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#1 RoyBatty

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Posted 04 May 2015 - 12:04 AM


Well, I know for personal experience, piracetam improved my dyscalculia, and it does also help to some ADHD people, so my wonder is, Have you had previous tries with oxiracetam, or pramiracetam, or both, and if so, do you know any good trustable retailer with decent purity products in Europe?  if not, Australia, EEUU and other places should be fine too.

 

I am just hyped thinking about "well if piracetam does this to me.... what could happen by taking something 5 times stronger?"

 

I'd appreciate any help.

 

I also take an DHA/EPA, bacopa, gotu kola, and lecithin stack, which in addition to piracetam, i highly recommend to anyone having "executive functions" issues. Also a tiny dose such as 0,5mg of melatonin does help a lot with sleep disturbances.

 

As i said, any kind person answering this post, shall be enormously thanked, and will have an incredible karma raise for his/her next lifes :P



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:04 AM

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:38 AM

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.

 

yes, lecithin, 2,4 grams is enough to prevent those popular headaches. i know people just tend to pick more other sources but for me its ok.

 

Well i have no objective measures of any kind, but, i do now calculate faster than my gf for example, and i was unable to do that before. Its a kind of dyslexia so for me, its a huge improvemet. My goals are to treat my adhd along with my dyscalculia, one of them is now, as said, under control.

 

time perception, plan making, decision making, sequence following, long term memory, short term memory, will power, sleep problems, and mood swings are some of the issues an ADD brain fights with.

 

Some now are improved, but i am still coffee dependant, so there is a huge path for me to walk. I know many people do not respond to racetams, just like it happened to you, but i have reasons to hold a strong belief about oxiracetam and pram may be beneficial to me. As i read somewhere sometime Ampakines were an experimental treatment to ADHD.

Ty for anwsering, and if you know any trustable web dealer, please let me know, you have my respect mate, cheers :)



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:41 AM

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.

 

Btw, phenyl, and aniracetam are not options to me, as im not heading for noots with stimulant properties, i quit nicotine, and tried some amphetamine analogues under medical control, but i didnt respond well. Too many side effects



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:09 AM

 

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.

 

yes, lecithin, 2,4 grams is enough to prevent those popular headaches. i know people just tend to pick more other sources but for me its ok.

 

Well i have no objective measures of any kind, but, i do now calculate faster than my gf for example, and i was unable to do that before. Its a kind of dyslexia so for me, its a huge improvemet. My goals are to treat my adhd along with my dyscalculia, one of them is now, as said, under control.

 

time perception, plan making, decision making, sequence following, long term memory, short term memory, will power, sleep problems, and mood swings are some of the issues an ADD brain fights with.

 

Some now are improved, but i am still coffee dependant, so there is a huge path for me to walk. I know many people do not respond to racetams, just like it happened to you, but i have reasons to hold a strong belief about oxiracetam and pram may be beneficial to me. As i read somewhere sometime Ampakines were an experimental treatment to ADHD.

Ty for anwsering, and if you know any trustable web dealer, please let me know, you have my respect mate, cheers :)

 

I would aim a little higher than "it hasn't helped me thus far, but I think it can".

It could very well be that your dyscalculia is simply a result of your ADHD, as ADHD can make it very difficult to hold numbers in  your head. Trust me, I would know, I myself have ADHD.

 

 

 

time perception, plan making, decision making, sequence following, long term memory, short term memory, will power, sleep problems, and mood swings are some of the issues an ADD brain fights with

 

I think for you, selegiline would be the best bet. Skip the *racetams. alldaychemist.com is a very reputable site that I've used multiple times. Selegiline is a non-stimulant way of increasing dopamine. For sleep, I would use clonidine, which itself can help with ADHD.

Selegiline is a MAOB Inhibitor. This means it lacks the traditional dangerous associated with MAOA Inhibition. However, above 10mg, selegiline begins to inhibit MAOA. I wouldn't go past 5 per day.

Clonidine is something that helped me sleep after 20 different things failed. I was on two anti-psychotics just to get to sleep, Zyprexa(!) and Seroquel. And they only worked 50% of the time. When I got Clonidine, it managed shut down the rapid thinking and just make me tired. It reduces norepinephrine, and when you are sleep deprived, it shuts down Orexin cells, which is one of the main neurotransmitters involved in wakefulness. With Clonidine, I couldn't stay awake if I tried. I would often be on my computer, and then just falling asleep browsing on the couch. I couldn't force myself to stay awake. It worked 99% of the time, only failing to put me to sleep about 1-2% of the time.

If you don't mind a bit of a plug, here's my video on non-stimulant ADHD medications:


My videos are all beta, and aren't the best quality, well, yet. :)  Tell me if you find the info useful.


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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:12 AM

And one more thing, I began to take a time-released dose of theophylline in order to manage my coffee addiction. I went from 7+ cups per day to 1-2. It's a tea extract that's usually used for Asthma. it antagonizes adenosine receptors like caffeine, but in a way that's different, such that it's not a stimulant. However, it greatly reduced my need for coffee, which was 10 years strong at that many cups per day. Careful though, theophylline has a narrow therapeutic index and going to high on a dose can have severe consequences. I would not pass 400mg.



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 02:18 AM

 

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.

 

Btw, phenyl, and aniracetam are not options to me, as im not heading for noots with stimulant properties, i quit nicotine, and tried some amphetamine analogues under medical control, but i didnt respond well. Too many side effects

 

Amphetamines are what's called Dopamine Releasing Agents, and also a NET inhibitor (norepinephrine) That means they reverse the DAT transporter to push dopamine into the synapse instead of its normal mechanism of taking it out of the synapse. For some that have too many side-effects from amphetamines, methylphenidate/Ritalin can be a good choice. Instead of being a DRA, it simply inhibits DAT, preventing the reuptake of dopamine instead of going that extra step of releasing it. This makes it a less of a "stimulant" than amphetamines and may be worth a shot. Also, I do not believe that methylphenidate effects norepinephrine like amphetamines do. That means you don't get that anxiety effect if norepinephrine effects you like that.

EDIT: I'm wrong. Amphetamines aren't a simple NET Inhibitor, but actually a norepinephrine releasing agent, just like its action on dopamine, but I believe the potency is less on NET. A ridiculous amount of info on Amphetamines:

http://www.sciencedi...301008205000432


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Posted 12 May 2015 - 02:18 AM

 

 

Do you take it with a choline source? How much did it improve your dyscalculia? What are your goals?

As for me, the *racetams never had much of an effect on me at all, and I could not tell the difference between one and another. I tried Piracetam, Oxiracetam, Aniracetam and others. All sugar pills to me.

 

Btw, phenyl, and aniracetam are not options to me, as im not heading for noots with stimulant properties, i quit nicotine, and tried some amphetamine analogues under medical control, but i didnt respond well. Too many side effects

 

Amphetamines are what's called Dopamine Releasing Agents, and also a NET inhibitor (norepinephrine) That means they reverse the DAT transporter to push dopamine into the synapse instead of its normal mechanism of taking it out of the synapse. For some that have too many side-effects from amphetamines, methylphenidate/Ritalin can be a good choice. Instead of being a DRA, it simply inhibits DAT, preventing the reuptake of dopamine instead of going that extra step of releasing it. This makes it a less of a "stimulant" than amphetamines and may be worth a shot. Also, I do not believe that methylphenidate effects norepinephrine like amphetamines do. That means you don't get that anxiety effect if norepinephrine effects you like that.

EDIT: I'm wrong. Amphetamines aren't a simple NET Inhibitor, but actually a norepinephrine releasing agent, just like its action on dopamine, but I believe the potency is less on NET. A ridiculous amount of info on Amphetamines:

http://www.sciencedi...301008205000432

 

 

well. I strongly oppose to taking amphetamines. I too dont think im in need for clonidine, because i found melatonin works for me.

As for dopamine releasers, whether stimulants or not, ive tried too many things to know by my self i might not benefit from increasing my dopamine levels, im in danger of suffering mania if i do. Ive tried before SSRI's and they put me on a rage rampage, so increasing serotonin is not an option neither.

 

Since i am having such a good experience with piracetam, until now, i am desperate about getting oxiracetam or pramiracetam as soon as posible, but im worried also about the purity.

I think your video is great, but as said, my options are Ampakines ( like racetams) or  acetylcholine agonists or reuptake inhibitors, as i showed somewhat improvement with nicotine. Those are my options.



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Posted 12 May 2015 - 07:39 AM

Do you object to taking pharmaceuticals? Do you feel there's a difference between them and supplements?



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Posted 14 May 2015 - 02:35 PM

i cant see your point. Most of the things i want to try are prescription meds/pills. in fact only said i object taking serotonin or dopamine reuptake inhibitors or agonists, because of previous experiences i had with some of them. I never said i object taking pharmaceuticals, in fact if i can find some pharmaceutical oxiracetam, which i believe, in some countries is sold in pharmacies, the better. Neither i said i think there is a difference between supplements and pharmaceuticals ( other than the obvious prescription component). anyway, i found your video and posts useful, but i think the recomendations might not apply to my needs, but any way thank you for replying :)



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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:04 PM

I would give Modafinil/Armodafinil a try if you can get the prescription/patient assistance program. It's only a mild stimulant, instead, it's a powerful and direct wakefulness agent with works through the Orexin system. I've seen this increase some people's ability to take in multiple or complex sources of information (though that is anecdotal), and it may help with your issues.



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 12:21 AM

I would give Modafinil/Armodafinil a try if you can get the prescription/patient assistance program. It's only a mild stimulant, instead, it's a powerful and direct wakefulness agent with works through the Orexin system. I've seen this increase some people's ability to take in multiple or complex sources of information (though that is anecdotal), and it may help with your issues.

 

 

I take Alertec-Brand Name Modafanil occasionally. I find it helpful temporarily, for cognition, attention and motivation, energy. However I get forgetful and crash in about 10-12 hrs. Not bad but I attribute this to antagonizing GABA as I'm already going through (refuse to go up another pill) withdrawal.  :blink:



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 12:52 AM

Modafinil doesn't touch GABA directly in any way. If you have some evidence to the contrary, non-rhetorically speaking, let me know.

Activating Orexin will increase activity in the Locus-Coeruleus, the only part of the brain that produces norepinephrine. It is also a mild DAT inhibitor, which is where the light stim part comes from. The heightened release of NE can easily leave you tried when it wears off. It's an overall drain of Catecholamines. One approach could be to take L-Dopa and EGCG at night to restore DA levels, and to a lesser extent NE levels. I do this every night because of my Vyvanse.



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 02:33 AM

Modafinil doesn't touch GABA directly in any way. If you have some evidence to the contrary, non-rhetorically speaking, let me know.

Activating Orexin will increase activity in the Locus-Coeruleus, the only part of the brain that produces norepinephrine. It is also a mild DAT inhibitor, which is where the light stim part comes from. The heightened release of NE can easily leave you tried when it wears off. It's an overall drain of Catecholamines. One approach could be to take L-Dopa and EGCG at night to restore DA levels, and to a lesser extent NE levels. I do this every night because of my Vyvanse.

 

 

Here's a good periodical showing the MOA of Moda:      http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2654794/

 

Nore-epi is also synthesized from the Lateral Tagmentum. Now i'm not sure if it is a secondary Gateway working in Tandem with the L. coer or an entity all on it's own?

 

Replenishing and bolstering up the Raw precursors for anything that causes re-uptake  to neurotransmitters is crucial and never to be neglected. People who do hard core dieting should always take individual amino acids, vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Marty Heinz advocated the use of his AA's along with co-factors to fully bolster and balance out the neurotransmitter integrity.

  Jim Carrey uses this to aid in his mood fluctuations.........http://www.ncbi.nlm..../dhps-3-069.pdf







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