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#1 Chupo

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 12:36 AM


Advanced glycation end products (AGEs), which are the final products of glycation, have a major role in diabetic complication and neurodegenerative disorders. The 3-β-hydroxybutyrate (3BHB), a ketone body which is produced by the liver, can be detected in increased concentrations in individuals post fasting and prolonged exercises and in diabetic (type I) patients. In this study, the inhibitory effect of 3BHB on AGEs formation by glucose from the human serum albumin (HSA) was studied at physiological conditions after 35 days of incubation, using physical techniques such as circular dichroism and fluorescence spectroscopy, as well as differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The fluorescence intensity measurements of glycated HSA by glucose (GHSA) in the presence of 3BHB indicate a decrease in AGEs formation. The DSC deconvolution profile results also confirm the protective role of 3BHB on incubated with glucose by preventing the enthalpy reduction of the HSA tail segment, compared with the deconvolution profile seen for incubated with glucose alone. The concentration of 3BHB used in this study is in accordance with the concentration detected in the body of individuals post fasting and prolonged exercises

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24535268


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:39 PM

Interestingly, as the name implies, ketone body D-β-hydroxybutyrate (βOHB)  is "an endogenous and specific inhibitor of class I histone deacetylases (HDACs)" 

 

Suppression of Oxidative Stress by β-Hydroxybutyrate, an Endogenous Histone Deacetylase Inhibitor

Tadahiro Shimazu et al, Science 11 January 2013

 

Concentrations of acetyl–coenzyme A and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) affect histone acetylation and thereby couple cellular metabolic status and transcriptional regulation. We report that the ketone body D-β-hydroxybutyrate (βOHB) is an endogenous and specific inhibitor of class I histone deacetylases (HDACs). Administration of exogenous βOHB, or fasting or calorie restriction, two conditions associated with increased βOHB abundance, all increased global histone acetylation in mouse tissues. Inhibition of HDAC by βOHB was correlated with global changes in transcription, including that of the genes encoding oxidative stress resistance factors FOXO3A and MT2. Treatment of cells with βOHB increased histone acetylation at the Foxo3a and Mt2 promoters, and both genes were activated by selective depletion of HDAC1 and HDAC2. Consistent with increased FOXO3A and MT2 activity, treatment of mice with βOHB conferred substantial protection against oxidative stress.

 

 

How calorie restriction influences longevity: Protecting cells from damage caused by chronic disease

ScienceDaily, 6 December 2012

 

"Scientists have identified a novel mechanism by which a type of low-carb, low-calorie diet -- called a "ketogenic diet" -- could delay the effects of aging. This fundamental discovery reveals how such a diet could slow the aging process and may one day allow scientists to better treat or prevent age-related diseases, including heart disease, Alzheimer's disease and many forms of cancer."

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"The findings could be relevant for a wide range of neurological conditions, such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, autism and traumatic brain injury -- diseases that afflict millions and for which there are few treatment options." ... "Identifying βOHB as a link between caloric restriction and protection from oxidative stress opens up a variety of new avenues to researchers for combating disease," said Tadahiro Shimazu, a Gladstone postdoctoral fellow and the paper's lead author. "In the future, we will continue to explore the role of βOHB -- especially how it affects the body's other organs, such as the heart or brain -- to confirm whether the compound's protective effects can be applied throughout the body."

 

Does anyone have info on supplementing this? Apparently it can also be toxic at high levels in people with diseases such as Type I diabetes.


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#3 Chupo

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:18 PM

Butyrate and BOHB are very similar in structure.   It should be no wonder that they have similar effects.

 

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I wish there were a way to measure blood butyrate levels.

 

 

 

As for ketone supplements, ketone esters and ketone salts can be found on the web for sale but they are intended for research purposes only.  



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:25 PM

Effects of beta-hydroxybutyrate on cognition in memory-impaired adults.

 
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Glucose is the brain's principal energy substrate. In Alzheimer's disease (AD), there appears to be a pathological decrease in the brain's ability to use glucose. Neurobiological evidence suggests that ketone bodies are an effective alternative energy substrate for the brain. Elevation of plasma ketone body levels through an oral dose of medium chain triglycerides (MCTs) may improve cognitive functioning in older adults with memory disorders. On separate days, 20 subjects with AD or mild cognitive impairment consumed a drink containing emulsified MCTs or placebo. Significant increases in levels of the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate (beta-OHB) were observed 90 min after treatment (P=0.007) when cognitive tests were administered. beta-OHB elevations were moderated by apolipoprotein E (APOE) genotype (P=0.036). For 4+ subjects, beta-OHB levels continued to rise between the 90 and 120 min blood draws in the treatment condition, while the beta-OHB levels of 4- subjects held constant (P<0.009). On cognitive testing, MCT treatment facilitated performance on the Alzheimer's Disease Assessment Scale-Cognitive Subscale (ADAS-cog) for 4- subjects, but not for 4+ subjects (P=0.04). Higher ketone values were associated with greater improvement in paragraph recall with MCT treatment relative to placebo across all subjects (P=0.02). Additional research is warranted to determine the therapeutic benefits of MCTs for patients with AD and how APOE-4 status may mediate beta-OHB efficacy.

 

Chupo, didn't you say this in the coconut oil thread:

 

"MCTs are metabolized differently form from long chain fats. They are ketogenic even when glycogen stores are full."

 

with following citation:

 

Stimulation of mild, sustained ketonemia by medium-chain triacylglycerols in healthy humans: estimated potential contribution to brain energy metabolism.

 

Would supplemental, unrefined red palm, or coconut oil be best?

 

 
 

 

Butyrate and BOHB are very similar in structure.   It should be no wonder that they have similar effects.

 

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I wish there were a way to measure blood butyrate levels.

 

 

 

As for ketone supplements, ketone esters and ketone salts can be found on the web for sale but they are intended for research purposes only.  

 

 

 

 

 

 Tanja Gaschott et al, Tributyrin, a Stable and Rapidly Absorbed Prodrug of Butyric Acid, Enhances Antiproliferative Effects of Dihydroxycholecalciferol in Human Colon Cancer Cells

 

"Butyrate is metabolized rapidly as soon as it enters the colonocyte via its active transport system (11, 12, 13), and its plasma concentrations are far below those required to exert its antiproliferative/differentiating actions.

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A prodrug of natural butyrate, tributyrin, is a neutral short-chain fatty acid triglyceride that is likely to overcome the pharmacokinetic drawbacks of natural butyrate as a drug (14). Because it is rapidly absorbed and chemically stable in plasma, tributyrin diffuses through biological membranes and is metabolized by intracellular lipases, releasing therapeutically effective butyrate over time directly into the cell. Compared with butyrate, tributyrin has more favorable pharmacokinetics (14, 15, 16) and is well tolerated (17)."

 

Not sure how comparable tributyrin and beta-OHB are though... it looks more similar to butyrate than tributyrin.


Edited by LexLux, 29 May 2014 - 10:56 PM.


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Posted 29 May 2014 - 10:28 PM

A great way to increase ketones is to make yourself diabetic.


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Posted 30 May 2014 - 04:21 PM

Is this what you're alluding to?

 

"I have discussed elsewhere (here and here) the potential impact of a high-fat diet and changes in your gut microbial ecosystem that can (does) lead to low-grade inflammation that furthers leads to insulin resistance, obesity and other issues. In short, high-fat intake shifts the gut microbiota and increases the translocation of lipopolysaccharides (LPS) or endotoxins from your gut into your blood, which then triggers inflammation – and then the cascade of problems start."

 

So basically endotoxins from HDL & LDL leading to insulin resistance?

 

 

A great way to increase ketones is to make yourself diabetic.

 



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:03 PM

Is this what you're alluding to?

 

 

 

Not really, but this is:

 

 

 

J Endocrinol Invest. 1996 Feb;19(2):99-105.

High blood ketone body concentration in type 2 non-insulin dependent diabetic patients.

Avogaro A, Crepaldi C, Miola M.

 

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To assess the metabolic disturbances, and, in particular, the occurrence of high blood ketone body concentration in Type 2 diabetic patients as compared to a matched normal population, a study was carried out in a group of 78 Type 2 diabetic outpatients and in 78 normal individuals. In all subjects we measured HbA1c, and fasting levels of glucose, FFA, lactate, pyruvate, glycerol, alanine, 3-hydroxybutyrate, acetoacetate, uric acid, total cholesterol, triglycerides, creatinine, growth hormone, cortisol, glucagon, free insulin, and C-peptide. As expected HbA1c, and plasma glucose were higher in Type 2 diabetics. This was associated with multiple metabolic disturbances as shown by higher circulating concentrations of FFA, glycerol and gluconeogenic precursors. Similarly, blood levels of ketones were increased. Plasma glucagon levels were higher in Type 2 diabetics. Blood ketone body levels were directly correlated with both plasma glucose and FFA concentrations. These observations clearly show that Type 2 diabetes is a pathologic condition characterised by multiple metabolic disturbances which are fully apparent in the basal state. Furthermore, we emphasise that Type 2 diabetic patients present a significant increase in their fasting levels of ketone bodies.

 

 

 

 


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#8 Chupo

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 11:36 AM

Mr. E,

 

How do you feel about calorie restriction? CR increases FFA and ketogenesis. Paul Mcglothin sees blood ketone levels of 2.0 - 3.0 mmol between meals.  Do you think he's shortening his life?

 

 

LexLux,

 

Yes, I did say that.  Personally, I'd feel better about letting my body produce ketones naturally rather than supplementing with them though there is research showing that supplemental ketones are beneficial as well. 



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:01 PM

This is not intended to be medical advice, consult an independent physician for advice before dieting or supplementing guys. 

 

A methionine restricted, leucine reduced, malnutrition-free diet which is ketogenic by virtue of MCT supplementation, could be the ultimate life-extension diet. It takes advantage of three known LE pathways - reduced mTOR and reduced IGF-1, low methionine cancer control, and elevated BHB ketosis for fat loss, brain energy and reduced inflammation.

 

 NAD+ levels are important in any diet, but may be especially important for ketosis. It has been hypothesized that elevated BHB levels can only by be controlled when high affinity nicotinic acid G-protein coupled receptors are maintained at adequate levels via NAD. It has been observed that NAD deficiency may be pathogenic in schizophrenics, which may be why niacin works as a treatment. Elevated BHB levels may also explain their elevated Kynurenic Acid levels

 

Since we now know that NAMPT levels decrease with age, NR may be more adequate for restoring NAD+ (NR->NMN->NAD+). The niacin flush may serve as a biomarker for NAD+ levels as well; people who do not experience much flush may have low levels (see bellow).

 

In any case I suspect that for anyone on a ketogenic diet, whether low carb or via MCTs, niacin/NR supplementation may need to be considered to keep BHB levels in check. Wouldn't niacin also help to keep LDL levels in check if one were using unrefined red palm oil instead of an MCT supplement?

 

W. Todd Penberthy, PhD, JOM Volume 27, Number 1, 2012
 
"Explanations for the Simultaneous Recovery from Acute Schizophrenia and the Niacin-Flush Response
 
Hoffer observed that treatment with high doses of the non-flush NAD precursor, nicotinamide, also frequently resulted in recovery from acute schizophrenia similar to recovery from pellagra dementia. While restoration of the nicotinic acid-mediated flush response does correlate with niacin-mediated recovery from schizophrenia, it does not necessarily mean that this effect was primarily the result of the flush response.It seems much more likely that the restoration of NAD levels is central to recovery, where NAD as NAD+, NADP+, NADH, and/or NADPH, may be restoring prostaglandin- flush pathways by one or a combination of the >450 reactions that require NAD for ac- tivity. There are several possible explanations for the observed reduced flush response. In this section we give consideration to each explanation and ultimately come to the conclusion that the reduced flush response is firstly an NAD deficiency, where PUFA reductions are likely to be secondary to this effect. This analysis concludes that schizo- phrenia is most likely not an essential fatty acid deficiency disease, but more of a NAD deficiency disease.
 
Firstly, the reduced niacin flush response observed in schizophrenia likely involves nia- cin receptor ligand mediated desensitization. A metabolic study of schizophrenia indicates a general increase in PUFA catabolism.31 Beta-hydroxybutryate levels were found to be elevated 2.6 fold. Beta-hydroxybutyrate is proposed to be the naturally occurring endogenous ligand for the high affinity nicotinic acid G-protein coupled receptor.32 Decreased levels of the GPR109a protein are observed in the brains of schizophrenics, as are increased GPR109a transcripts.33 Such ligand dependent receptor down-regulation (a.k.a., receptor desensitization) is a common theme with the G-protein coupled receptor protein superfamily. Thus, NAD may be simply restoring PUFA metabolism such that the levels of the beta-hydroxybutyrate ligand for the high affinity nicotinic acid G- protein coupled receptor are returned to normal levels. The GPR109a protein may then be expressed at correct levels, thus restoring the niacin-flush response to normal as well. This general alteration is surely a major contributor to the reduced flush response seen in schizophrenics."
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"Glutamine is required for the last step in the conversion of niacin to NAD when starting from either tryptophan or nicotinic acid/niacin. [...] Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in the body. To date glutamine studies have mostly focused on treating severely burned patients, those experiencing cancer cachexia, or undergoing chemotherapy.63 Therapeutic benefits were observed for all of these situa- tions. The most effective doses were seen after administration of 10-15 g three times each day with the biggest responses seen closer to the 45 g per day dosage.[...] In sum- mary, 3-10 g of arginine three times each day, and 10-15 g of glutamine three times each day may additionally provide therapeutic benefit to the schizophrenic."

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:42 PM

Here's a case report of a 70 year old woman who was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 17. A ketogenic diet basically cured her. 


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:51 PM

I wonder why, it seems to be at odds with the fact that schizos have elevated brain ketone levels anyway. In any case, it is good news as I was wondering if ketogenic diets could cause schizophrenia. Luckily, I do not suffer from it myself. Interestingly, the paper I linked also made the following observations about refined carbs - 

 

W. Todd Penberthy, PhD, JOM Volume 27, Number 1, 2012

 

"Dietary precursors to NAD are termed vitamin B3. Similarly, the observation that niacin helps with a wide variety of therapeutic benefits is unsurprising because the most devastating dietary deficiency disease ever observed naturally occurring in modern human history were the pellagra epidemics that happened just after the development of milling technology that would introduce white rice and flour to the masses. Over 125,000 United States southerners would die due to pellagra in just the first two decades of the 20th century! This all indicates the human animal’s particularly great susceptibility to NAD deficiency arising from unfortunate dietary habits."

 

pellagra = niacin deficiency. 

 

 


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Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:43 PM

Or is it possible that NAD+ defficient schizophrenics simply can't make use of the addition BHB due to low levels high affinity nicotinic acid G-protein coupled receptors (which may be corrected with NAD+)? Perhaps she corrected her NAD+ deficiency somehow? I wonder how, given we know NAMPT usually declines with age. I see no other explanation for that woman's case study, gluten seems a bit too simple IMO. 


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 05:52 AM

Mr. E,

 

How do you feel about calorie restriction?

 

I think that short-term it is beneficial, but long-term it is harmful. The main reason we eat is to obtain energy, so when you restrict energy-intake, your body becomes stressed and makes adaptations that are harmful. I've mentioned this before, but prolonged fasting and starvation will cause diabetes due to a lack of insulin-production and increased FFAs. I remember reading studies that showed when people were starving, they developed NAFLD and visceral-fat, exactly what you see in diabetics. Anything that increases glucocorticoids for extended periods of time will cause diabetes. Starvation, exercise, low-carb diets and stress all increase glucocorticoids. Many people who practice CR show the same signs as diabetes; low-testosterone, erectile-dysfunction, slow wound healing, osteoporosis, sugar cravings, mood swings, low libido, fatigue, muscle wasting, etc.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 08:33 AM

 

Yes, I did say that.  Personally, I'd feel better about letting my body produce ketones naturally rather than supplementing with them though there is research showing that supplemental ketones are beneficial as well. 

 

The problem with the body producing ketones is that it comes with increased cortisol levels. I don't know if this applies to a few tbsp of coconut oil though.


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Posted 02 June 2014 - 10:05 PM

 

 

Yes, I did say that.  Personally, I'd feel better about letting my body produce ketones naturally rather than supplementing with them though there is research showing that supplemental ketones are beneficial as well. 

 

The problem with the body producing ketones is that it comes with increased cortisol levels. I don't know if this applies to a few tbsp of coconut oil though.

 

 

I'd rather have the elevated cortisol levels.  

 

 

 

"The mechanisms responsible for calorie restriction–mediated beneficial effects on primary aging observed in rodents probably involve the metabolic adaptations to restriction itself, including... a modest increase in levels of circulating cortisol, which result in a reduction in systemic inflammation." — Aging, adiposity, and calorie restriction. Fontana L, Klein S. JAMA. 2007 Mar 7;297(9):986-94.
 
"Even short-term DR can attenuate inflammation and affect metabolic and DNA repair pathways. Mechanisms by which DR suppresses peripheral inflammation include the elevation of glucocorticoids, lowering of glucose and activation of PPARs. Although the effects of DR are less understood in the brain, common pathways are emerging that link many normal aging inflammatory processes with age related diseases such as AD, cancer, diabetes and cardiovascular disease." — Anti-inflammatory mechanisms of dietary restriction in slowing aging processes. Morgan TE, Wong AM, Finch CE. Interdiscip Top Gerontol. 2007;35:83-97.
 
"Glucocorticoids are yet another class of hormones that may contribute to the anticarcinogenic action of DR [101, 102]. Total and/or free glucocorticoid levels are increased by DR [103–105]. Glucocorticoids suppress cellular proliferation and enhance apoptosis in a number of cell types, including osteoblasts, lymphocytes and keratinocytes (for reviews, see Weinstein [106], Herold et al. [107] and Budunova et al. [108]). In humans, glucocorticoids are effectively used for treating lymphoid neoplasms [109]. Importantly, adrenalectomy abolishes the protective effect of DR on skin and pulmonary carcinogenesis, while glucocorticoid replacement restores this protection" [110–112]. — Can short-term dietary restriction and fasting have a long-term anticarcinogenic effect? Klebanov S. Interdiscip Top Gerontol. 2007;35:176-92.
 
"Another mechanism by which CR may selectively exert it’s anti-inflammatory effects is via enhanced endogenous corticosteroid production (Sabatino et al. 1991). Chronic CR potentiates the diurnal elevation of plasma corticosterone. CR mice and rats have “moderately” but significantly higher daily mean plasma free corticosterone concentration than mice fed “ad libitum” throughout their lifespan...
 
It is well known that the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis and glucocorticoids in particular are essential in limiting and resolving the inflammatory process (Sapolsky et al. 2000). Glucocorticoids have pleiotropic inhibitory effects on the immune system and inflammatory gene expression (Rhen and Cidlowski 2005). In addition, treatment with pharmacological doses of exogenous glucocorticoids has been used to block many inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Graves’ disease, thyroiditis, glomerulonephritis, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis." — Neuroendocrine Factors in the Regulation of Inflammation: Excessive
Adiposity and Calorie Restriction Luigi Fontana, Exp Gerontol. 2009; 44(1-2): 41–45.
 
"One well-known, exemplified response to stress is the hormonal increase in adrenal corticosterone levels in plasma during aging, where increases in these levels appear to be proportional to the degree of stress. Aged animals appear to have a diminished ability to attenuate the increase, causing the aged to have continually elevated plasma levels of corticosterones. These authors suggested that increased levels of corticosterone in aged rats result in hippocampal neuronal cell death, that is, the stage of exhaustion. However, this scenario in the glucocorticoid cascade hypothesis is obviously not applicable in the case of the CR paradigm, because CR results in an increased life span in spite of chronically elevated diurnal levels of serum corticosterone. This apparent contradiction makes the interrelation of glucocorticoid and aging far more complex than one might want to narrowly define it and needs other mechanistic explanations like stress resistance to resolve the disparity in responses." — Stress resistance by caloric restriction for longevity. Yu BP, Chung HY. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2001 Apr;928:39-47. (my emphasis)

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 09:16 PM

From the Abstract: "The fluorescence intensity measurements of glycated HSA by glucose (GHSA) in the presence of 3BHB indicate a decrease in AGEs formation". It seems to me this study is only discussion worthy if there is a substantial decrease in AGE formation, if is only a 20% decrease it is just noise imo. Has anyone read the actual study to find out how much of a decrease we are talking about?


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 09:29 PM

Uuuuummm what exactly are people trying to go after in this multi-pronged thread? haha.  To inhibit formation of AGE's?  There are many antiglycating agents one can take.  I've compiled a list over the months.  Here's my holy grail anti-glycation stack (without dosages):

  • L-lysine
  • L-carnosine 
  • D-limonene
  • pomegranate extract
  • fucoidan
  • benfotiamine (variant of vitamin B1)
  • rutin
  • pycnogenol (this one works indirectly: it reduces glycation by speeding up plasma glucose clearance)
  • pyridoxal 5'-phosphate (variant of vitamin B6)

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 05:43 PM

thanks holdout no references and such, good job!







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