12 replies to this topic

[adammann]

I am looking for molecularly distilled EPA, with NO added DHA.

I follow the Zone diet and have found it to be extremely effective, and one of its recommendations is to increase EPA while keeping DHA far lower. I get sufficient DHA from the oatmeal I eat on a daily basis anyway.

I want molecularly distilled EPA to minimise the risk of heavy metal contamination from fish sourced oil.

Thanks,
Adam

[vastman]

adammann AOR is the only supplier of pure EPA that I know of. I've been looking for this myself. For information on their pure EPA you can visit their websit @ www.aor.ca It is a great source of info... check out their online magazines for mucho info in other areas. AOR doesn't sell to the public though... The best prices I have been able to find on their well thought out formulations come from our supplement sponsor, Relentless Improvement owned by Pete, a frequent poster to this forum. Just click on his listing at supplements or type in www.relentlessimprovement.com Sorry, I haven't taken the time to figure out how to post a link yet.

cheers all

[jeromewilson]

I've just got some Omega 3 Mood from iHerb.com - they use molecular distillation and it's quite a bit cheaper than the AOR offering. It does have 20% DHA (100mg from 500mg cap) but I figure that not TOO much. .

[REGIMEN]

That "Omega 3 Mood" is made by Country Life, btw.

[Pablo M]

o3mega+ joy also has a high EPA-DHA ratio (500 mg-25 mg). They say it's "the only mood support formula available in North America with concentrated EPA." Obviously their people assigned to researching the competition don't get out much.

But seriously, AOR's product has less than 0.1 mg of DHA per softgel. That's excellent quality if you want less DHA.

[psychenaut]

I just put the EPA on once in a blue moon pricing- if I sell it lower, I lose money.

This product is the only one of its kind that I know of. If you read our info page (written in large part by our friend from this forum and orthomolecular guru, AORSupport) it is important to understand that if you seek EPA effects, you cannot have any (a-n-y) DHA in the supplement. This contention is backed up by the studies and research as detailed on the product page.

We have actually sold this product to researchers conducting studies on the effects of a pharmaceutical grade EPA. It is very expensive to produce.

My inventory is limited, and I can only offer this pricing because I made a quantity purchase a few weeks ago. When gone, I have to raise prices again. Grab it and growl.

Best,
Pete

[adammann]

Thanks for the response guys - much appreciated

[johnmk]

I am not finding any documentation showing that oatmeal contains appreciable and efficacious amounts of DHA omega 3 fat. Where's your source? I somewhat doubt that it's possible. Also, I don't seriously believe you're well-served by going EPA only. I just heard of a study within the last month or two showing in fact an inverse correlation between DHA consumption and Alzheimer's Disease risk.

Thanks.

[scottl]

" I am not finding any documentation showing that oatmeal contains appreciable and efficacious amounts of DHA omega 3 fat. Where's your source? "

LOL without reading the beginning of the thread I was going to say it sounds like something that Barry Sears (the zone guy) wrote in one of the books.

[lemon]

Your brain requires DHA and the enzymatic conversion from ALA, if I'm not mistaken, is around 10% if the enzyme is genetically present (some don't have it and can't make the conversion at all).

So getting DHA from ALA just isn't efficient and converting it from EPA just seams like you're going out of your way for something that your body will attempt to convert anyway. Assuming you're not getting much DHA (as it's relatively scarce unless you eat alot of fatty fish) your body will just try to convert some of the EPA into DHA and you'll undergo conversion losses and very likely wind up with sub-optimal DHA levels. What good is that?

[lemon]

...one more thing. AOR has one goal. That goal is to make a profit. Don't you think they already know they can't make a good margin on standard EPA/DHA? So what are they left with? Well, if they further remove DHA from a product and latch onto a study or two they can sell with a nice margin.

[sfty]

Never let your sole source of information be from a retailer.

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[johnmk]

As a businessman you are tasked with pleasing the masses. If the masses, or a large enough market, demand EPA, by golly you're doing your bottom line a disservice by not meeting that demand. So you offer an EPA product, and an EPA+DHA product, to satisfy the entire market. Sales increase above baseline thus. It's really quite simple. That a company offers a product does not mean it's efficacious, or even that they themselves would go out of their way to take it. They're simply doing as they should -- responding to market and consumer demand.

[vastman]

lemon, you sound kinda sour, cynical, ignorant, and/or all of the above. There are people, companies, and groups out their trying to make a differemce amd I feel the challenge in life is finding them. I have absolutly no affiliation with AOR and didn't even know of their existance when I began a serious look at augmenting my biochemistry, but I have developed the greatest respect for the company, their carefully crafted formulations, and the detailed information they provide describing their decisionmaking.

Of all the supplement suppliers out there, AOR has consistantly been on the cutting edge of formulation design based on the latest research. To imply they've eliminated DHA from their product to sell it because they can't make anything on an overly saturated fish oil market is your right but I bet that over the next 6 to 12 months you'll see lots more pure EPA products materialize as the followers catch up. Their arguements and cited research appear pretty convincing to me and while we are just begining to see a body of knowledge develope on this issue, AOR as an innovator, is amongst the quickest to adapt it's formulations to new information.

There is profit to be made in innovations, no doubt about it. I personally am glad they exist as they consistantly provide me with new information with which I can fine-tune my supplement package. Unlike drug companies that fund research on their products amd thus have an inherent conflict of interest, AOR adapts it's product line to reflect the latest research. I'll leave it to those much more capable than me to weigh in on the scientific merits of my position and note that a basic search of AOR on this forum demonstrates the overwhelming respect most posters have of the companies' products.

Personally I'm switching to EPA. I'll let you know what I think in a month or two. I'm sure their window of exclusivity is short, maybe 6 months or so, and as my body can get all the DHA it may need from EPA but not the other way around, I'll pay the price. Just like I became a full member to support a great forum, I'll invest a bit into a company that brings so much new information to my table, both figureatively and litterally.