hand noopept has virtually cured my social anxiety, yes it is still there, but now more often times than not I find myself having an actual conversation with a person rather than an extremely awkward one. I'm sure my awkwardness still comes out at times but it certainly isn't as bad as it used to be. I notice the memory enhancement, I can bring things up I learned not too long ago better. I would say more but I have too little experience with it at this point.

I suppose I am at the point of no return, and I will start a 10 mg 3x a day regimen soon and update this thread as time goes on.

But this new me, it worries me in many ways. I look at the Russians, who use noopept en masse, and notice that they lack a certain human quality, its almost as if they no longer have a soul.


Noopept is powerful, if you are thinking about taking it, know this, it will change you. It will enhance your memory, it may eliminate your social anxiety, and god knows what else it may do to you.

[InBetween]

Had the same experience with 6g pira and megadoses of choline.

[penisbreath]

I look at the Russians, who use noopept en masse, and notice that they lack a certain human quality, its almost as if they no longer have a soul.

What a preposterous generalization.

[Strelok]

I look at the Russians, who use noopept en masse, and notice that they lack a certain human quality, its almost as if they no longer have a soul.

What a preposterous generalization.

Yea, lol, I got a hearty LOL out of that one. It's sad to see how people can come to conclusions based off the whims of their imagination.

[robosapiens]

Some people feel that dramatic mood swings make them feel more human, this is simply a matter of preconditioned expectations - what was "normal"

[Layberinthius]

No no no you are all wrong, its the Choline!!! Its interacting with Noopept!

I feel like I'm on a suicidal mania, after taking noopept for a month at 10mg/day and recently adding Choline into the mix.

I was fine with just the noopept, I've noticed the biggest symptom to be that I no longer feel that highway speeds are in anyway dangerous or life threatening, infact I feel like they are really slow speeds. Which is a good symptom, I no longer feel like I am full of anxiety all of the time while driving, I feel like I can control the anxiety that is normally associated with driving, instead of letting it control me.

But I'm not even sure its real Choline, and there is no way to be sure WHAT it is.

It could still be the noopept, I feel the same changes as the OP has seen, but I've marked it down as being a part of my shitty life, for example: even if you are smarter because of the Noopept it doesnt mean its going to make you happier if you have a shitty life already.

I live on a matress in a shed, I steal electricity, its not a good existence.

Edited by Layberinthius, 30 September 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[lukem5]

YES I almost forgot, noopept brings on suicidal thoughts/depression. Dangerously so, to the point where you might actually kill yourself.



so layberinthius you are saying that the noopept gives you suicidal thoughs only when taking choline?

[Layberinthius]

The jury is still out yet on wether or not what it is, give me a few weeks.

What happened was, I had two cups of tea, and I'm not good on caffeine and while coming off it it usually triggers a depressive spiral, but i can usually always get myself out of it.

Now, fast forward a few days and I am still moody and depressive and suicidal, but I should have snapped out of it by now, instead I'm lashing out at friends on facebook, complaining that I'm really REALLY lonely and cannot find a partner, I feel like I am far more likely to concentrate on the depression and feed off of it to give me pleasure, to feed off of the pleasure that comes from hurting others.

I'm not sure what triggered it, but I was coming off caffeine, caffeine has this effect on me regardless what I take, and now I cannot seem to get out of the spiral as easily as I used to.

For a day or two before I drank the two cups of tea I was taking Choline, only a very small allery test dose, but even then it felt like it was taking control away from my councious mind, so I am cutting out EVERYTHING from my diet and am going to add noopept later on again IF I feel that I can handle it.

So it could be either caffeine/noopept, or noopept/choline, or all 3, OR Caffeine/Choline.

I suspect it was all 3 OR Caffeine/Choline. BECAUSE I drank some pepsi a week previously and it didn't affect me, however it is difficult to be sure because at this point I was only on Noopept for 2 weeks. (I have been on Noopept for 4 weeks now.

Now its just a matter of digging myself out of this depressive spiral.

Sorry if none of this makes sense to anyone, I'm in a depressive spiral so what can you do!

I'm just gonna try and sleep it off and see what I feel like tomorrow, if i'm still depressed I'll go to a clinic.

I found that exercise helps me feel a bit better, typically endorpins will make me feel better anyway, but this stops me from 'idolizing' feeling sad. So its definatley depression of some sort.

I'm normally not really depressed, so this is a first for me being depressed all of the time, I hope I can shake it again.

one good thing about noopept was that it dramatically increased my sex drive, so considering it is THAT influential on me, that it triggered depression is just a small fact when you think about it. I think that whats going on is because I didnt take my dose this morning I feel like I am going back to what I am normally like, but I am more aware of my shitty life now than I was before because my brain has been repaired, whereas before I was less aware of my living situations.

So hopefully if I had to remain off of it, there is hope at the end of the tunnel, my brain can adapt again back to being ignorant of my shitty life, But it may take years.

Edited by Layberinthius, 30 September 2013 - 10:04 AM.

[Layberinthius]

Its the noopept. But...

Caffeine, or rather coming off caffeine, triggered a manic depressive episode in me. Similar to how coming off or going on certian anti-depressants, except this one crept up on me.

I was less aware of its effects, which could have been the Choline, I've found that it does have that effect on me. Which is attributed to the feeling that it crept up on me.

I'm afraid of taking my next dose of Noopept tho, its kind of stressful even at 10mg/day, this is with the genuine russian stuff that they ship out in blister packs.

I also felt a certian addiction towards it, it felt addictive for a while there, its not as strong as opiates or tobacco tho, its still concerning tho, if its going to have a negative effect on me then I dont want to have ANY addictive potential.

I wonder if its not actually GBH or some other drug that they are putting in there, dunno, I'm not that experienced with GBH but the symptoms seem to be similar.

Edited by Layberinthius, 30 September 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Sinn]

Frist time I hear those stuff about noopept.
But to me its rather simple soulution.
If it gets you down in any way/shape or form, simply stop using it and find better solution.
For social anxiety I ve read aniracetam does some good stuff ( keyboard jokey here, since i never tired it ), however there are tons of ppl here who tested all sort of stuff and have better understanding how this chemicalls work than me.
So why not starting a thread and find out alternaitves to noopept?

My 2 cents

[▲420MD]

I'm afraid of taking my next dose of Noopept tho, its kind of stressful even at 10mg/day, this is with the genuine russian stuff that they ship out in blister packs.

I also felt a certian addiction towards it, it felt addictive for a while there, its not as strong as opiates or tobacco tho, its still concerning tho, if its going to have a negative effect on me then I dont want to have ANY addictive potential.

I wonder if its not actually GBH or some other drug that they are putting in there, dunno, I'm not that experienced with GBH but the symptoms seem to be similar.

I want to second Nootropics can have an addictive nature in SOME users, but there are also massively laced bulk powders floating vendor to vendor. MDPV was found in some choline a week back - thats uh, some real strong choline for grandma.

Noopept is "more-ish", that's the term to describe a drug like cocaine, or other drugs with short half lives. Give an opiate addict fentanyl and they'll be WIRED.
I don't know why noopept is "more-ish" but I believe it lays directly with the monoamines - smoke a cigarette or have a nicotine patch and feel the dopamine surge. Thats why I think its moreish, somehow it's potentiating neurotransmission.

But, on the other hand - real, quality noopept has really helped me in noticeable ways. It is for people who actually need it, if you take noopept you may end up autistic for example - the stuff is a promotor of neurosteroids and too many links in the brain can lead to hyper-activity, seizures, profound changes. After an epileptic seizure the level of these steroids rise massively in blood to repair damaged neurons and cells. Nooept is similar. I am epileptic and the stuff can restore my memory of events to the point where I have surprised paramedics and neurologists. The only beef with these compounds is that there is some sort of political game limiting these compounds from the US. These drugs can reverse parkinsons, cure depression and anxiety, possibly addictions. Its overlooked and there is more to it.

For healthy people, they make stimulants that work with your monoamines to release them faster. For unhealthy people - some compounds can regenerate what is not there or is damaged.

Edited by 420MD, 30 September 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[protoject]

Some people feel that dramatic mood swings make them feel more human, this is simply a matter of preconditioned expectations - what was "normal"

Oh my god that is totally true, thank you for noticing this haha

[protoject]

I'm afraid of taking my next dose of Noopept tho, its kind of stressful even at 10mg/day, this is with the genuine russian stuff that they ship out in blister packs.

I also felt a certian addiction towards it, it felt addictive for a while there, its not as strong as opiates or tobacco tho, its still concerning tho, if its going to have a negative effect on me then I dont want to have ANY addictive potential.

I wonder if its not actually GBH or some other drug that they are putting in there, dunno, I'm not that experienced with GBH but the symptoms seem to be similar.

I want to second Nootropics can have an addictive nature in SOME users, but there are also massively laced bulk powders floating vendor to vendor. MDPV was found in some choline a week back - thats uh, some real strong choline for grandma.

Noopept is "more-ish", that's the term to describe a drug like cocaine, or other drugs with short half lives. Give an opiate addict fentanyl and they'll be WIRED.
I don't know why noopept is "more-ish" but I believe it lays directly with the monoamines - smoke a cigarette or have a nicotine patch and feel the dopamine surge. Thats why I think its moreish, somehow it's potentiating neurotransmission.

But, on the other hand - real, quality noopept has really helped me in noticeable ways. It is for people who actually need it, if you take noopept you may end up autistic for example - the stuff is a promotor of neurosteroids and too many links in the brain can lead to hyper-activity, seizures, profound changes. After an epileptic seizure the level of these steroids rise massively in blood to repair damaged neurons and cells. Nooept is similar. I am epileptic and the stuff can restore my memory of events to the point where I have surprised paramedics and neurologists. The only beef with these compounds is that there is some sort of political game limiting these compounds from the US. These drugs can reverse parkinsons, cure depression and anxiety, possibly addictions. Its overlooked and there is more to it.

For healthy people, they make stimulants that work with your monoamines to release them faster. For unhealthy people - some compounds can regenerate what is not there or is damaged.

Noopept Moreish? Really? Man, I'm seeing that term floating around a lot lately. Not only do I hate the term (personal preference I guess), but REALLY? Noopept.. addictive. I Totally disagree! It's not moreish at all . I think anyone looking to get high might find anything moreish.

Secondly, I am quite concerned about these strange batch contaminations . I do see some strange political agenda as well. Of course my observations are not backed up by any actual information, just simply paranoia. So: What are you talking about? I heard that this happened with Cerebral Health. ANd it's not even confirmed that there was any MDPV in the supplement as far as I know. It was probably just a horrible mixup.

I would hope that there would never be any kind of political reason for that kind of thing happening, if you know what i mean... or, I would hope that "they" wouldn't use that story for political reasons or tightening up control on the lives of regular people who just want to enhance their cognition or health.

[▲420MD]

My mistake, Cerebral's Pyritinol came back negative and came up with some kind of cathinone. See the report: http://i.imgur.com/cCOCMUs.jpg

/r/eddit thread: http://www.reddit.co...esults_warning/

Back to the addictive noopept thing,
No they definitely aren't putting stim's in batches of noopept, at least not mine. But I feel like it has abuse potential, probably that of caffeine or less honestly. Your not going to get feinding for noopept, you just might want to take another cap to get more effect - thats "more-ish" and can end up badly with psychedelic stimulants, MDMA, and such. I just wanted to chime in on that.

and I mean't that for political reasons the US Medical industrial complex will not allow 'racetams into the market over say Memantine... or Modafinil. It just seems odd to me, Keppra - the only non-nootropic 'racetam is the only one on the western market.
More $$$ for US patents? I don't know to be honest.

[robosapiens]

If feeling better in a vague but noticeable way, vs. not feeling as good, then any pleasurable experience is more'ish.

noopept isn't addictive, period.

Frankly I enjoy being off of it now and then, as my mind is so creative and I have so much more information bandwidth devouring everything I can experience, that sometimes I miss just being dumb - like occasional rare times when I want to watch TV and eat pizza,.

As far as living on a mattress in a shed, and stealing electricity, as not a good existence - Yes, but only compared to our expectations of how things "should be", those expectations are based around a social framework that you have inherited by social conditioning.

We have been paleolithic hunter/gatherers for millennia, our post modern social world is a very new and alien habitat - you are on the internet, communicating globally with other like minded people at nearly the speed of light, and not only understand what nootropics are, you even have access to them!

To me living on a mattress in a shed, and stealing electricity, is a great baseline to build up from, but of course its completely your journey to take, not anyone else's.

[protoject]

It's not confirmed that it came up with some kind of cathione, so I'd refrain from spreading rumors.

[jadamgo]

Its the noopept. But...

Caffeine, or rather coming off caffeine, triggered a manic depressive episode in me. Similar to how coming off or going on certian anti-depressants, except this one crept up on me.

I was less aware of its effects, which could have been the Choline, I've found that it does have that effect on me. Which is attributed to the feeling that it crept up on me.

I'm afraid of taking my next dose of Noopept tho, its kind of stressful even at 10mg/day, this is with the genuine russian stuff that they ship out in blister packs.

I also felt a certian addiction towards it, it felt addictive for a while there, its not as strong as opiates or tobacco tho, its still concerning tho, if its going to have a negative effect on me then I dont want to have ANY addictive potential.

I wonder if its not actually GBH or some other drug that they are putting in there, dunno, I'm not that experienced with GBH but the symptoms seem to be similar.

I'd strongly suggest switching to a different racetam for the time being. Try noopept out again when you're stabilized, but for the time being it certainly doesn't seem to be helping you out any. You might consider buying a bottle of lithium orotate with whatever racetam you buy, and take 10 per day and see if that helps out. Just make sure the bottle says "5mg elemental lithium per tablet." That would give you 100mg elemental lithium per day for a few weeks, which may be all it takes to stabilize a temporary, substance-related mood imbalance. If it works well, you may consider going on a 200-600mg/day lithium carbonate regimen for the next few months. Alternatively, you could try 500mg/day valproate. Either way, you need to get stable before you mess around with powerful things like noopept.

[Xenthide]

I'm sorry, why exactly are you continuing to take it if you're so worried about what it's doing to you?

Also,

I look at the Russians, who use noopept en masse, and notice that they lack a certain human quality, its almost as if they no longer have a soul.

WTF?

I honestly don't think I can write a serious response after that xenophobic ridiculousness.

[▲420MD]

It's not confirmed that it came up with some kind of cathione, so I'd refrain from spreading rumors.

It put someone is the hospital with stimulant psychosis... It might not be a cathinone but it definitely wasn't what they were supposed to be selling.
Order from a company like that if you want, there are plenty of better, more respectable ones around in my opinion.

Stop taking choline with your nootropics if your not going to stop taking them. Some people already have high levels of choline, just like some have high levels of serotonin or dopamine, or noradrenaline...
I had to stop my choline intake with my nootropics because otherwise I had mindblowing, crushing depression. Now I'm off choline but on 50-100mg phenylpiracetam, 4 grams of piracetam and 50mg noopept without issues like headaches or depression and I'm alot better cognition wise.

[2crack]

You should get your noopept tested to ensure its acutally noopept and not something else entirely.

[taktikz]

Noopept didn't do jack shit for me. What brand are you using?

[robosapiens]

Noopept didn't do jack shit for me. What brand are you using?

New Star, and it works great for my GF as well, noop is subtle and builds gradually for some people, its best to take it and forget that you did, until you notice - sometimes it takes a few weeks, but I have found it to be quite life changing.

[taktikz]

Noopept didn't do jack shit for me. What brand are you using?

New Star, and it works great for my GF as well, noop is subtle and builds gradually for some people, its best to take it and forget that you did, until you notice - sometimes it takes a few weeks, but I have found it to be quite life changing.

I used Optimum Cognition which came with NALT + CDP-Choline.
Didn't feel much at all.

[MachiavellianMindset]

Adding choline to noopept was a terrible idea. It caused suicidal depression and it took me about 2 weeks to figure that out. It made me feel as if my world was dark, and I couldn't see the light. 

 

Luckily, after my 2 weeks of crippling depression, I recovered by not taking choline. That was enough to bring me back to normal