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Calorie restriction + Maintaining weight (as much as possible)

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#1 Never_Ending

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 12:38 PM


Hello, this might seem almost the exact opposite of what the majority of present day people are trying to go for (with all the weight loss ads etc) But I think there is value in ways to maintain weight and cut calories. For example I'm normal weight etc and have been working on calorie restriction methods, however I don't want to lose a lot of weight. Just wondering if others have similar thoughts and/or know of good ways to do this. It's not really a question of if it's doable, but more so to what extent is it doable?

 

Example: can you cut down 20% calorie intake and still maintain 98% weight(after stabilized) or is the maximum 95% at that kind of calorie cut (just example).

 

If you want to debate on the value of this ...or don't get why it's beneficial ... just ask and we can discuss.


Edited by Never_Ending, 29 April 2016 - 12:43 PM.


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Posted 29 April 2016 - 04:27 PM

If you're already at optimal weight, why risk making a change that could disturb your advantageous homeostasis? If anything, I would think that taking supplements to boost metabolism would be best for you if you commit to doing it continuously. On one hand, calorie restriction extends healthspan, on the other, it slows metabolism and can make one more susceptible to injury (lower testosterone and other neurosteroids and structural hormones). Faster metabolisms also seem to lead to greater healthspans and more fun and motivation and may reduce the amount of pro aging metabolic byproducts. I feel like it's 6 of one and half dozen of the other, just that faster metabolic rate is more fun. Body Builders seem to have great healthspans.

 

Any time you cut calories, you risk losing BAT (Brown Adipose Tissue) which is responsible to increasing or maintaining higher levels of metabolism. There aren't many ways to improve this, though I seem to remember reading that Viagra could do it some what... but it was producing "beige" adipose tissue rather than brown, so I'm not sure what the repercussions of that will be... whether it's a net benefit or bad thing that will lead to harmful byproducts... Thyroid hormones and testosterone iirc, will increase brown fat if high enough levels are maintained for months, though these are both harder to get scripts for than Viagra apparently...

 

That said, I'm sure there are benefits to be had with calorie restriction, and if you can find easy and available ways to increase satiety, motivation, libido, and energy levels while on it, then I'd love to hear about that. I guess I'm more of a "More and Faster" kind of life extensionist as opposed to a "Longer and Slower" type. Tried it, got depressed and felt like I was fading away. I still like several day supplement and water fasts that involve protecting brown fat and I have to wonder if cofactoring adrenaline production and it's catabolism will lead to similar attrition of senescent cells through enhanced catabolism... though this of course comes with injury risks.


If you're already at optimal weight, why risk making a change that could disturb your advantageous homeostasis? If anything, I would think that taking supplements to boost metabolism would be best for you if you commit to doing it continuously. On one hand, calorie restriction extends healthspan, on the other, it slows metabolism and can make one more susceptible to injury (lower testosterone and other neurosteroids and structural hormones). Faster metabolisms also seem to lead to greater healthspans and more fun and motivation and may reduce the amount of pro aging metabolic byproducts. I feel like it's 6 of one and half dozen of the other, just that faster metabolic rate is more fun. Body Builders seem to have great healthspans.

 

Any time you cut calories, you risk losing BAT (Brown Adipose Tissue) which is responsible to increasing or maintaining higher levels of metabolism. There aren't many ways to improve this, though I seem to remember reading that Viagra could do it some what... but it was producing "beige" adipose tissue rather than brown, so I'm not sure what the repercussions of that will be... whether it's a net benefit or bad thing that will lead to harmful byproducts... Thyroid hormones and testosterone iirc, will increase brown fat if high enough levels are maintained for months, though these are both harder to get scripts for than Viagra apparently...

 

That said, I'm sure there are benefits to be had with calorie restriction, and if you can find easy and available ways to increase satiety, motivation, libido, and energy levels while on it, then I'd love to hear about that. I guess I'm more of a "More and Faster" kind of life extensionist as opposed to a "Longer and Slower" type. Tried it, got depressed and felt like I was fading away. I still like several day supplement and water fasts that involve protecting brown fat and I have to wonder if cofactoring adrenaline production and it's catabolism will lead to similar attrition of senescent cells through enhanced catabolism... though this of course comes with injury risks.



#3 Never_Ending

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 01:11 AM

On one hand, calorie restriction extends healthspan, on the other, it slows metabolism and can make one more susceptible to injury (lower testosterone and other neurosteroids and structural hormones).

 

 I guess I'm more of a "More and Faster" kind of life extensionist as opposed to a "Longer and Slower" type.

 

 

I wouldn't risk a normal weight range, am just discussing ideas.

Those 2 schools of thought(that you mention) can sometimes seem contradicting to one another... Both have important lessons to be learned from.  For example faster might help clear cellular debris and waste better... but slower might prevent buildup of that waste (due to less work being done).

 

I guess the reason for my post was more in line with "Longer and Slower".  In some ways it depends on what the person feels more comfortable with... Someone who likes a faster and more forward lifestyle might not like the slower approaches and visa versa. 

 

This is a controversial point but if it was purely down to a matter of  metabolic speed (and risk factors being controlled, since the faster active lifestyle has a way of curbing health risks)   If it was purely a matter of metabolic speed....I would have to say that slower is likely to be the one that slows aging more.

 

In some ways it's a matter of risk assessment, for example faster might help more people ON AVERAGE because it clears up the stasis in the body and supports a fit lifestyle. However the slower or CR route allows for less work to be done by the cells and perhaps less damage(but you risk things being gummed up and some pathway failing). Future life-extension therapies would probably have to draw from both of those methods.

 

 


Edited by Never_Ending, 30 April 2016 - 01:16 AM.


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