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[meatsauce]

With all the molecular hydrogen research I think breathing hydrogen might be a better way to get it into the body rather than drinking it. Also doing it rectal wold work as well just like ozone but that might not be much different than breathing it. 

 

So if I got a hydrogen producing machine and put an attachment on it so I could breath through plastic tubes I wonder If I would need to add oxygen or if I would get enough from from the mixture of air coming in through my nose.

[Turnbuckle]

I've never tried this, but you may find it interesting--

 

https://hydrogenfoam...re-h2-breathing

 

 

[meatsauce]

Thanks for the link. Im thinking too we could immerse our face in the gas and I'm sure the skin would absorb it making it a good skin care regimen.

[adamh]

This is what I've been saying in the hydrogen water thread. Breathing it has to be more efficient than drinking water with a few parts per million. I have ordered some stainless steel wire to use as electrodes and I will produce my own h2 via electrolysis. All you need is a dc voltage source, electrodes, a container and water. I will use a glass jar to collect the gas since it goes through plastic so quickly.

 

I have a variable transformer and power diodes so I don't need to buy a dc power supply. You need more than 12v, probably 30 to 50 would be good.

[meatsauce]

A large hydrogen tank is not that much. I was quoted about 275$ for a 5 foot tank for hight purity H2. I'm sure that would last a long time. All we would need to do is get an oxygen tank as well I think so we could mix the two. No idea what equipment would be needed fro that atm.

[Turnbuckle]

Thanks for the link. Im thinking too we could immerse our face in the gas and I'm sure the skin would absorb it making it a good skin care regimen.

 

Or you could insert your arm or leg in a bag and fill it up.

[niner]

A large hydrogen tank is not that much. I was quoted about 275$ for a 5 foot tank for hight purity H2. I'm sure that would last a long time. All we would need to do is get an oxygen tank as well I think so we could mix the two. No idea what equipment would be needed fro that atm.

 

If you want to go this route, you need a regulator that's safe for flammable gas.  H2 is pretty easy to ignite.  I don't see a need for oxygen.  That just introduces a new set of hazards.  If you use something like nose prongs and set the flow low enough, you'll get enough oxygen from the air you breath.  Definitely check out the hydrogen water thread-- I think there's some evidence in the literature that H2 in water works better than breathing the gas, which seems a bit counter-intuitive. Maybe breathing would be better if you could do it constantly, but H2 in water gives a more sustained delivery?  Just a hypothesis.

[meatsauce]

Hmm interesting. I was thinking about breathing it while you sleep. Maybe that would be to much, maybe it would be great. The thing is we don't want to interfere with ROS signaling which hydrogen is not supposed to do that much or at all even.

[pampoenkop]

Off topic, but aren't you afraid that you will spontaneously combust?

[adamh]

Meatsauce, that price does it include both the tank and the hydrogen? Does it include the regulator? Probably not, nor the hoses. All that stuff is expensive. What would it cost to refill the tank and where would you take it? If you have to send it out to be refilled, the shipping is going to eat you up. A 5' tank is big and heavy. You will not be able to send it usps, and it would be considered hazardous material costing even more. Perhaps have to be sent by truck.

 

Call me cautious clay but I want to point out that fire is not the only danger here. You can suffocate very easily breathing any gas including helium, nitrogen, etc. Since you are breathing and your co2 is being released, you don't realize you are suffocating often until its too late. Its the co2 build up that makes you gasp for air when you hold your breath. You would just get faint and pass out possibly never to awaken or wake up with brain damage. Breathing it while sleeping is asking for trouble, imo.

 

If I fill up a glass jar with h2, there is no way to suffocate. I would just sip a little, take in some air behind it and hold. Then breath slowly a few minutes before the next toke since it will take a while to exit the lungs. Water with 2 ppm means a liter has about .002 cubic cm of hydrogen in it. Approximately. Even if you absorb every bit of it, its still only micrograms or picograms of the stuff. Breathing is how we take in oxygen, while I agree we are evolved to absorb o2 and not h2, it would have to come along for the ride given how easily it perfuses our tissues. The one study I saw about using gas spoke of using 2% h2. That means only a tiny bit per breath. 

 

I strongly recommend against using tanks of it with a mask or anything that might give pure h2 and exclude air by accident. If you are going to use the tank, perhaps use it to dissolve  in water? What would absorb hydrogen better than water? Anyone know? I assume cold water will absorb more than hot. Perhaps put a little h2 in a jar containing pure water, shake and let it sit a few days? Then you could sniff the h2 off the top and drink the water. It also avoids any contamination from electrodes if going that route. 

 

Maybe we could come up with a better carrier like, I dunno, maybe some oil or other substance that just happens to like hydrogen and will capture more than the pathetic 2 ppm of water. 

 

Overdosing might be an issue come to think of it rather than not being able to absorb enough. I've never heard of hydrogen poisoning so maybe not but it could be a U shaped curve in which you lose the benefits using too much. Or Maybe a curve in which you max out and get no further benefit from more. That seems likely.

[niner]

If I fill up a glass jar with h2, there is no way to suffocate. I would just sip a little, take in some air behind it and hold. Then breath slowly a few minutes before the next toke since it will take a while to exit the lungs. Water with 2 ppm means a liter has about .002 cubic cm of hydrogen in it. Approximately. Even if you absorb every bit of it, its still only micrograms or picograms of the stuff. Breathing is how we take in oxygen, while I agree we are evolved to absorb o2 and not h2, it would have to come along for the ride given how easily it perfuses our tissues. The one study I saw about using gas spoke of using 2% h2. That means only a tiny bit per breath.

 

2ppm is a lot more than that:

 

2 ppm = 2 mg/kg.  One litre water = 1 kg.  So that's 0.002 g H2/ Litre.

 

0.002 g H2/L * (mol H2/2.016 g H2) * ( 22.4 L / mol gas) * (1000 cc / L) = 44.8 cc H2 @ STP.  That's about one and a half fluid ounces of hydrogen.

[adamh]

OK, its a bit more than I thought, I was thinking volume and since hydrogen is so light 2ppm of volume would be .002 cc. By weight it would be more. However I'm not sure about this part

 

" 44.8 cc H2 @ STP.  That's about one and a half fluid ounces of hydrogen."

 

How does 2mg of h2 = 44.8 cc? I know its light but that sounds bizarre. And what is a fluid oz of hydrogen? You mean volume, right, not fluid?

 

So if your figures are correct, and no doubt they are since you have chemistry background, then all we would need to have the equivalent of a liter of h2 water would be 45 cc of gas. Assuming its absorbed which is another question. Make a whole liter of hydrogen and huff it down. 

 

Does anyone know of a liquid that absorbs h2 easily?

[adamh]

If that much h2 weighs only 2mg, you could make a small hand grenade out of it combining with the right amount of O2. Put it in a small glass container, ignite it and you do not want to be anywhere nearby when it goes off. Only 2mg of hydrogen will do that? That is far more powerful than 2mg of tnt or pure nitroglycerin. The government may start regulating water and electricity if the terrorists find out.

 

It goes to show you do not want to mix h2 gas with oxygen or even air if you can avoid it. Do not smoke or have open flame around when using it. 

 

As for storing hydrogen, palladium works well but is pricey. Activated carbon is said to work. H2 will cause steel to become brittle so don't put it in a tank not meant to hold it. Probably our best bet if no tank is used is to simply keep it in a glass jar and use as needed or generate as needed.

[aconita]

Hydrogen takes a lot of space, that's why it is quite unlikely the car of the future will have an hydrogen tank, too short of a mileage out of it, much worst than lithium batteries.

 

Producing hydrogen is not that difficult, storing and handling it is a different story.

 

Because the above it seems quite reasonable to consider a smarter route to focus on generate and use it immediately rather than attempting to store it for later since inevitably is going to be complicate, expensive and likely dangerous if not very carefully and knowledgeably done.