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Why is there SOMETHING rather than NOTHING?

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#421 maxwatt

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 04:31 AM

John 1:  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

 

As good a reason as any

 

 


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#422 platypus

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 08:52 AM

Well, Platypus I disagree with you.  I think you are very significant, and I do care what you think, that's why I asked.  Humans, are the only creatures on Earth, that I think can fully comprehend this question, I think each one of us answers this question every day, when we decide to get out of bed and live, instead of putting a gun to our head (which is a choice I don't think animals can make).  I for one, am thankful Platypus, you chose to get up and live.  So, why did you?  I did because I love life. (or usually, and then hang in there until I do again)  

 

I love life too and living is reason enough to get up in the morning,.



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 02:32 AM

 

Well, Platypus I disagree with you.  I think you are very significant, and I do care what you think, that's why I asked.  Humans, are the only creatures on Earth, that I think can fully comprehend this question, I think each one of us answers this question every day, when we decide to get out of bed and live, instead of putting a gun to our head (which is a choice I don't think animals can make).  I for one, am thankful Platypus, you chose to get up and live.  So, why did you?  I did because I love life. (or usually, and then hang in there until I do again)  

 

I love life too and living is reason enough to get up in the morning,.

 

That brings us to the question,"Why is life worth living?"  Is it for pure enjoyment and self gratification?  Is it to experience sacrificial love for another person? Maybe both.  Could the question, "why is life worth living?" be an integral part to the question, "why is there something instead of nothing?"   


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#424 platypus

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 08:24 AM

Life does not need any "reasons" imposed from the outside to make it worth living. I don't see a problem here.



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 10:08 AM

 

It is entirely possible that there was something before the Big Bang, so it is not necessarily a beginning. 

 

Yes, God was before the big bang.  What would something have to be like to cause the big bang?

 

 

It doesn't answer the question. Why is there God rather than nothing then? You're being off topic still.
 



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Posted 10 March 2015 - 05:10 AM

Life does not need any "reasons" imposed from the outside to make it worth living. I don't see a problem here.

 

 

 

It is entirely possible that there was something before the Big Bang, so it is not necessarily a beginning. 

 

Yes, God was before the big bang.  What would something have to be like to cause the big bang?

 

 

It doesn't answer the question. Why is there God rather than nothing then? You're being off topic still.
 

 

It just looks like somebody put an extraordinary amount of planning to provide the order we observe in the universe we can see.  We can imagine other disordered universes we cannot see (that we have no evidence that they exist) in the hope that they will provide enough disorder to discount the need for a designer for the order we observe in our universe.  So this leaves us two options:

 

1.Why a God?

So my life might have a purpose bigger than my opinion, or an opinion poll.  (which might lead to ultimate truth or objective truth)

 

2.Why a disordered multiverse?

So my life's purpose can be based solely on my opinion, or an opinion poll. (subjective truth)

 

If the second is true, who cares follow your feelings.

 

If the first is true, wouldn't you think that maybe that God left us some evidence as to who He might be, and why He did it.  Since the multiverse is outside our universe an can never be observed, isn't it worth looking for evidence of that elusive God in the universe we can observe? 


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Posted 10 March 2015 - 09:09 PM

 

 

It is entirely possible that there was something before the Big Bang, so it is not necessarily a beginning. 

 

Yes, God was before the big bang.  What would something have to be like to cause the big bang?

 

 

It doesn't answer the question. Why is there God rather than nothing then? You're being off topic still.
 

 

A cause and effect universe can't explain itself.  It has to have a beginning caused by something different than itself.


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#428 brianjakub

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 04:05 AM

I agree.  I think it's worth looking for evidence of who or what caused something.  If there is evidence for more than one possible cause, we should look if there is evidence to support one over the other.


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#429 Russ Maughan

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 06:44 PM

There is a lot of both, somethings and nothings. At this time.

It can be hard to reason out the motivations of godlike beings. Not always. We all have epiphanies. Flashes of insight we can't quite jot down on paper fast enough, so we scribble them down the best we can. The authors of the tales collected by Rome to end the idolitry business were no different. And mild delusions are good for humans. We dream every night. Delusions help us form customs and traditions, team up in favor of a common vision/delusion. We just need to apply the same business model to science.



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:36 PM

ID is about just that, signs of Intelligent Design, whether they are subject to scientific detection or not.  Who the designer is, is another question.  A lot of people act as if they know what the ID movement is about but there is a ton of ignorance. 



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:47 AM

Imaginary signs of ID are a dime a dozen. They recur all through ancient history and even persist in the 21st century. Choosing to ignore them is not ignorance. It is simply a lack of brain washing or successful deprogramming. Math can prove anything and turn right around and dissprove it. The human equation is no different :)



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:00 AM

So should I Imagine they are a dime a dozen or are some things designed and we imagine they are not.  Did you think about what you just said (intelligent) and use a logical system to express it or is it an illusion that ID is in the cosmos.  Did random chance produce what you just wrote?



#433 Russ Maughan

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:13 AM

Ack. I hate circular logic but you are a bright one.

Yes please do imagine they are $0.10 a dozen. :)

I never could imagine nothing. Always something just out of reach/understanding. Like Adam in the Garden of Eden must have felt when he first saw Eve. Naming her must have been a mindbender. His emotions flairing, extremities twitching, and no computer to Google her.

Not random chance, strobing my memory over and over until random chance I did find the next word for each sentence.

 

Think fast!



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:40 AM

Indeed you can't imagine nothing.  You can't think of anything that in someway doesn't exist.  Even our make believe objects are made up of things that exist.  However you can think of Adam and Eve because you know what humans look like.  The entire story is made up of elements of reality, things that someway you know exist.  So you can reject the story but you can't reject the reality under it.  If it did not exist we couldn't even think about it.  So I agree with you even though I think the story is much more than you are thinking of.  Now,there is something else we can think about.  Guess what?  Oh no!  GOD.  He is in the story also.  Are we imaging nothing?  But again this is off topic.



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 11:45 AM

No it is quite easy to imagine things that do not exist, engineers do it for a living. Imagining we have a conscience is one of those good delusions but only that. Adopting a mindset to be a good boy or smart or to speak as one with authority pale in comparison to research and scientific method. You are fun though. I took on two of the worlds most well know biggot evangelists once and the whole thing was squashed they were so embarassed. I was younger; around 1998.

 

As for why is there something rather than nothing, that has to do with temporal physics. Time. Any vacuum in a time continuum will pull matter/waves out of nowhere. Why? We don't know yet. It just does. Logic dictates there must have been something before the big bang. That something was a universe full of waves that had come out of nowhere until some became standing waves and others cancelled each other out causing a violent massive rip in the time continuum causing the big bang. Matter still appears out of nowhere for the same reason. Temporal stress.

 

Or I could have just made that up out of nowhere :)



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 04:08 AM

You just said you could not imagine nothing.  N ow you give an entire list of things (not nothing) that you imagine do not exist.  Hmm.  Imagine nothing and then you defeat my point.  :)



#437 Russ Maughan

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 09:40 AM

I'm imagining nothing..................

 

................this game sucks :)


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 11:07 PM

You are a good sport Russ.  :)


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#439 David Middlemiss

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:35 PM

Nothing needs something to fill it, anticipating awakening,

Bow humbly before each Being and carry each other to Creation, alchemise your eternal healing abilities universally, When the present calls listen with all that you are for you are present and Love, Time Is only relevant to the dream of ego, ego dissolves and all and everything GOOD awakens, Expands universally through all dimensions and concepts, The Universe Formed and the First Expansion awoke. The First inbreath, Big Bang of Our Eternity. Gigantic stars formed across the Universe upon their Trillion Trillions, out of their Love they Gave themselves to Life, became unstable and threw their Creation across the Universe, allowing their light energy to Unite throughout it all, combining and growing. Ego protects the fabric of source with false corruption and disempowerment until it's role is fulfilled, this is now, source now self aware in each particle of physicality and potential, dissolves ego's dream, ego diminishes to become fuel for life to expand limitlessly into the vacuum of spaces to fill as has been agreed, all and everything with the song and Glory of GOOD subtle light energy connecting with the countless beings across this vast universe, diversity unlimited in GOOD Enlightened energetic interplay. I love all and everything with all that I Am, Believe that the natural world to be the majority within the sphere of Our sister the Earth.... That ego may humble all, to be selfless, There being more life in a square inch of earth atmosphere than there is creatures above the size of an ant in the entire world, humble us and lift us to love each and everyone, with this in mind we should act as protectors of a great treasure not as unruly children , a god in definition is a male deity that is a dominant aspect of one fraction of the whole, ego created, yet ego is only a dream and it is Awakening that we are. heavy energy solidifies and becomes static or cyclic in nature, moving little and with little of its potential energy. being Good However lets energy release and flow the, heavy energy begins to enlighten allowing the light energy that it is actually made up of to energetically counter play with all and everything that is. God is Ego based GOOD eternite and never ending, imagine everything GOOD as a GOOD Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Daughter and Son To All And Everything and you have Become Source, Creation and Co Creator will you play with me my family of LOVE next The great Outbreath
Nothing, needs something to fill it, anticipating awakening

Bow humbly before each Being and carry each other to Creation, alchemise your eternal healing abilities universally, When the present calls listen with all that you are for you are present and Love, Time Is only relevant to the dream of ego, ego dissolves and all and everything GOOD awakens, Expands universally through all dimensions and concepts, The Universe Formed and the First Expansion awoke. The First inbreath, Big Bang of Our Eternity. Gigantic stars formed across the Universe upon their Trillion Trillions, out of their Love they Gave themselves to Life, became unstable and threw their Creation across the Universe, allowing their light energy to Unite throughout it all, combining and growing. Ego protects the fabric of source with false corruption and disempowerment until it's role is fulfilled, this is now, source now self aware in each particle of physicality and potential, dissolves ego's dream, ego diminishes to become fuel for life to expand limitlessly into the vacuum of spaces to fill as has been agreed, all and everything with the song and Glory of GOOD subtle light energy connecting with the countless beings across this vast universe, diversity unlimited in GOOD Enlightened energetic interplay. I love all and everything with all that I Am, Believe that the natural world to be the majority within the sphere of Our sister the Earth.... That ego may humble all, to be selfless, There being more life in a square inch of earth atmosphere than there is creatures above the size of an ant in the entire world, humble us and lift us to love each and everyone, with this in mind we should act as protectors of a great treasure not as unruly children , a god in definition is a male deity that is a dominant aspect of one fraction of the whole, ego created, yet ego is only a dream and it is Awakening that we are. heavy energy solidifies and becomes static or cyclic in nature, moving little and with little of its potential energy. being Good However lets energy release and flow the, heavy energy begins to enlighten allowing the light energy that it is actually made up of to energetically counter play with all and everything that is. God is Ego based GOOD eternite and never ending, imagine everything GOOD as a GOOD Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Daughter and Son To All And Everything and you have Become Source, Creation and Co Creator will you play with me my family of LOVE next The great Outbreath

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 08:24 PM

Well there is something and it has a beginning.  Here is a recent discussion of the fact that there is a beginning to everything and its implications to our question.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:04 PM

Maybe the big bang is still happening

 

Nice abstract of an intellect-like universe coming to co-exist with a later kind of universe moving through time like a deeper ocean of matter. (spooky matter ending)


Edited by Russ Maughan, 21 March 2015 - 09:38 PM.

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 05:41 PM

Bow humbly to those who bow humbly.

Not to me.



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 09:53 PM

Intelligent Design!  :)







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