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[wanderlust]

 

the line of this conversation is currently a Hate crime here in the UK

 

This is a science conversation you SJW censorship fascist. Keep your beak out if you want to discuss politics and not science. 

 

 

hi ben

My comment is about the ethics  of this converstion not about  politics .

ethics and sience are intertwined and must always be so.

it is intresting that you call me a "censorship fascist" when defending your right to work on ways to "cure " a minority group .

 

i actually quite like the idea of a stright pill being for sale and a gay pill being for sale .giving people the abillity to choose there sexulitys would be great and it would decress the rate of gay bashing and gay rape

 

because gay bashing (the act of attacking and harming a gay person becuase they are gay ) is often followed by gay rape (of the gay person by the "stright person/ people ") as far as i understand it its people who are insecure about there own sexuality that commit such hate crimes , people who are in a deep state of denial about there own homosexuality .

 

 a few months ago a japanse man grabbed my ass and started needing it as i was  chatting to my mates  at the bar in a fettish club. i just laughed and said "wow hands off buddie" 

 

I am secure enough in my sexuality as a straight man to laugh such things off.

 

perhaps if you are looking to cure queer people maybe you might want to think about your own sexuality and what effect repression has on you ?

[Starvinsky]

I'd certainly go for a bi pill, myself.

 

Seriously, this convo took so very little time to devolve from an interesting if touchy subject into borderline hate speech and outdated freudian notions.

 

Masturbation turning people effiminate.. is it the 19 century again yet? You forgot the link to epilepsy and the absence of a strong father figure. sheesh.

The rise of homosexuality? Seriously? It's been there for a while, it's just a wee bit more visible.

 

Talking about the 'ethics' of homosexuality is a complete waste of time, not to mention morally objectionable. It's also of topic.

Drifting from the genetic component to the possible evolutionnary advantages is interesting, sure, but again, off topic.

 

Also, you're going to fry your brain before you manage to change anything. There are worst things than being gay/bi, learn to live with it. Right now you're heading into a lot of suffering.

 

 

 

[maik2013]

I have nothing against homosexuals. This agree disagree thing on the bottom is really good, it shows me that I'm wasting my time.

 

 

Edited by maik2013, 25 May 2016 - 09:00 AM.

[gamesguru]

We could just as easily adjust their chemistry so they feel and identify as the body they were born into.

But I would rather focus on some such things as regrowing teeth or eye components, and restoring vision and motor control to the neurologically blind or paralyzed.

[IP3]

"Everything is a chemical switch, and everything can be manipulated with, we just need to figure out how." Yes, but homosexuality is hardwired into your brain in prenatal period ant cannot be changed in adult life. I will give you funny comparision, when you give growing up external testosterone his penis will grow, but give it to adult man, there will be no effect.

Homosexuality benefits in evolutionary perspective is well describen on wikipedia. First notice that human evolutionary pressure is applied to the community and not on an individual.

[gamesguru]

The so-called "gay uncle" hypothesis? What's it got to do with the Matrix? I say if we can regrow organs and digitalize consciousness, the sky is the limit. Any part of the brain running upstream can be gutted for a nondefective and lab-grown replacement.

[PeaceAndProsperity]

"Everything is a chemical switch, and everything can be manipulated with, we just need to figure out how." Yes, but homosexuality is hardwired into your brain in prenatal period ant cannot be changed in adult life.

Strange then that boys raped by older men almost always either turn homosexual or bisexual, without any seaming hormonal reason for it. Just look at Afghani "chai" boys.

Conversely, adult men raped in prisons can also turn homosexual or bisexual. 

 

And what about other forms of sexuality, such as where humans are sexually attracted by animals, or where older men are attracted by young boys?

I don't think any female hormones or hormones in general are involved in this, unless you are talking about male horniness due to high androgen levels which results in the male being able to have sex with practically anything, even a towel.

 

In women it's obvious, though. Almost all lesbian women cut their hair short which is a big indicator of androgenic hormone status, being that the shorter the hair often means the more androgens, and vice versa (but not always). Lesbians also have extremely masculine facial and bodily features often. Ellen DeGeneres literally looks like a 12 year old boy.

[gamesguru]

Strange then that boys raped by older men almost always either turn homosexual or bisexual, without any seaming hormonal reason for it. Just look at Afghani "chai" boys.
Conversely, adult men raped in prisons can also turn homosexual or bisexual.

And what about other forms of sexuality, such as where humans are sexually attracted by animals, or where older men are attracted by young boys?
I don't think any female hormones or hormones in general are involved in this, unless you are talking about male horniness due to high androgen levels which results in the male being able to have sex with practically anything, even a towel.

And what about a fear of spiders, or an enlarged perception of one's hands, or an antibody interfering with a receptor... eventually people will realize the body is like a car. If you're willing to replace every part, it can be maintained forever.

Edited by gamesguru, 26 May 2016 - 12:25 PM.

[platypus]

Some bisexuals can teach themselves not to act on homosexual urges. Very homosexual or very heterosexual people cannot be converted, it just does not work. 

[IP3]

"Strange then that boys raped by older men almost always either turn homosexual or bisexual, without any seaming hormonal reason for it." -any realiable source?

 

Brain of homsexual man reacts to male feromones and is inert to female ones http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15883379

 

Every form of conversion therapy should be banned by law!

[Team Timberly]

For a "scientific" discussion, there are an awful lot of unfounded opinions on why being gay is somehow a negative thing.  Either way, maybe these help?

 

There's evidence for epigenetics -- remembering that this also refers to incomplete genetic "blanking" during fertilization.

http://www.sciencema...difications-dna

 

Then in 2015 another study found and reaffirmed genetic linkages

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25399360

 

Or hey, maybe it's actually caused by having a larger penis!  I sort of hope it is just because I would kill to witness the first defensive argument made by someone who's afraid people might think he's gay.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/10410197

 

Overall though . . . man this is just a really pointless thing to worry about changing . . . mean unless you're trying to make yourself bi so you have a larger playing field or whatever.  Or, I mean I guess I could see a hypothetical gay person wanting to be straight for practical reasons like wanting to have kids naturally and their preferred person only looking to be partnered with acutely straight males.

 

Realistically, it's like saying that desiring pizza is awful and you would hate desiring pizza . . . which I guess is just another strange thing to have negatively associated thoughts about?

Edited by Timothy Peers, 27 May 2016 - 02:24 PM.

[medievil]

I posted months ago here once how nefiracetatam indued gay fantasies in me once, so that made me think wheter glutamate could be implicated in  being gay, and strange enough i found a study showing that fruitflys genetically modfied to have more glutamate turned guy, i only got a reply from a internet nerd posting a video to that weird troll site or something, i have nothing against gay people, also would never have gay sex, even tough i had some gay fantasies i wouldnt do anything with a man i find it a bit over the top for myself, that said a large percentage of straight people had sex with a man once.

 

There definatly imo is a chemical difference between gay and straight people, such like there is a difference btw outgoung poeple and sciencetists which would be more ocd, something only is a desease if it causes distress to oneselves or others, scientists with ocd benefit from it, but people can undergo extreme stress because of ocd.

 

I didnt realy the whole thread, not interested in interernet heros posting being gay is wrong, im not sure wheter thats a american thing or something, i dont care admitting i had gay fantasies that time on nefiracetam, im still alpha and like to fuck nice girls, but i think european people are more accepting, in america your only a man if you carry a gun or something, and then there are mass killingseveryday lol

[medievil]

 

i actually quite like the idea of a stright pill being for sale and a gay pill being for sale .giving people the abillity to choose there sexulitys would be great and it would decress the rate of gay bashing and gay rape

 

Offcourse its a good idea to give gay people the option to change themselves if they find it hard to live that way, anyone against that hasnt got a clue what some ppl go trough, heck even just a open minded forum like longecity, i made a post and a god qa reply from a nerd to that freaky forum, forgot the name.

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[PeaceAndProsperity]

This "homosexuals respond to androgens" talk is meaningless to mention because when women are given androgens in sufficient amounts and for long enough, they turn gay and become attracted to other women. But when homosexuals take or are given androgens they're still homosexuals and don't want to be with women.

[kurdishfella]

there are a lot of secret gay people in society, anyway, sexuality can be both genetics and individual (consciousness etc)

 

https://www.dailymai...l-hormones.html

 

• Progesterone is a hormone that contributes to formation of social bonds
• Heterosexuals with more of the hormone are more open to homosexuality

Edited by farshad, 22 November 2019 - 11:20 PM.

[Mr Serendipity]

I watched this vitamin d deficiency youtube video a few months back with a female doctor who was a researcher on vitamin d and helping her patients with it. 

 

I can't find the exact video now, it was quite a long interview (like an hour) where she is mostly explaining the cases and research she has done into vitamin D. But she mentions that transgenderism is caused by vitamin d deficiency, it was literally a 5 second soundbite, almost like a slip, and then it was never mentioned or brought up again.

 

I know if I take too much Vitamin D (5000 IU a day), I become super calm/apathetic, which I found another longecity user also mentioned experiencing this effect, and he believed it was due to the increase of serotonin vitamin d causes.

 

The other thing to look into is thiamine deficiency, just because sulbutiamine increases thiamine in the brain and body, and has been proven to help alleviate psychogenic erectile dysfunction. Psychogenic erectile dysfunction being your ability to get aroused, but that doesn't mean you can never get aroused by anything. If yourbrainonporn forum is anything to go by, there are people who can get aroused by porn but not by real women, so assuming sulbutiamine could have a therapeutic application with that type of psychogenic erectile dysfunction (as they are still turned on by women, but only virtually), it might have an application for homosexuality (because of it effects to the psychogenic function of arousal).

Edited by Jesus is King, 11 December 2019 - 05:03 PM.