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[DukeNukem]

Well, a banana is about the least nutritious fruit going. Also, they do not keep well in the car for weeks on end. So, those Herb-All bars are an excellent back-up, and somewhat healthy on their own terms. If you're gonna tote around fruit, then an apple would be better, and mixed berries far better. The key is to eat something where you can eat the skin, as that's where most of the beneficial polyphenols/antioxidants reside. With fruits like oranges and bananas, the skin is peeled off, and all you're getting is the sugary, less nutritious meat, which is designed to feed the growing seeds, rather than protect the seeds from external damaging elements like the skin.

Generally, you want to eat dark or rich colors, so even with apples the "meat" doesn't have much value versus the skin. And this is why berries pack the highest nutritional punch, and they are generally darkly colored all the way through.

[jaydfox]

and mixed berries far better

Can't go wrong there. When I have the budget, I eat mixed berries (blue-, rasp-, and straw-) with oatmeal for breakfast. (Preemption: don't lecture me on oatmeal. BTW, this comment not aimed at anyone in particular.)

I also drink skim milk with such a breakfast. But I'm conflicted on the skim milk. My wife's ob/gyn warned her not to take her prenatal vitamins within 2 hours of milk or ice cream, as it could neutralize some of the folic acid. I haven't researched it more on my own, but it makes sense: milk has a pH of 8-9, IIRC, and in a large enough quantity can neutralize a moderate amount of acid. Many vitamins are acid-based (folic acid, ascorbic acid, pantothenic acid, etc.), so it seems like a valid concern. But milk's pH isn't really all that basic, so I'm not sure how much of an issue it really is, and at any rate, there's plenty of HCl in the stomach to neutralize the milk in a hurry.

[FunkOdyssey]

I think oatmeal is great. The gluten in it doesn't destroy your intestinal villi the way wheat gluten does, good source of fiber and slow digesting carbs, as long as you eat real oatmeal and not instant crap.

Talking about milk though will definitely open a can of worms, about the impact of pasteurization and homogenization on the nutritional value and health effects of milk

[jaydfox]

homogenization

Does that apply to skim milk as well? What about organic?

BTW, we're getting a little off-topic...

[DukeNukem]

Yes, the issue of homogenization applies to all processed milk, including organic milk.

If anyone gets a chance, highly recommend the movie, The Corporation. In it, there are two long segments that cover the milk industry. You. Will. Shudder.
http://www.rottentom.../m/corporation/

Probably available at Blockbuster.

BTW, oatmeal is a great grain to start the day with, as the beta glucans will help keep blood sugar levels lower all day. As Funk said, only eat the whole grain stuff without anything added. (I add about 15 ingredients, like whey protein powder, cinnamon, cocoa nibs, coconut oil, DMAE powder, creatine, LEF mix, and many more.) Deeeelicious.

[opales]

If anyone gets a chance, highly recommend the movie, The Corporation.  In it, there are two long segments that cover the milk industry.  You. Will. Shudder.
http://www.rottentom.../m/corporation/

Probably available at Blockbuster.

That movie, while interesting and raised couple interesting points (such as the view of a corporation as a externality maximizing entity), seemed mostly irrational anti-corporation propaganda. I don't know what is it about "corporations" that people are so afraid of but the reason they exist is that it has proven to be a complete superior method of organizing production and creating value and quite frankly accounts for most of the wealth we get to enjoy today. Hell, the very makers of that document never even realize that if it was not for the very instance they so eagerly critize, they would not be making propaganda movies but working their asses of in the wheat field. (Not that I say corporations are perfect or that criticism should be suppressed, rather just that the point of view would not be so goddamn one sighted)

And when making statements about milk that are in complete contradiction with scientific body of knowledge, provide some evidence.

[simple]

On regards to the sugar consumption, what is the problem, if you use normal foods and sugar in normal amounts, it doesnt causes for you to gain weigth, also I still dont see anything wrong on getting certain supplements from Walmart.

[curious_sle]

BTW, oatmeal is a great grain to start the day with, as the beta glucans will help keep blood sugar levels lower all day. As Funk said, only eat the whole grain stuff without anything added. (I add about 15 ingredients, like whey protein powder, cinnamon, cocoa nibs, coconut oil, DMAE powder, creatine, LEF mix, and many more.) Deeeelicious.

Duke, when's that game comming finally? Ok, off topic.

Erm, would you mind going into more detail on your breakfast combo? I'm kinda interrested others might want to learn more on the composition too. TYIA