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[scottl]

Lior,

Welcome to US politics.

Anti-sematism is alive and well.


Oh and lemon, I'm having some trouble with my vocabulary....tell me again what the word liberal means?

[lemon]

Liberal is one that believes in liberty. No more, and no less. It was believers in liberty (liberals) who fought the British. It was liberals who wanted to free the slaves. Those who seek to conserve resist change in order to fall back on the status quo.

My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands.

[Trias]

Hey lior,

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Scott,
You seem to belong to the intelligent sort...
just hate it when people start distort and manipulate facts that i see and experience daily. A pity.
BTW, I'm starting Med-School soon!!!! (finally.....),
Where have you learnt - and which proficiency?

Ameliorate, without limits!
-Daniel S.

[liorrh]

please prove that the palestinians did have political control or over the present territories prior to the current occupation. your point is not valid. remember you set your own trap with "hundreds of years ago and not in our lifetime or the modern era".
some history lesson:
till 7th century holy roman empire(bizantion)
7th-11th century - arabs from arabia
11th-12th century - crusaders
12th century-14th mamlooks (arabs from egypt)
14th century on turks (not palestinians and not related)
1917-1948 british

so?

[liorrh]

thank you Daniel, I will beat him in his own weapon. belive it or not I think its human nature (racism). we need to rise above our genes and also educate others. if I won't succeed with him others reading this will be persuaded.

[lemon]

"My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands. "

[liorrh]

here's your original quote

"The arabs carry the moral high ground in the struggle. The jews should not have been given political control of that land. "
first of all there is no "arabs". there are palestinians.
A) to remind you the UN gave both political control, neigbouring states chose to relinquish the palestinians control in Israel's independece war by controling the area and passing contorl to the palestinans.
B) how do the palestinians carry the higher moral grounds? I refuted all your points.

so your statement, both parts, has been proven incorrect by me.

I'm waiting for some logical retaliation. or I consider this argument won, fair and square.

[lemon]

"My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands. "


If you don't take it personally it's clear as day.

[scottl]

Liberal is one that believes in liberty.  No more, and no less.  It was believers in liberty (liberals) who fought the British.  It was liberals who wanted to free the slaves.  Those who seek to conserve resist change in order to fall back on the status quo. 

My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands.

"Liberal is one that believes in liberty."

Like the woman in my signature?

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

Liorh,

This is what socialism means to me....and why I and many of us are deathly afraid.

[scottl]

Oh and there is a good essay on conservatism, true conservatism, not the BS neocon stuff here:

"while true conservatism is a set of principles, but not axioms; it is not an ideology, but a frame of mind. It is the frame of mind that says, I see my neighbor is in trouble, and I shall go help him; not the frame of mind that says I see my neighbor is in trouble, and there must be many like him; let us change the government so that his troubles are taken care of..."

http://www.jerrypour...76.html#Tuesday
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[liorrh]

"My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands. "


If you don't take it personally it's clear as day.

do not be absurd, ofcourse I don't take it personnaly.

that statement was made within a conext of palestinians having that control, and thus having higher moral ground.
I refuted that part that statement is now meaningless in the disscussion

care to defend your stance?

[lemon]

"My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands. "

[eternaltraveler]

The Palestinian’s had very little control over their land since time immemorial, however playing devil's advocate one might say that doesn't exactly mean that the Israeli's have the moral high ground by taking over as rulers over them either.

It doesn't exactly matter who had the so-called moral high ground anyway, it happened almost 60 years ago. 3 generations have lived their whole lives there in that time.

Lemon other than just pointing out that you don’t think the Jews have the moral high ground in the matter what exactly do you suggest should be done?

[eternaltraveler]

(Lemon)

what was a more barbaric age without the rule of law

I think the time around WWII was a pretty damn barbaric age.

[Trias]

"My original statment about jews not having political control over the present territories prior to the current occupation stands. "

Heh.
Lior,
This guy reminds of those boys from elementary school... you argued with them, and they knew they were wrong but were too immature to accept it, so they started just repeating their former statement without further ado =) (as they obviously had lacked any more insight other than it). This usually involved a bit of sobbing and strong crossing of their hands ...hehe