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#1 Jim2000

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Posted 15 March 2016 - 10:28 PM


Hello.

 

I've made quite a big leap in terms of cultivating positive emotions through habits, diet, lifestyle and better thinking but one pretty big thing remains.

 

I'm 22 years old and for a year or 2 i've been experiencing orgasmic anhedonia; very little to literally no orgasm after ejaculation. This is also accompanied by sedation which can last up to a few days and vary in intensity. Sometimes its been so strong that I felt like I was on a tranquilizer for days with a brain working at 20% capacity.

 

Many times I've also experienced instant apathy / depression and intense brain fog that can last days at a time after ejaculating.

 

I don't have a problem with erections or anything. I wake up with morning wood most days and even get them randomly at times, although i'm not very sexually driven mentally.

 

I've tried nofap and it does seem to return clarity and lift the sedation after about 5 days most of the time, but it's not sustainable and when I end it 90% of the time the same thing happens.

 

I'm thinking this might be something to do with prolactin / dopamine? Any insight or help with this would be great.

 

Thanks.


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Posted 15 March 2016 - 11:27 PM

"NoFap" is extremely powerful if sustained. There are far too many people out there who directly experience the long-term negative side effects of masturbation, myself included, and sadly it's something people take as a joke who have never experienced.

 

What do you mean when you say "it's not sustainable and when I end it 90% of the time the same thing happens."?



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Posted 15 March 2016 - 11:59 PM

"NoFap" is extremely powerful if sustained. There are far too many people out there who directly experience the long-term negative side effects of masturbation, myself included, and sadly it's something people take as a joke who have never experienced.

 

What do you mean when you say "it's not sustainable and when I end it 90% of the time the same thing happens."?

 

Well I do notice consistant results in getting back to normal, and sometimes even enhanced mood and high energy after a while. But this enhancement is on and off so it's probably placebo, I've also felt pretty robotic / emotionally numb too after a long while without fapping.

 

By not sustainable I don't mean willpower wise, i'm cool with that. I mean it isn't reasonable to be popping half-boners out in public from lack of physical release, and eventually if you do it for long enough your balls get way too painful (3 weeks in my experience). Then unfortunately when I stop I get the symptoms I usually experience (little to no orgasm pleasure along with intense fatigue/drowsiness for days often accompanied with apathy/depression).

 

I'd like to fix this instead of repeating the same cycle over and over.


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Posted 16 March 2016 - 01:18 AM

Sounds like Anhedonia. I have the exact same issue.

My mood is fine, i dont feel depressed, but i dont get pleasure from anything, or i crash from exercise/orgasm.

 

A psychiatrist posted on reddit that to solve these kind of things, low dose SSRI helps. What i find confusing with that is that SSRIs make orgasm difficult. 

Then i stumbled upon the TCA augmentation strategy with SSRIs, which counters the sexual side effects.

So now i get full orgasm pleasure from a combo of SSRI & Nortriptyline, as well as exercise feeling good again.

 

Depression comes in many forms, and it's misunderstood. Any kind of crash after a pleasurable activity usually means there is an underlying depression, especially if all your senses are blunted.

World looking grey, minimal emotions, smells not as vibrant as before, no libido/sexual pleasure, food doesn't taste delicious like it used to, touch doesnt feel like it used to.

Yet with all these happening you can still be in a good mood, which is my case.

 



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Posted 16 March 2016 - 07:03 PM

Sounds like Anhedonia. I have the exact same issue.

My mood is fine, i dont feel depressed, but i dont get pleasure from anything, or i crash from exercise/orgasm.

 

A psychiatrist posted on reddit that to solve these kind of things, low dose SSRI helps. What i find confusing with that is that SSRIs make orgasm difficult. 

Then i stumbled upon the TCA augmentation strategy with SSRIs, which counters the sexual side effects.

So now i get full orgasm pleasure from a combo of SSRI & Nortriptyline, as well as exercise feeling good again.

 

Depression comes in many forms, and it's misunderstood. Any kind of crash after a pleasurable activity usually means there is an underlying depression, especially if all your senses are blunted.

World looking grey, minimal emotions, smells not as vibrant as before, no libido/sexual pleasure, food doesn't taste delicious like it used to, touch doesnt feel like it used to.

Yet with all these happening you can still be in a good mood, which is my case.

 

May I ask which SSRI with Nortriptyline you are on?   Just out of curiosity.  Thanks
 



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Posted 16 March 2016 - 08:15 PM

only times ive had no hedonia were when i was fapping more than once a day.  its like smoking an eighth of danks a day, after a while you dont even feel it

 

but i have chronic mild anhedonia. i vainly treat it with bacopa [that increases tph2 and sert, w/o PSSD or sexual side effects]



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Posted 17 March 2016 - 01:39 AM

I've been a maturbating addict for over 25 years. When I was in my teens it really started to take a toll on me. I became worse and worse and more tired and failed in school when I used to be one of the brightest kids. At around age 20 I lost all sense of purpose and direction in life. Now, 38 years old, one thing I notice is that in the evenings like now my brain does not work whatsoever. In the mornings its better and I can sort of accomplish things and put value to things but in the evening I feel like a paralyzed person. I've read that the dopamine receptors take like 14 days to "recover" from orgasm. Heavy exercise I believe can help according to the article. Sorry don't know where it is. I am personally thinking of reading and applying Dr. Amens methods and possibly getting a brain scan. My biggest break so far from masturbating is around 10 weeks. I think it is beneficial. However, the mental gains can be lost very easily. I still suffer from evening mental deadness. People think this is a joke. This is an extremely serious condition. It is brain destroying. I know this because I am living it. I am actually considering surgery. If only I had a doctor and money I would do it.


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 11:16 AM

"Hello.

 

I've made quite a big leap in terms of cultivating positive emotions through habits, diet, lifestyle and better thinking but one pretty big thing remains.

 

I'm 22 years old and for a year or 2 i've been experiencing orgasmic anhedonia; very little to literally no orgasm after ejaculation. This is also accompanied by sedation which can last up to a few days and vary in intensity. Sometimes its been so strong that I felt like I was on a tranquilizer for days with a brain working at 20% capacity.

 

Many times I've also experienced instant apathy / depression and intense brain fog that can last days at a time after ejaculating.

 

I don't have a problem with erections or anything. I wake up with morning wood most days and even get them randomly at times, although i'm not very sexually driven mentally.

 

I've tried nofap and it does seem to return clarity and lift the sedation after about 5 days most of the time, but it's not sustainable and when I end it 90% of the time the same thing happens.

 

I'm thinking this might be something to do with prolactin / dopamine? Any insight or help with this would be great.

 

Thanks."

 

 

I have the exact opposite of your problem. After ejaculation, my mood brightens, I can concentrate better, I become more alert and so on. Actually I've noticed multiple times, that if I mastubate before going to bed, it's harder to fall asleep.



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Posted 17 March 2016 - 11:28 PM

Sounds like Anhedonia. I have the exact same issue.

My mood is fine, i dont feel depressed, but i dont get pleasure from anything, or i crash from exercise/orgasm.

 

A psychiatrist posted on reddit that to solve these kind of things, low dose SSRI helps. What i find confusing with that is that SSRIs make orgasm difficult. 

Then i stumbled upon the TCA augmentation strategy with SSRIs, which counters the sexual side effects.

So now i get full orgasm pleasure from a combo of SSRI & Nortriptyline, as well as exercise feeling good again.

 

Depression comes in many forms, and it's misunderstood. Any kind of crash after a pleasurable activity usually means there is an underlying depression, especially if all your senses are blunted.

World looking grey, minimal emotions, smells not as vibrant as before, no libido/sexual pleasure, food doesn't taste delicious like it used to, touch doesnt feel like it used to.

Yet with all these happening you can still be in a good mood, which is my case.

 

I'd rather not mess about with SSRIs if possible, i'm hoping to find a way to fix this with supplementation if I can.

 

I do get depressed on and off but overall it's improved a lot. Even when i'm perfectly happy though I can switch to apathetic/depressed and deeply sedated straight away after fapping which is pretty fucked up.

 

 

Hoping to get more posts here with insight into the possible mechanisms behind what's going on.



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Posted 19 March 2016 - 10:26 AM

http://area1255.blog...asy-5-step.html

 

Discontinue any medication you suspect might be causing the issues but consult a Doctor first.
Get a Doctor to rule out hypothyroidism and hypogonadism.
Be sure to begin taking a multi-Vitamin fortified with all essential B-Vitamins, Zinc and Vitamin D.
Get out and go for a walk or attempt to participate in some form of Physical Activity (perhaps when the above prerequisites are taken care of)
Follow a Dopamine-Boosting-Stack to replenish some of the neural circuitry that may be depleted:

  • Shilajit is known to decrease Serotonin, increase Dopamine and 'mimic' glycine thereby improving memory, libido and motivation (1) (2).
  • Mucuna Pruriens (the second image link) contains a natural dopamine precursor ; L-DOPA - which is also a compound used to treat Parkinson's disease (3) (4).
    • Also contains minor DMT analogues which, theoretically, can have additional euphoric effects. 
  • Mu  GUA ('Common Flowering Quince') - acts as a DRI; Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor - thereby reversing the transport and 'locking' dopamine back into the synapse...similar to the mechanism of amphetamine but without any effect on noradrenaline or serotonin which means it is VERY SAFE (5).

he also recommends Deprenyl



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Posted 19 March 2016 - 02:00 PM

 

http://area1255.blog...asy-5-step.html

 

Discontinue any medication you suspect might be causing the issues but consult a Doctor first.
Get a Doctor to rule out hypothyroidism and hypogonadism.
Be sure to begin taking a multi-Vitamin fortified with all essential B-Vitamins, Zinc and Vitamin D.
Get out and go for a walk or attempt to participate in some form of Physical Activity (perhaps when the above prerequisites are taken care of)
Follow a Dopamine-Boosting-Stack to replenish some of the neural circuitry that may be depleted:

  • Shilajit is known to decrease Serotonin, increase Dopamine and 'mimic' glycine thereby improving memory, libido and motivation (1) (2).
  • Mucuna Pruriens (the second image link) contains a natural dopamine precursor ; L-DOPA - which is also a compound used to treat Parkinson's disease (3) (4).
    • Also contains minor DMT analogues which, theoretically, can have additional euphoric effects. 
  • Mu  GUA ('Common Flowering Quince') - acts as a DRI; Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor - thereby reversing the transport and 'locking' dopamine back into the synapse...similar to the mechanism of amphetamine but without any effect on noradrenaline or serotonin which means it is VERY SAFE (5).

he also recommends Deprenyl

 

 

This is definitely what I experience along with the sedation feeling and sometimes just out of nowhere for a few weeks. Thank you.

 

As for what he recommends:

 

- I've never been on medication apart from antiboitics if they count, and I repopulated with good bacteria afterwards.

- I've cut out pretty much all supplements for months. Only thing i'm taking consistantly is vitamin D3.

- I've ruled out hypothyroidism, and I doubt I have hypogonadism because I have a lean muscular physique and get morning wood most days.

- I used cron-o-meter and saw that I get enough zinc and B vitamins.

- I eat a lot of protein and exercise regularly.

 

So according to that guide the last thing left to try is the supplements. Is Mucana Pruriens safe to take? Because I remember reading about L-Dopa having some dangers. 

 

I'll look into them.

 

Just got some taurine too.


Edited by Jim2000, 19 March 2016 - 02:06 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 09:58 PM

Jim2000,

 

to fully solve your problem, I honestly believe it will require that you totally stop masturbating and combine that with efforts to rebalance your system. This is obviously very vague advice. I can't give you a scientific explanation to why masturbation is causing such a extreme response in you, but I believe it is indeed responsible based on not only my own experience but the experiences of many others.

In my experience there are plenty of treatments, exercises, therapies, supplements, and drugs that can work to reverse those symptoms, but if the masturbation is sustained, I believe the symptoms will keep returning.

 

This may sound extreme, but what I have done is started to treat masturbation and its urges like a physical addiction. For me, it has almost all of the symptoms, give or take. For even the times when I wouldn't masturbate during the day, wet dreams would happen and bring the urges back even stronger until I did masturbate. I almost would treat it worse than addiction for the simple fact that it can occur without your willful action. Most normal adults do not have to masturbate frequently to satisfy urges, nor do they have frequent wet dreams. For most normal adults, the biological compulsion is not there.

 

This is just my 2 cents. I know there are many that will disagree with me, but I personally believe this sort of thing is not to be treated lightly, that is if you care about your mental health.

 

Personally I've been considering trying Ayuhascha (brew) or even Ibogaine, since both of those are notorious for reversing addiction in even the most hardcore drug addicts.



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Posted 22 March 2016 - 02:27 AM

join me jim! this week im going nofap & noweed for the first time in 6 years. hoping to get laid around the 3-4 week mark, cheers to confidence


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Posted 06 September 2016 - 01:03 PM

Hi everybody!

 

I have a similar issue.

 

There is ten years that I can`t have an orgasm! Unfortunately my problem is not related only to orgasm; I can`t feel aroused (horny) anymore for about ten years. Nothing make me feel horny anymore. I don`t feel pleasure on masturbation and orgasm on ejaculation. I don`t feel horny if I watch any erotic or pornography scene. I don`t feel horny if I think in sex. I don`t desire sex as I don`t feel horny! I don`t feel like masturbating because I don`t feel horny! I can stay months without masturbation as I don`t feel horny/aroused.

 

I don`t really have a spontaneous erection anymore if I see someone or think in a erotic situation. If I want to have an erection I need to touch in my penis forcing an erection but I can`t keep it as I don`t feel horny. The only spontaneous erection that I have is when I am sleeping. I wake up hard everyday. I have a normal testosterone levels.

I don`t feel horny if I am with anybody having sex or without sex.

 

After going to some doctors I went to a psychosexual clinic in London and answered a big core and they said that my libido problem is related to a depression. It looks like I have depression for ten years. I started going to the psychiatrist and he prescribed me bupropion (Zyban). It`s about 8 months I have started taking bupropion. I am having the maximum dosage which is 450mg per day. I feel ok about my mood but I got no result related to my sexual anhedonia/anorgasmia

 

What I and the doctor are thinking is that I have an unbalance of my neurotransmitters mainly dopamine. Bupropion would balance dopamine levels and then I could start feel pleasure on masturbation, orgasm, feel aroused, etc. Unfortunately I am not really sure that it will work as I am on the 8th month of my treatment. That`s the reason I am on this forum to see if someone have the same problem as me and could share some experience and maybe got a good response with bupropion or another treatment.

 

Thanks!

 

Antonio



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Posted 06 September 2016 - 03:06 PM

Bupropion made my orgasms better, but didnt do much for libido. Trazodone was working for some time.

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 03:51 PM

Hi sant2060, lucky you if you have at least orgasms. Ten years I can`t feel it anymore. I will search about Trazodone which you mentioned. Do you feel horny sometimes?



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Posted 08 September 2016 - 10:37 AM

Hardly anything to do with prolactin. Prolactinergics do not produce anhedonia, just relaxation and in sufficient amounts tiredness where you end up falling asleep. Just try a cycle of deca which is prolactinergic and you'll quickly see that prolactin is not your problem. Masturbation does a lot more like downregulation of dopamine and androgen receptors, reduction in dht and free testosterone and increase in estrogen. In me, it causes incoherent or "skipping" thinking like that seen in people with adhd.



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Posted 10 September 2016 - 04:41 AM

seems like L-Arginine deficiency.

take moderate amounts (2-4 g) of L-Arginine on empty stomach in the morning.

also red rose extracts or buds (as tea) at night would help you to get back on normal orgasm pleasures more quickly

 


Hi everybody!

 

I have a similar issue.

 

There is ten years that I can`t have an orgasm! Unfortunately my problem is not related only to orgasm; I can`t feel aroused (horny) anymore for about ten years. Nothing make me feel horny anymore. I don`t feel pleasure on masturbation and orgasm on ejaculation. I don`t feel horny if I watch any erotic or pornography scene. I don`t feel horny if I think in sex. I don`t desire sex as I don`t feel horny! I don`t feel like masturbating because I don`t feel horny! I can stay months without masturbation as I don`t feel horny/aroused.

 

I don`t really have a spontaneous erection anymore if I see someone or think in a erotic situation. If I want to have an erection I need to touch in my penis forcing an erection but I can`t keep it as I don`t feel horny. The only spontaneous erection that I have is when I am sleeping. I wake up hard everyday. I have a normal testosterone levels.

I don`t feel horny if I am with anybody having sex or without sex.

 

After going to some doctors I went to a psychosexual clinic in London and answered a big core and they said that my libido problem is related to a depression. It looks like I have depression for ten years. I started going to the psychiatrist and he prescribed me bupropion (Zyban). It`s about 8 months I have started taking bupropion. I am having the maximum dosage which is 450mg per day. I feel ok about my mood but I got no result related to my sexual anhedonia/anorgasmia

 

What I and the doctor are thinking is that I have an unbalance of my neurotransmitters mainly dopamine. Bupropion would balance dopamine levels and then I could start feel pleasure on masturbation, orgasm, feel aroused, etc. Unfortunately I am not really sure that it will work as I am on the 8th month of my treatment. That`s the reason I am on this forum to see if someone have the same problem as me and could share some experience and maybe got a good response with bupropion or another treatment.

 

Thanks!

 

Antonio

 

Have you ever tried Opiod Antagonists like Naltrexone? 



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Posted 10 September 2016 - 08:24 AM

Hi sant2060, lucky you if you have at least orgasms. Ten years I can`t feel it anymore. I will search about Trazodone which you mentioned. Do you feel horny sometimes?


There was a period when I couldnt have proper orgasm...like, it would happen, but with bleeh intensity.

Tried shitload of things, nothing worked except Bupropione, Trazodone and Yohimbine (not as a cocktail, was usually on only one of those and cycling)

All three work for me (although with some differences) for bringing orgasm explosion to, well, explosion level :)

However, as hornynes goes, its been very hard for me to recreate that, had only glimpses of it with Trazodone. Also, preorgasmic enjoyment is not even close what it should be, really strange, like plumbing works, I can find my way to the top, but everything preceeding is meeeh...like massaging my foot or something. Speaking of massage, I dont enjoy that too anymore.

Anhedonia is a bitch. Btw, someone mentioned SSRI, even low doses of like 37.5 venlafaxine would shut down my sex life beyond repair.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:33 PM

Anyone have any new information on sexual anhedonia?

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:00 AM

i can suggest histamines. I've experienced my best orgasms ever after about a gram of l-histide, an hour before masturbation. L-histide is kind of not very readily available and hence somewhat pricey for an amino acid. But if you experience anything close to what i had, its definitely worth it. Zinc is a MAJOR concern, if anyone decides to test l-histide. Other than that histamines can be obtained from beer, wine, fermented food, etc.

 

Hardly anything to do with prolactin. Prolactinergics do not produce anhedonia, just relaxation and in sufficient amounts tiredness where you end up falling asleep. Just try a cycle of deca which is prolactinergic and you'll quickly see that prolactin is not your problem. Masturbation does a lot more like downregulation of dopamine and androgen receptors, reduction in dht and free testosterone and increase in estrogen. In me, it causes incoherent or "skipping" thinking like that seen in people with adhd.

Im personally convinced that ejaculation (and sexual arousal in general) is associated with increased release of DHT. Ive never heard about the downregulation of androgen receptors? Got any studies? 



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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:06 AM

The increased dht from masturbation is a myth. Masturbation is anti-androgenic, not pro-androgenic.

There is some evidence to suggest that sexual abstinence for long periods (months) may also be anti-androgenic. This is consistent with the reduction in libido seen in sexually abstinent people, although the reduction does not make up for the increase (in other words, they are still horny).

 

As for the negative effects of masturbation, I have found out that I can remove these negative effects (not 100% but still a lot) by supplementing with 100s of milligrams of pregnenolone (at least 100mg seems to do it but more is better) daily. On the second or third day is where the benefits begin of increased penile sensitivity and feeling masculine (very mildly) even in spite of having masturbated, which normally produces feelings of effeminacy.


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