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#1 Phoenicis

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 07:26 PM


Hi, I am interested in reversing some hair loss that I've been seeing in the front of my scalp and near the top corners of my temples.

Minoxidil has been around, but I don't see everyone using it. I have seen examples of people showing impovements wih minoxidil but I am a little concerned about the side effects.

Some sources I have found list the side effects as bellow:

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"Minoxidil, a vasodilator medication known for its ability to slow or stop hair loss and promote hair regrowth, was first introduced, exclusively as an oral drug, to treat high blood pressure. It was however discovered to have the important side-effect of increasing growth or darkening of fine body hairs; this led to the development of a topical formulation as a 2% concentration solution for the treatment of female androgenic alopecia or 5% for treating male androgenic alopecia. Measurable changes disappear within months after discontinuation of treatment. The mechanism by which it promotes hair growth is not fully understood. Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener, causing hyperpolarization of cell membranes and it is also a vasodilator, it is speculated that, by widening blood vessels and opening potassium channels, it allows more oxygen, blood and nutrients to the follicle. This can also cause follicles in the telogen phase to shed, usually soon to be replaced by new, thicker hairs in a new anagen phase. It needs to be applied regularly, once or twice daily, for hair gained to be maintained, and side effects are common. The most common adverse reactions of the topical formulation are limited to irritant and allergic contact dermatitis on the scalp. There have been cases of allergic reactions to the nonactive ingredient propylene glycol, which is found in some topical solution especially if they are galenic. Increased hair loss which can occur during Minoxidil use, is due to the synchronization of the hair cycle that the treatment induces. In this review, we described its mechanism of action, use in dermatology and some patents related to alternative treatment of allergic reactions due to its use."

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Those are not the side effects that I am concerned about. I have found countless reports on hair loss forums of people complaining aboout their facial skin aging about 10-20 years after using this product for about 12 months. I want to work out how plausible these account are based on scientific evidence. That is not to say that user accounts of adverse reactions are not wanted, but the primary goal is to come up with a scientific explanation.

Here is what a google scholar search revealed in relation to minoxidil and supression of collagen synthesis:

In this study minoxidil was studied in cell cultures, it was noted that "some or all of these effects may be relevant to hair growth, but the application of results obtained in cell culture studies to the complex biology of the hair follicle is uncertain."

it goes on to say:In a In Vivo study on minoxidil for the treatment of eyebrows, supession of collagen synthesis is noted. This is obviosly not cell culture, so this may be cause for concern:My thoughts:

I think there is also the issue of whether the minoxidil is absorbed systematically or not. The effects that people are describing include wrinkles, eye rings, and weight loss. Some people have also hypothesized that the foam is more easily systematically absorbed than the liquid. Enhanced absobtion has been studied alot over the past years, could it be that the foam may penetrate more?

I am wondering if tretinoin could possibily counter these effects. I am not talking about using it to increase absorbtion throught the scalp, but rather to reduce any wrinkles on the face due to collagen loss. I am however worried because there is always a risk that the minoxidil can spread to the face via the pillow in bed. The tretinoin would then increase it's absorbtion into the facial area, which would be a big no no.

Overall, I'm just not sure whether the benefits would outweigh the risks. I miss my hair so much but unfortunately this seems to be the only option I know of right now and it looks unacceptable.

Edited by Phoenicis, 13 March 2014 - 07:35 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 02:28 AM

You could try Nizoral Shampoo or Finasteride instead... I don't think these Minox Sides are necessarily true, but I don't think Minox will do a lot (nothing likely will!) NOR that it (opposed to the other options) can keep your hair long-term.

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#3 forever freedom

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 01:24 PM

Finasteride is a valyd option. I've been using it for 9 years now no noticeable side effects, but it has definitely stopped my hair from falling. I've started applying minoxidil on my scalp 2 months ago, i'll see if it helps. What i can say, from my own research into it, is that there are no noticeable side effects from minoxidil use from the vast majority of users. Just like with finasteride, where a small percentage of users experience libido loss and some other SE, you'll just have to take the risk and use it. If you experience unwanted side effects and you can't tolerate them, discontinue the use.

Edited by forever freedom, 14 March 2014 - 01:25 PM.


#4 Phoenicis

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 03:44 PM

Finasteride is a valyd option. I've been using it for 9 years now no noticeable side effects, but it has definitely stopped my hair from falling. I've started applying minoxidil on my scalp 2 months ago, i'll see if it helps. What i can say, from my own research into it, is that there are no noticeable side effects from minoxidil use from the vast majority of users. Just like with finasteride, where a small percentage of users experience libido loss and some other SE, you'll just have to take the risk and use it. If you experience unwanted side effects and you can't tolerate them, discontinue the use.


That's always an option too,I'll look more into the side effects. One thing I want to avoid is anything that would undermine my overriding objective of increasing longevity.

I would like to ask you if you could please start taking before and after pictures of parts of your face (make yourself unrecognizable on photoshop or paint if you prefer). Perhaps focus on the areas around your eyes That way we can actually collect some valuable evidence in this thread!

Edited by Phoenicis, 14 March 2014 - 03:46 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:57 PM

If this is true, shouldn't the crown area be the most affected with wrinkles, since it's the one that's getting all the foam first ?

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:38 PM

This is why i never started minoxidil. The science is clear, and the process do appear, just google minoxidil collagen etc - and you will see people reporting stuff you describe.

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 09:32 PM

That's always an option too,I'll look more into the side effects. One thing I want to avoid is anything that would undermine my overriding objective of increasing longevity.

I'd be careful though. Looking into side effects is important to make an informed decision. But on the internet there is lots and lots of anecdotal bullshit of people that got any condition and just attribute it to whatever drug they're taking. Especially fin. And there is something called a nocebo effect. If you look at side-effects, I would look at well-controlled research only and even that isn't perfect since there IS no control for fin, some people will know when they see their hair-loss stopping. At least be aware of the nocebo effect and know to trust controlled research over anecdotes.

This is why i never started minoxidil. The science is clear, and the process do appear, just google minoxidil collagen etc - and you will see people reporting stuff you describe.

The science isn't clear as far as I know, except you can show me an in vivo study on humans where this happened. Reporting = anecdotal evidence is bad, not that it can't be true but its not good evidence. People start looking for stuff and will find stuff even if it has nothing to do with Minox.

If this is true, shouldn't the crown area be the most affected with wrinkles, since it's the one that's getting all the foam first ?

I'm not even sure if Minox works locally or globally, as far as I know (might be wrong) it might very well work globally and this is the reason for it working. Just like topical fin gets absorbed and thus may work globally instead of locally. Would be nice to get more input. Nizoral for example works only topically, it doesn't get absorbed in any noticeable amount.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:51 PM

My two cents: I don't find the reports of systemic minoxidil problems credible as to a broad population, not just because of my own n=1 experience, but because it does not make sense to me that there would be systemic problems. Sure, I suppose so very small percentage of individuals could have some allergic reaction. I use it in only in the crown, have been doing so for 6 years. I have excellent skin. FWIW.

Edited by JohnD60, 27 March 2014 - 04:53 PM.


#9 JohnD60

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

I'm not even sure if Minox works locally or globally, as far as I know (might be wrong) it might very well work globally and this is the reason for it working. Just like topical fin gets absorbed and thus may work globally instead of locally. Would be nice to get more input. Nizoral for example works only topically, it doesn't get absorbed in any noticeable amount.

From personal experience I can say it works locally, and that is the way it is marketed. I use it only in the crown, I have experienced no hair loss in the crown since starting using it (though I do use other things as well), I have experienced hair loss in the temple areas since starting using it in the crown area.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 09:58 AM

Topical 17-alpha-estradiol is another option for hair regrowth in men.

It has various tradenames (Pantosin, Ell-Cranell Alpha).

See: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Alfatradiol

It seems fairly harmless (doesn't have any estrogenic effect; reduces production of DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase) and a recent rat study actually found that this compound *extends* the life of male rats when taken systemically.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:57 PM

I just stopped minoxidil because was making my face look like it was burned, red and dry skin. After I stopped it went away.





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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:41 PM

It's just mass hysteria.
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#13 Phoenicis

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:26 PM

Topical 17-alpha-estradiol is another option for hair regrowth in men.

It has various tradenames (Pantosin, Ell-Cranell Alpha).

See: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Alfatradiol

It seems fairly harmless (doesn't have any estrogenic effect; reduces production of DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase) and a recent rat study actually found that this compound *extends* the life of male rats when taken systemically.

nice - do you know of any websites selling this?

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:53 AM

Topical 17-alpha-estradiol is another option for hair regrowth in men.

It has various tradenames (Pantosin, Ell-Cranell Alpha).

See: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Alfatradiol

It seems fairly harmless (doesn't have any estrogenic effect; reduces production of DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase) and a recent rat study actually found that this compound *extends* the life of male rats when taken systemically.

nice - do you know of any websites selling this?


Seems to be popular in Germany:
http://www.amazon.de...0/dp/B007A1B4PW

Not sure how effective it is compared to all the other options for preventing/reversing hair loss.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 01:53 PM

Topical 17-alpha-estradiol is another option for hair regrowth in men.

It has various tradenames (Pantosin, Ell-Cranell Alpha).

See: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Alfatradiol

It seems fairly harmless (doesn't have any estrogenic effect; reduces production of DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase) and a recent rat study actually found that this compound *extends* the life of male rats when taken systemically.

nice - do you know of any websites selling this?


Seems to be popular in Germany:
http://www.amazon.de...0/dp/B007A1B4PW

Not sure how effective it is compared to all the other options for preventing/reversing hair loss.


I'm going to try iit with the nizoral shampoo, at least I wont loose any hair over the side effects!

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:06 PM

Topical 17-alpha-estradiol is another option for hair regrowth in men.

It has various tradenames (Pantosin, Ell-Cranell Alpha).

See: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Alfatradiol

It seems fairly harmless (doesn't have any estrogenic effect; reduces production of DHT by inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase) and a recent rat study actually found that this compound *extends* the life of male rats when taken systemically.

nice - do you know of any websites selling this?


Seems to be popular in Germany:
http://www.amazon.de...0/dp/B007A1B4PW

Not sure how effective it is compared to all the other options for preventing/reversing hair loss.


The study found it to be less effective than minoxidil. The study was in women. Eventually the alfatradiol group was switched to minoxidil because alfatradiol was so ineffective in comparison.

Topical treatment with 2% minoxidil solution for 6 months resulted in a significant increase of cumulative hair thickness (p < 0.0001) and absolute hair density (p < or = 0.0025), whereas these parameters of hair growth remained nearly unchanged after 6 months of treatment with alfatradiol solution. Evaluation of the same parameters from month 7 to month 12 demonstrated that 12 months minoxidil treatment resulted in an increasing stabilization (group I). After the alfatradiol-->minoxidil switch in group II a significant increase in cumulative hair thickness (p < 0.0001) and absolute hair density (p < 0.0001) was achieved.







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