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[xanadu]

Plastic is not a great storage medium. Try drinking bottled water that comes from the stores in plastic jugs. Now let it sit at room temps for a month and drink it. Notice the nasty taste? Where does it come from? Obviously, it is leached into the water from the plastic. That can't be good for you. Glass is the only really safe container material but try to find it anymore.

[joee]

I believe blast-frozen fruit preserves nutritional goodness the best (w/o the use of chemicals or applying heat etc)

I was told that certain companies (very few- expensive!) blast freeze their fruit/veggies, but cant remember who off hand, and I dont have the time to look it up right now.

It really sucks, the more you learn about this stuff- going shopping at the grocery store nowadays is turning into quite a depressing event! Theres hardly any nutrative value, and tons of toxic crap. All nice and convienant and priced just right- while you gotta jump hoops and go broke if you want to take care of yourself properly.

Oh well. I need to start a garden.

[sentrysnipe]

if you're going to juice raw celery and spinach, make sure it's organic. they yield high toxicity if cultivated using the traditional/pesticide-rich approach.

when i juice apple I do not remove the core and include the seeds. Should I not?

on veggie washes - aren't baking soda and vinegar just as effective? I find commercial vegetable washes expensive.

[sub7]

if you're going to juice raw celery and spinach, make sure it's organic. they yield high toxicity if cultivated using the traditional/pesticide-rich approach.

when i juice apple I do not remove the core and include the seeds. Should I not?

on veggie washes - aren't baking soda and vinegar just as effective? I find commercial vegetable washes expensive.

Baking soda and vinegar? Do you mix them? Can you pls elaborate on how to use them?

Thanks

Sub7

[icyT]

Freezing has not been shown to reduce nutritional content from what I've seen. Indeed, the argument that they spend less time heated in the open hot air (which is where bacteria dwells and how vitamins degrade) leads to better nutritional content is a good one.

That 'metal leeched from the can' thing is just paranoid, if it were in anything it'd be in the water and you can drain that.

As for canned goods, I've seen nothing saying they kept their nutritional content any better, though perhaps being in a water solution instead of open air might help. I'd say the amount of time required to stay on shelves and rot is probably a disadvantage though, make mine iced.

[sentrysnipe]

sub 7.. sometimes i use vinegar, sometimes baking soda. i don't know about using them together.. don't they cancel each other out?

[icyT]

Vinegar and baking soda will react with one another, yes.

[advancedatheist]

Why buy organic produce? I have it on good authority that we shouldn't fear pesticides in our food supply. Indeed, we should oppose the anti-life, indeed genocidal, movement towards organic farming.

[hyoomen]

Interesting article, advancedatheist. I'll see if I can dig up some similar articles or studies and compare data, though I know I've read article in the past explicitly indicating higher nutritive value within organic produce.

At very least, I can attest to the fact that organic produce, in my experience, tastes vastly superior to conventional produce -- insofar as they are available via commercial grocers in Texas.

With regards to the arguments of sustaining the world's current population through conventional produce manufacture, I question the premise of whether it makes sense to 'maintain' a population larger than what a world could support naturally, though this in and of itself gets painfully near the naturalistic fallacy.

[sentrysnipe]

Indeed, we should oppose the anti-life, indeed genocidal, movement towards organic farming.

hasty [huh] generalization. Bashing the whole industry includes organic livestock farming. if you rule out organic farming then have fun with GM rBGH, rBST and join the increasing diabetic insulin-resistant antibiotic-resistant community.

[xanadu]

The author of that study sounds biased saying consumers are being "bamboozled" into buying organic produce. I don't care what ferts are used I just don't like eating food with pesticides on it. The article didn't go into that aspect at all. I'll pay extra for food that has no pesticides or msg on it.

[virago]

I personally say use vegetable wash on everything when possible, or in a pinch soap and water. I do not usually bother peeling anything which can normally be eaten with the peel on. As for berries and such, I eat mostly locally grown or "organic," even though I agree with Osiris' views on that label. I must admit, my family and I have become caught up in the constraints of time and money and therefore eat what's probably considered an inordinate amount of frozen veggies. I rinse them before I consume them, and as for the loss in antioxidants and other valuable nutrition, I say that while it is definitely sub-optimal, it is better than consuming no vegetables at all. And I definitely disagree with Susma and believe that humans have the superior intelligence and therefore the responsibility to care about our health, especially something as basic as the quality of the food we eat.

Bottom line: Take as much care as possible, but don't overly worry; you can't always take every precaution to counteract every possible thing. It's better to get slightly diminished benefits than none at all.

[jdonahue]

The reason: Fruits and vegtables are very bad for you. The FDA and the USDA may fool you in to believing that these fruits, veggies, health bars, grains, etc. are good for you, but let's face the facts.

Fruits and vegtables contain oils that contanimate your body with these polyunsaturated fats that bubble up when entered into your bloodstream.

And Dr. Atkins died as a result of a heart attack, because Aktins gone back to eating fruits and vegtables after a few weeks. Why, because the polyunsaturated fats damaged the vessils in the heart leading up to the attack. The first step in the Aktins is to eat milk, eggs, meat, cheese, anything animal related, but stop exercising. Take short walks, but don't eat those poisonous fruits and vegtables. Try one of the most organic products that you have. Find a certified farm near you and get raw milk. Pasturized milk make shelf life longer, but distroys the emzymes in the milk. Raw milk maintains the emzymes. Eggs are very good for you. The saturated fats and the cholesterols in the milk helps deliver the nutrients in the eggs to your parts of your body.

So, here's what you can do to reverse it. First, phaze out the fruits and vegtables, and any fruit juices and stuff that you have. Introduce raw milk in your diet, or organic whole milk in your grocery store. DO NOT CHOOSE SKIM MILK! Choose whole milk that contains the saturated fats needed to transport these nutrients to your body parts. Stay away from processed foods or foods containing vegtable oils. When you are cooking chicken, you can actually fry your chicken, but use coconut oil or flax-weed/fish oil. These oils actually cure diabetes and reverse heart disease, and can't be overdosed because of the fats and cholestrols are wood for your body. Diabetes is a result of a lack of saturated fat in your body because your insulin can't respond to the polyunsaturates that the fruits and vegtables contain.

So, instead of fruits and vegtables, eat animal products that are meat and milk-based. Don't be afraid to treat yourself with ice cream...Ice cream is good for you, if organic, because the saturated fats in the ice cream. If you want homade ice cream, use organic whole milk, organic sugar, coconuts, and others. Use cocoa beans if you want to make chocolate ice cream, because recent studies show that caffene actually is good for your mind and alertness.

So, an ideal truth healthy diet: For breakfast, have a cup of whole milk instead of orange juice, and eggs and bacon cooked in coconut or fish oil. For lunch, you can have grilled chicken without the vegtables, and add the butter. A nice juicy, buttery sirloin stake is great, as longed as you have seasoned it with coconut sauce, and end the day with organic, icecream loaded with saturated fats, cholestral, and vitamins that will fill you up without making you fat.

So things to AVOID in your diet? Fiber, produce, soy, grain products, and of course, fruits and vegtables. A plant-based, fiber-rich, low-fat diets clogs up your arteries and is the main cause of an epidemic heart disease today.

Diabetics: Dont follow the American Diabetes Association. Eat a diet rich in saturated fats, and avoid these veggies. Fruits and vegtables worsen the disease, and avoid processed foods cooked with vegtable oils. A low-fat-moderate-protein-high-carb diet will only make it worse. Insulin resistance means lack of fats needed to transport your insulin to your bloodstream.

So, why do you feel sick? Fruits and vegtables contain polyunsaturated fats that clog your arteries and result in heart attack, diabetes, stroke, and more. Think that that apple keeps the doctor away? Eating an apple or a carrot or a celery is just as worse as smoking cigarettes.

[Shepard]

Excellent! You hear all those old crazies telling stories about how they lived so long.. blah blah honey, vegetables, fish, whatever. My grandfather had a filet mignon and a tablespoon of butter for every meal and lived a great life. That whole four strokes and two heart attacks before 60 was just bad genetics.

[scottl]

The reason: Fruits and vegtables are very bad for you.  .

[wis]

[sub7]

The discussion went slightly off-topic. If anone has any practical advice on how to use fruits and veggies with vinegar or baking soda, it would be helpful. How much of these do you use? Do you soak them in these..etc

[mitkat]

The reason: Fruits and vegtables are very bad for you.  The FDA and the USDA may fool you in to believing that these fruits, veggies, health bars, grains, etc. are good for you, but let's face the facts.

Fruits and vegtables contain oils that contanimate your body with these polyunsaturated fats that bubble up when entered into your bloodstream.

And Dr. Atkins died as a result of a heart attack, because Aktins gone back to eating fruits and vegtables after a few weeks.  Why, because the polyunsaturated fats damaged the vessils in the heart leading up to the attack. The first step in the Aktins is to eat milk, eggs, meat, cheese, anything animal related, but stop exercising.  Take short walks, but don't eat those poisonous fruits and vegtables.  Try one of the most organic products that you have.  Find a certified farm near you and get raw milk.  Pasturized milk make shelf life longer, but distroys the emzymes in the milk.  Raw milk maintains the emzymes.  Eggs are very good for you.  The saturated fats and the cholesterols in the milk helps deliver the nutrients in the eggs to your parts of your body.

So, here's what you can do to reverse it.  First, phaze out the fruits and vegtables, and any fruit juices and stuff that you have.  Introduce raw milk in your diet, or organic whole milk in your grocery store.  DO NOT CHOOSE SKIM MILK!  Choose whole milk that contains the saturated fats needed to transport these nutrients to your body parts.  Stay away from processed foods or foods containing vegtable oils.  When you are cooking chicken, you can actually fry your chicken, but use coconut oil or flax-weed/fish oil.  These oils actually cure diabetes and reverse heart disease, and can't be overdosed because of the fats and cholestrols are wood for your body.  Diabetes is a result of a lack of saturated fat in your body because your insulin can't respond to the polyunsaturates that the fruits and vegtables contain.

So, instead of fruits and vegtables, eat animal products that are meat and milk-based.  Don't be afraid to treat yourself with ice cream...Ice cream is good for you, if organic, because the saturated fats in the ice cream.  If you want homade ice cream, use organic whole milk, organic sugar, coconuts, and others.  Use cocoa beans if you want to make chocolate ice cream, because recent studies show that caffene actually is good for your mind and alertness.

So, an ideal truth healthy diet: For breakfast, have a cup of whole milk instead of orange juice, and eggs and bacon cooked in coconut or fish oil.  For lunch, you can have grilled chicken without the vegtables, and add the butter.  A nice juicy, buttery sirloin stake is great, as longed as you have seasoned it with coconut sauce, and end the day with organic, icecream loaded with saturated fats, cholestral, and vitamins that will fill you up without making you fat.

So things to AVOID in your diet?  Fiber, produce, soy, grain products, and of course, fruits and vegtables.  A plant-based, fiber-rich, low-fat diets clogs up your arteries and is the main cause of an epidemic heart disease today.

Diabetics: Dont follow the American Diabetes Association.  Eat a diet rich in saturated fats, and avoid these veggies.  Fruits and vegtables worsen the disease, and avoid processed foods cooked with vegtable oils.  A low-fat-moderate-protein-high-carb diet will only make it worse.  Insulin resistance means lack of fats needed to transport your insulin to your bloodstream.

So, why do you feel sick?  Fruits and vegtables contain polyunsaturated fats that clog your arteries and result in heart attack, diabetes, stroke, and more.  Think that that apple keeps the doctor away?  Eating an apple or a carrot or a celery is just as worse as smoking cigarettes.

This is your second post of this nature. I honestly can't believe what I'm reading, there's too many points to correct. Do you have any studies to back up these nonsensical claims about vegetables reducing lifespan? Are you a carnivore?

Btw, Atkins was an fool who apparently died because of his ridiculous diet.
http://www.thesmokin...atkinsmed1.html

[xanadu]

We seem to be getting new trolls with idiotic ideas on a regular basis. Could they all be the same person?

[mitkat]

I was thinking that too, although there doesn't seem to be any unifying factors between them all, unless you count just plain ol' weird posts.

[goku]

with a name like Donahue, can you blame the bloke?

[ajnast4r]

The reason: Fruits and vegtables are very bad for you.  The FDA and the USDA may fool you in to believing that these fruits, veggies, health bars, grains, etc. are good for you, but let's face the facts.

holy shit... that was serious?


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