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[YOLF]

Well, I'm taking the Mg Threonate as well as some other Mg conjugates. I've never used adderall previous to this, but I have been seeing the effectiveness wain, I just went from 20mg/dose to 30... I haven't been getting high intensity workouts though... Perhaps it is preserving the health of my brain, but I'm not sure that I'm getting anything else, including cognitive benefits from the Mg Threo. I think the most important factor in preserving efficacy is getting a good nights sleep. 

 

I'm thinking Adderall XR, high intensity training, 1-3 days off of it each week, and biphasic sleep (adderall stops working all together if you don't sleep enough, even with plenty of days off) might give better results and prevent tolerance. I'm about a week away from what I think will be the start of my 4th bottle? I'm not feeling addicted and making some good strides in forming more productive habits and getting rid of bad ones, but I might take some time off or try switching to a higher dose of Ritalin for a while and see what happens.

 

I've also realized that there is some connect between the higher cortical volumes associated with long term amphetamine use and Hyaluronic Acid (HA) supplementation. If you're taking supps to boost Klotho and taking HA, you may not see any additional benefit in this area, just a little more consistent performance/attention, a little more courage, and I'm able to listen to music or and read at the same time, or tune out more background noise without being being distracted by it which is probably the biggest benefit I'm seeing now. 

 

I may not be making the most of it though for my goal, I tend to get more introspective and studious, and while I've also seen social benefits (my voice is bit stronger) I was hoping for a stronger social stimulant as that's where I need the most help keeping the pace up. I think the social apprehension side effect might be lower with dexedrine and might give that a try too. It's a psychosomatic side effect though... it happens b/c I put myself in more of the social situations that I usually avoid which means it's working to that end and I'm just not as socially proficient as I want to be yet. I am improving when off the drug and have even less apprehension than ever... Will be putting it all to the test soon.

[TheBatman]

Well, I'm taking the Mg Threonate as well as some other Mg conjugates. I've never used adderall previous to this, but I have been seeing the effectiveness wain, I just went from 20mg/dose to 30... I haven't been getting high intensity workouts though... Perhaps it is preserving the health of my brain, but I'm not sure that I'm getting anything else, including cognitive benefits from the Mg Threo. I think the most important factor in preserving efficacy is getting a good nights sleep. 

 

I'm thinking Adderall XR, high intensity training, 1-3 days off of it each week, and biphasic sleep (adderall stops working all together if you don't sleep enough, even with plenty of days off) might give better results and prevent tolerance. I'm about a week away from what I think will be the start of my 4th bottle? I'm not feeling addicted and making some good strides in forming more productive habits and getting rid of bad ones, but I might take some time off or try switching to a higher dose of Ritalin for a while and see what happens.

 

I've also realized that there is some connect between the higher cortical volumes associated with long term amphetamine use and Hyaluronic Acid (HA) supplementation. If you're taking supps to boost Klotho and taking HA, you may not see any additional benefit in this area, just a little more consistent performance/attention, a little more courage, and I'm able to listen to music or and read at the same time, or tune out more background noise without being being distracted by it which is probably the biggest benefit I'm seeing now. 

 

I may not be making the most of it though for my goal, I tend to get more introspective and studious, and while I've also seen social benefits (my voice is bit stronger) I was hoping for a stronger social stimulant as that's where I need the most help keeping the pace up. I think the social apprehension side effect might be lower with dexedrine and might give that a try too. It's a psychosomatic side effect though... it happens b/c I put myself in more of the social situations that I usually avoid which means it's working to that end and I'm just not as socially proficient as I want to be yet. I am improving when off the drug and have even less apprehension than ever... Will be putting it all to the test soon.

 

Hey it sounds like you're doing pretty good then. If tolerance is becoming an issue the only thing that will really stop it is a break from adderall or less frequent usage. I'm sure you know you can lessen tolerance with various supplements like NMDA receptor antagonists, but ultimately you will still build tolerance just at a slower rate. Adderall has very little social or cognitive benefit for me when I don't get enough sleep or use it too many days in a row. I actually only take adderall once maybe twice a week these days. Doing this I haven't experienced any more tolerance or loss of efficiency. The only down side is that the hunger suppressing and insomnia inducing side effects are much stronger because my body doesn't have enough time to get used to them as if I were taking it everyday.   

 

I'd agree that Adderall helps you step out of your comfort zone a bit in social situations, sometimes its really useful for that. Its never a good idea to rely on it to socialize though (this doesn't sound like a big concern for you though). As long as you can keep a healthy social life on days you dont take it then you wont have a problem.

 

Ritalin is certainly worth a try. I've taken ritalin before and it does help with motivation and focus, but its a different type of focus. I feel a bit socially awkward on ritalin and when it starts to wear off It makes me far more irritable than Adderall. One really nice thing is that it causes less insomnia for me, and overall I don't get as many side effects. Its also generally accepted that ritalin comes with less risks long term, but that's mostly based on a few studies showing that it could be neuroprotective. Overall Adderall seems to help me more, but a lot of people swear by ritalin.

 

Edit: Also you can call me crazy, but some brands of adderall are way worse than others. I noticed a big reduction of benefits after my pharmacy changed brands from Barr to Corepharma. I switched to a different pharmacy that carried barr and I didn't have problems anymore.I find Barr and Sandoz (IR) to be the most effective.

Edited by TheBatman, 10 September 2015 - 07:44 AM.

[kurdishfella]

dont you guys think its sad you need drugs to form relations etc and work with your fellow human beings?