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[ironfistx]

There was another thread where someone said dno't buy pills with silica because if you breath it in it will mess you up? Maybe it was silicon dioxide.

[normalizing]

how do you sniff silica from the pills? do you break em down to powder and then try to swallow? i assume it will cause some air passage problems for sure but not unless you do this.

 

for magnesium stearate, i read it causes kidney inflammation long ago and it has some bad reputation as nasty filler, BUT nothing concrete as of yet. im curious if someone can put some more info on this if possible. for one, is it likely to cause constipation, since i analyzed i consumed large amount of magnesium stearate and i can get constipated often.

[Baten]

More than anything, mag stearate has an ill effect on the bioavailability of the capsule contents. It's all about how much you're willing to pay for a version without fillers...

[Tom Andre F. (ex shinobi)]

my website dynveo.com provide only fillers free capsules and when possible only the pullulan caps wich is also more natural version of the capsule itself

 

Especially for me who take lot of differents pills a day, I wanted to avoid fillers / blinders accumulation. However, this make my cost price much more expensive, but still I aligned my price with the market.. Using stearate magnesium, silicar, maltodextrin etc are actually ethod to make cheaper the encapsulation process: you make the raw material less sticky and the machine can do it easier way.

 

Without, like we do.. it means more loss, slower process etc.. It still a choice

 

Edited by Tom Andre F. (ex shinobi), 09 January 2017 - 01:00 PM.

[ironfistx]

how do you sniff silica from the pills? do you break em down to powder and then try to swallow? i assume it will cause some air passage problems for sure but not unless you do this.
 
for magnesium stearate, i read it causes kidney inflammation long ago and it has some bad reputation as nasty filler, BUT nothing concrete as of yet. im curious if someone can put some more info on this if possible. for one, is it likely to cause constipation, since i analyzed i consumed large amount of magnesium stearate and i can get constipated often.

Some members open pills and put the contents in their mouth to take it sublingually. This happened during the nr conversation.

[BasicBiO]

Ive never come across any convincing data showing magnesium stearate is harmful which leads me to believe its mostly internet lore.  Given the numbers and amounts of supplements I've taken, my kidneys should have crawled away by now.

 

Seriously though, if there's solid scientific data out there..Id like to see it (and not a flipping blog post).

[normalizing]

from what i can remember it was on ncbi and it was a mouse study where kidney damage was linked to high amounts of magnesium stearate and ill try to find it when im at home and have time.

but im still convinced it causes constipation if anything. im pretty sure there is nothing else i take to cause it but this because all the pills i take are oversaturated with it and considering its used as anti-sticking agent, it would logically prevent sticky material to move through the colon

[Dolph]

There is simply NO WAY magnesium stearate could cause any kind of kidney damage. Neither in mice nor in man. The spreading of this bullshit just shows how many people have no clue what they are talking about.

I'm not sure where these silly rumors came from, although my prime suspect is the notorious "quacktor" Mercola. It's just a ridiculous marketing scheme to push overpriced supplements with a catchy label claim. 

[cat-nips]

Just the abstract:

Magnesiumstearate is a substance often used as a diluent in the manufacture of medical tablets, capsules and powders. Moreover it is usually found as a food additive or pharmaceutical excipient. We report the first case of a 28 years old woman affected by an allergic reaction from this substance with an urticarial manifestation.

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Site:

https://toxnet.nlm.n...erm @rn 57-11-4

 

Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia...nesium_stearate

 

Anecdotal:  The common ingredient within certain supplements that I have taken over the years that I have had problems with and couldn't determine why, until a buddy helped me figured this out.  

 

I'm not convinced of safety.  If one were taking 10+ supplements daily over a period of a few years all containing trace amounts of stearic acid or mg. stearate, I wonder if the cumulative effects of the additive could be causing problems in itself.  Yes, a choice, but it's a choice to say no going forward, for me.  I'd rather deal with the extra cost or inconvenience of encapsulating myself.  

Edited by cat-nips, 03 October 2018 - 02:59 AM.

[Dolph]

BULL - SHIT!

[cat-nips]

Lol. A perusal of any IBS message board will reveal that a lot have problems and have identified stearic acid and magnesium stearate as problematic with issues being resolved after they stopped taking it. I guess the studies on toxnet are bullshit too and invalid just because you have deemed it so.

[cat-nips]

A more recent-ish article I found from 2017.

 

Listof known side effects
Although generally considered safe, stearic acid has been reported to cause several side effects in humans. It can cause skin irritations with symptoms of severe itching, redness, and swelling. It may also cause rash-like symptoms similar to tiny red spots. It can also make the skin sensitive to substances and direct exposure to the sun. Furthermore, it may cause hive-like spots in the skin which often lead to blisters that can damage the skin. There are certain cases in which stearic acid caused the skin to turn scaly.

Stearic acid can be harmful to the environment, particularly the aquatic environment, as it can harm aquatic life with long lasting effects.

Body systems affected by stearic acid
There are several body systems affected by stearic acid. One of these is the digestive system as consuming products that contain stearic acid can make absorption of essential nutrients needed by the body difficult. Another body system that can be adversely affected by stearic acid is the immune system. Consuming large amounts of stearic acid can damage and weaken the immune system. The chemical can also harm the integumentary system as it may irritate the skin. Moreover, the ocular system can also be affected by the chemical because it can cause serious eye damage or eye irritation. When inhaled, it can be detrimental to the respiratory system as it can cause respiratory tract irritation.

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So it's not like a total poison and won't kill you immediately, more like slow death by arsenic.  Yep, I see how that's totally safe in minute amounts.  Sure thing.  I call BS on that with an alternate opinion deviating from the absolutely declarative, unnecessarily hyphenated for gross emphasis, statement made above.  

 

Edited by cat-nips, 04 October 2018 - 01:16 AM.