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[Live Forever]

[John_Ventureville]

I think what this whole situation calls for is a new holy crusade to be called by none other than the Roman Catholic Pontiff himself! [thumb] With his blessing the military forces of the United States and Europe can truly take upon themselves the mantle of Crusaders. And with our technological superiority and better trained fighting forces we can quickly occupy Iran, Syria and all the other trouble making little states which don't bow down to the cross of Christianity and modern-style corporate controlled democracy! Now keeping what we capture will be a whole other matter, so it will be necessary to reinstate the draft so our occupying forces can properly stifle any serious dissent. This is just as well since young people need military experience to learn to be obedient and hardworking citizens (as any Robert Heinlein fan would surely know).

It's time for some of that old time religion!!!

And truth be told, the militant Muslims of the world would just eat this up!

http://www.brokennew...d_E_969crusades

Best wishes,

John

[Karomesis]

(%$@# the muslims.

If I had the artisitc ability I would draw allah ********* with a pig. [lol] [lol]

And then a martyr going to paradise being comfronted with 72 bucktooth virginians instead of virgins.(due to a misprint in the koran) [lol] [lol]

Everyone else can be made fun of except them. yeah right. I have a couple of domains and some newly aquired webmaster skills, look up the whois and come and get me instead of killing women and children you spineless cowards. [thumb]

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[Karomesis]

Indeed it is. And I disseminate contempt for all religions equally since they are lies, and I HATE lies, I love the truth like "some" are supposed to but don't because they are blinded by "faith". So I guess in that sense I'm an equal opportunity employer huh?

I never spoke highly of judaism, and I never will. I just don't think jews are likely to bomb busses full of women and children instead of opting for the "surgical strikes". Do parties get killed on both sides? yes. And it pains me to see it. But how do we stop it prometheus? by acting like 2 wrongs make a right?

or by proclaiming them both to be frauds.(which they are.)

[Live Forever]

The title in your first link is hilarious:

"Okay, So Let's Get This Straight: On Monday, Bush Admitted That he Lied About Leaking a Lie to Smear Someone Who Revealed the Truth About His Lying"

[drmz]

(%$@# the muslims.

If I had the artisitc ability I would draw allah ********* with a pig. [lol]  [lol]

And then a martyr going to paradise being comfronted with 72 bucktooth virginians instead of virgins.(due to a misprint in  the koran) [lol]  [lol]

Everyone else can be made fun of except them. yeah right. I have a couple of domains and some newly aquired webmaster skills, look up the whois and come and get me instead of  killing women and children you spineless cowards. [thumb]

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Is this a joke or your serious comment on the issue ? I thought you were one of the people with great reasoning skills....(from reading your replies in other topics ) apperently you only get 1/ 10 of the story.

I wont elaborate on killing woman and children, because i don't want to offend people living in a certain country.

[RighteousReason]

Everyone else can be made fun of except them.

Southpark: Best show ever, or best anything ever? [thumb]

[RighteousReason]

Best episode: Tom Cruise & Scientology.

Prometheus: A fan of Southpark? And I thought you were the one explaining how important it was to bury our heads in the sand.

Violence-mediated solutions, whether declared as rightful war and fought by state of the art electronics or defined as terrorism and carried out by bomb-carrying religious zealots, will never provide the optimal solution for mankind.

Gee, and how do you propose to stop the terrorists from attacking? Ask nicely? We can't just leave the Middle East alone, because then we allow the terrorists to build their forces and infrastructure to take us down more effectively. We can't operate through diplomatic channels because by definition of being a religious extremist, they will not compromise for anything less than our death. The only plausible defense is a good offense.

[drmz]

alot of well conditioned people running around on this planet........

[Brainbox]

"Deception of the Trush", a very good piece of experimental rock music by King Crimson, that "describes" this sort of thing musically. To be found on the "Level 5" album.
Then "Signal to Noise" by Peter Gabriel on the "Up" album.

Plain words are insuficient to deal with this imo.

It's inevitable to react to the reality that is being presented. But it leaves us powerless regarding the real causes behind the situation.

Edited by brainbox, 22 April 2006 - 04:05 PM.

[caver]

To do list:
Restructuring or dismantling campaign finance in the US, and revoking the 14th amendment rights of heedless corporations. Address irresponsible military actions and irresponsible corporate investment in the 3rd world. Work on ousting governments run by religious factions, or otherwise extremist and oppressive governments. Develop poor foreign economies with the end to help the people in those countries enjoy better lives, thereby making friends and improving the world.

Sure we should argue the merits of our maladaptive cultures. And we should point fingers at the short-comings of other cultures. We also need to take a look around and say: "Holy crap! Look how ****ed up this whole word is!"

"quality of total democracy" heh good one [wis] Think I'll go puke now...

[stormheller]

Yo, that is messed up. Most of my friends are of the Muslim faith, and I find their religion to be way better than hypocritical Christianity.

[Mind]

Yo, that is messed up. Most of my friends are of the Muslim faith, and I find their religion to be way better than hypocritical Christianity.

To each his own stormheller. One thing I can say for Christianity is that there are few Christians whose goals are genocide. Can't say that for Muslims (ie..."drive the jews into the sea").

[Karomesis]

Gee, and how do you propose to stop the terrorists from attacking? Ask nicely?

Perhaps there is some merit to this proposal. "To those of you smite on one cheek, turn to your enemy the other as well" [lol]

I can speak for myself when I say I could care less what or who you worship, worship feces for all I care; just don't EVER tell me that I have to bow before some worthless statue or have my wife dress in accordance with your absurd religion.

I am all for leaving people to their own devices(however ridiculous) as long as it does not interfere with my life, but the moment you overstep that line you are making me an enemy.

These religious extemists, as you so conveniently categorise them, operate under numerous delusions

Which all religions operate under prometheus, What is the proposed remedy for this particular malady? One would have to augment their concious in such a way as to prevent these delusions you speak of. Meaning an end to religion. As much as I hate religion, I respect freedom above everything else and would not want to interfere with someones choice even if it was something I hold in contempt.

Is this a joke or your serious comment on the issue ? I thought you were one of the people with great reasoning skills....(from reading your replies in other topics ) apperently you only get 1/ 10 of the story.

You did read my second post , right? If I draw a cartoon and it is thought obscene by some imbecille, what importance should I grant it?If you belive a single, even cursory aknowledgement, then it is you who do not understand the story. I will henceforth live my days trying to please everyone, what do you think?

Read my sig. [thumb]

[stormheller]

"To each his own stormheller. One thing I can say for Christianity is that there are few Christians whose goals are genocide. Can't say that for Muslims (ie..."drive the jews into the sea"). "

And how many Muslims do you know personally? Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? Terrorism is common only in certain parts of the Muslim world. The only reason Muslims don't want Jews in Palestine is because by repatriating (a thousand years too late I might add) they uprooted (by force) so many Islamic families who have lived there for generations. What about Turkey, Kazakhstan, et al? They aren't violent at all.

[Live Forever]

"To each his own stormheller. One thing I can say for Christianity is that there are few Christians whose goals are genocide. Can't say that for Muslims (ie..."drive the jews into the sea"). "

And how many Muslims do you know personally? Have you ever lived in a Muslim country? Terrorism is common only in certain parts of the Muslim world. The only reason Muslims don't want Jews in Palestine is because by repatriating (a thousand years too late I might add) they uprooted (by force) so many Islamic families who have lived there for generations. What about Turkey, Kazakhstan, et al? They aren't violent at all.

I think Mind's point was that a larger percentage of Muslims are for the use of violence (suicide bombings, etc.) than the percentage of Christians. Even if it is a small amount of the overall Muslim population, I would much rather have a group of fundamentalist Christians around (ok, so they are annoying too, but all they really want to do is outlaw abortion/gay marriage and hold back scientific progress) than have a group of fundamentalist Muslims around (I am kind of partial to not being blown up). It may not be fair, but the fundamentalists are the ones that get the most press, and (again, whether it is fair or not) Muslims have serious image problems with most people in the West.

Of course, my view is that just about all religion does more harm than good for society.

Edited by liveforever22, 25 April 2006 - 06:57 AM.

[Mind]

Liveforever22 has echoed my sentiments very closely. The Muslim faith has a problem in that a small percentage of them are intent on violence and genocide (particularly against Jews).

[Infernity]

Yo, that is messed up. Most of my friends are of the Muslim faith, and I find their religion to be way better than hypocritical Christianity.

No problem with Muslims, but with the fanatic ones that want to take over the world [glasses] , which are dominant....


-Infernity

[RighteousReason]

can think of numerous superior solutions that could ensure Israel's security and the region's stability other than launching a war against, and occupying, a sovereign state without international support

Well, I believe you.

However, I think you are presumptuous if you are saying that you can imagine a practical, unfailable security system for Isreal or the United States, short of removing the cause of the problem- i.e. the intelligent enemy.

[Brainbox]

You could think of it as a military issue, which gives "good" opportunities to deal with it. Just deal with the consequences of issues that are presented to the world this right moment. Inevitably, this is the first thing to do. Threads should be answered directly. Period.

On the other end of the spectrum, there’s the huge difference in culture and level of civilisation. A high level of civilisation is the ability to “agree to disagree”. This state of mind seems very hard to reach. To utterly disagree with someone and still drink a could beer together.

It’s this aspect I’m quite pessimistic about. Due to all kind of fluctuations in the development of mankind, there will always be nations, religions or whatever condition that cause big differences in opinions that are very hard to overcome. Or even are exploited by authorities to cultivate some kind of “us” feeling and sentiment. For whatever reason I fail to understand. Or is it part of our basic genetic behaviour? Or a testosterone induced from of madness?

It’s the more civilised society that is forced to take uncivilised measures to handle uncivilised threads. And I realise that it’s always both or all sides that claim to be the only one that is civilised.

So, let’s define civilisation as being able to “agree to disagree”. And try to get that message around the world. And in the meantime try to show some respect for each other.

It’s really that simple, agree to disagree. Or …. hmmm, this dogma might develop into a new religion or political movement?

Bummer.

[sfty]

[RighteousReason]

It’s really that simple, agree to disagree.

Wow, that would be the most moronical political movement to ever develop.

Instead, why don't we agree to figure out the right answer?

[Brainbox]

I hope you did not miss the irony I tried to put in this.

It's a situation that has been over simplified in the past and will, possibly, or more likely probably, also be simplified in the future.

Moronical? Right. That’s what this all is.

That's what I would like to express. Every good or less good intention will be dogmatized and the arguments simplified to communicate with the "masses". And that’s the way the "masses" will communicate with each other.

Edited by brainbox, 01 May 2006 - 07:22 AM.

[Mind]

Here is a interesting read about Muslim intent to destroy all Jews

[Live Forever]

Here is a interesting read about Muslim intent to destroy all Jews

The Jews really have had a tough time throughout history. The end of the article is quite frightening.

[Brainbox]

I removed my contribution to this post yesterday because it became my opinion it could very easily be misinterpreted.

I managed to write down my thoughts on the issue a lot better here.

And let me add to that, that in this context in my opinion, oppression can never be an excuse for individual apathy regarding acquiring knowledge.

[scottl]

RElated to the title of this thread a piece of fiction--maybe:

http://www.dansimmon...ews/message.htm

NB: while I gather there are some inaccuracies, the overall picture is scary:
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"“I mean the Century War with Islam,” interrupted the Time Traveler. “Your future. Everyone’s.” He was no longer smiling. Without asking, or offering to pour me any, he stood, refilled his Scotch glass, and sat again. He said, “It was important to me to come back to this time early on in the struggle. Even if only to remind myself of how unspeakably blind you all were.”

“You mean the War on Terrorism,” I said.

“I mean the Long War with Islam,” he said. “The Century War. And it’s not over yet where I come from. Not close to being over.”

“You can’t have a war with Islam,” I said. “You can’t go to war against a religion. Radical Islam, maybe. Jihadism. Some extremists. But not a . . . the . . . religion itself. The vast majority of Muslims in the world are peaceloving people who wish us no harm. I mean . . . I mean . . . the very word ‘Islam’ means ‘Peace.’”

“So you kept telling yourselves,” said the Time Traveler. His voice was very low but there was a strange and almost frightening edge to it. “But the ‘peace’ in ‘Islam’ means ‘Submission.’ You’ll find that out soon enough”
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“Eurabia,” said the Time Traveler.

“There’s no such place,” I said.

Edited by scottl, 07 May 2006 - 09:12 AM.