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#1 vader

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:04 PM


Hello,

 

I'm a very lonely guy. Even though I work right now, I still feel lonely all the time. I don't have a girlfriend and most of my attempts to change my position in life (aka reaching out) didn't really pan out and I've ended hurt or in a worse position. I've had some friends, but I've mostly got drunk with them, etc. and it seems like they moved on to having girlfriends and living life somewhat differently and even then, it's at most once or twice a week I could see a friend and the rest is just rotting. I've tried some classes, but the problem is that i'm too anhedonic to enjoy them and to have any passion towards those classes. At times i feel like i long for any human touch (oxytocin deficiency?)

 

At this point I'm open to any intervention - opiates, SSRIs, LSD, cocaine, amphetamine, you name it. I don't care. I just need results - banishing my loneliness is my major quest. I'm severely depressed right now and my cognition is at it's all time worst. I don't think i can make it much years more and i need to tackle this shit fast, because i'm spiraling down really bad.

 

Any advice welcome.

 

BR


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#2 Diamondz

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 07:29 AM

Sorry you're in a depressed state and having relational defects.

 

I don't know if it corrects your concerns, but you can obtain Oxytocin from the internet. I was to obtain a vial of 5mg and use some amount for a while. Thought it would make me happier, and connectable. I don't have relational problems personally, and always did well when I knew there was loving connections and positive relational experience given off from both people. You also reduce negative experience when others are protective of you and make positive-related responses.

 

I'm aware that drug use can reduce your perception and caring of relational elements and you care more from your drug habit rather then others, if that's a way to reduce your connection and loneliness from others.


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#3 aconita

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 09:56 AM

I think the issue might be considered under different aspects: one behavioral and one physiological.

 

Girls (and others in general, for that matter) don't like guys with problems, needy, unhappy, unfulfilled, depressed, without a scope/enthusiasm in life, without interests and passion,  etc...

 

Read the above again several times: it is a really important point.

 

If not having a girlfriend or/and friends makes you feel like the above of course things can only be spiraling down, the more you get depressed and needy the more girls an others will keep a distance from you and you wil get even more depressed and needy and it never ends...

 

My suggestion is first stop feel bad because you don't have satisfying relationships, it plays against you, it doesn't help at all to change things and anyway.... always consider that is much better alone than in bad relationships!

 

Find yourself something interesting to do that fulfills you, something to be passionate for, something that makes you feel alive and kicking.

 

It may be sport, it may be culture, it may be traveling, whatever it is doesn't matter, your happiness and satisfaction is the only thing that really matters.

 

Don't do it for others, don't try to please others, do it for yourself, as selfish as it comes.

 

You don't know where to start?

 

Well, try something new, maybe something you always thought about just like a fantasy... life is now and procrastination may lead to missed opportunities.

 

Once you'll be happier with yourself others will be attracted to you because it is nice to be around an happy person, as simple as that.

 

But don't just act as happy, it doesn't work, you have to really be happy for it to work.

 

Stop thinking you need others in order to be happy, it is the other way around: you need to be happy in order to have others!

 

Leave them alone, don't reach for them (or you'll get hurt, as you already experienced), let them come to you and if they don't doesn't matter: forcing things will only worsen things guarantee.

 

In the path to make yourself happy and fulfilled some physiological factors may be involved too, but don't make the mistake to take that as an excuse to ignore the above!

 

I don't know how old are you but anyway it may happen at all ages...hormonal unbalance, especially low testosterone but not only, leads to depression and more.

 

Consider an hormonal test.

 

If you don't train I warmly suggest you to do so, weight lifting does good for hormones and not only, of course.

 

Don't under valuate hormones and/or other physiological factors in how deeply they can influence the psyche and behavior, often is just that and you can turn the situation around almost overnight, but not with recreational drugs for sure.

 

Recreational drugs are not going to improve things, actually will very likely make them even worse, I am not against recreational drugs (not to some of them, at least) but those are not meant as a substitute for happiness, use in that way leads just to more troubles, usually big ones.

 

If you want things to change you have to change how you do things.

 

Since worrying is not going to change anything to worry is totally useless, be happy instead since it is by far more constructive (and fun).

 

And by the way you aren't the only one experiencing what you do, it is much more common than you think.


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#4 vader

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:17 PM

My testosterone is actually very high (over 1000 total test), middling free testosterone and somewhat elevated estrogen (but with good ratio with test). Yet, I have very low, even zero libido. Everytime i "think" i have a chance with some woman, then my libido slightly awekens, so I think it's more in the brain, in fact all my problems i think are related to my brain malfunction and maybe some gut problem (ibs, bile acid diarrhea).

 

Since my post I was hit with the worst sciatica attack of my life, kneeling in pain, I thought I'm going to die... So now I'm not only depressed, but also in extreme pain.

 

I think it's the result of stress (as per Dr John Sarno), because my situation is spiralling out of control, then my brain gives me wicked pain to diffuse my thoughts from emotional pain (makes sense to me).



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 09:10 PM

Libido is effected by testosterone but not only, anyway high testosterone is good.

 

You might try maca in order to improve libido, it doesn't work on testosterone at all therefore it might hit your button, usually the effect isn't immediate (it needs a week or more to start kicking in) and relatively mild but noticeable.

 

Gut and brain are connected, fixing your gut issue should be a priority.

 

Sciatica needs to be addressed as well, of course, I guess there is a slipped disc causing it, do you have a diagnosis in regard?

 

Ozone or prolozone therapy should at least provide great relief, have you looked into it?

 

PEA (PalmitoilEtanolAmide) might be considered in order to help with both sciatica and IBS, it may work as a "nootropic" too. .

 

If you don't feel 100% with your body everything else gets very difficult.

 

First fix your health and the brain will follow.

 

Mens sana in corpore sano.


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#6 Galaxyshock

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Posted 28 April 2017 - 12:14 AM

Ashwagandha protects from the detrimental effects of social isolation:

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/18476388



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Posted 30 April 2017 - 02:22 AM

If only you were lucky to be born with the genetic mutations that cause schizotypy or autism, then you'd not be in this position.

 

From what I've learned:

You need oxytocin receptor activation to feel a desire and longing for relationships of any sort, including non-sexual. Mutations of the oxytocin receptors can cause a person to not feel a desire for friendship or love, as I've come to understand.

5ht2a activation CAN cause a feeling of loneliness. But it's very bizarre, it's some specific area of the brain and some specific bla bla bla. Only rarely does activation of this receptor cause this effect. It may have to do with increasing dopamine in the PFC... who knows?

 

Unlike you, I don't feel loneliness most of the time but I wish I did because I have every reason to do so.


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 08:36 AM

Neither do I and I'm glad that I don't. Loneliness is very bad for you

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 09:09 AM

ceridwen:

 

Agreed - there's difference between loneliness, isolation, and privacy. Loneliness can be natural and an endogenous response from lack of rewarding relation. I have that a lot; tend to make relations with others or connect, but have to understand that many aren't interested in closer-boundary relations, simply don't care, or limit their entertainment when removed from conjugation such as work, school, and social events.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:32 PM

 then you'd not be in this position.

 

you're so naive.  still reading those mens health magazines are you?  speaking of magazines if you were one you'd be motherhood weekly, nothing but mommy issues

 

and vader, i know reading blogs, quotes, watching comedians, etc can make you feel inadequate, in the same way getting a gym membership when youre 90 lbs does.  but the truth is people will be a lot more tolerant of your stuff if you can bust a joke when it gets heavy.  you never know how many mediocre blog posts you have to sift through how many youtube marathons you have to embark on before arriving at a single gem, one inspiring bit of advice, a catchy witticism, a muse to put a smile on your face for the morning.  if youre between jobs you need to literally be soaking the information and experiences up and wasting as little time as possible in maladjusted bitterness or resentment.  but you knew that?



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 02:04 AM

Great post by aconita

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 05:12 AM

Feeling depressed and lonely can be symptoms of borderline personality disorder. You might want to get that checked as well.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 01:08 AM

going to the doctor for borderline personality is like going to the mechanic for a rusted suspension.  it might be what your neighbor suggest you do, but when you get to the mechanic he's just sort of gonna tell you things would be better if you had another car.

 

maybe you should not live in a climate where roads are frequently salted, or at least take control of the factors you can, buy a car jack and spray off the underbelly in the winter.  exercising, eating well, taking anti dopaminergic and glutamatergic supplements, changing your work environment, taking on new hobbies, venturing out your comfort zone.. all forces for good.  risperidone and depokate, not so much.  dialectical and cognitive therapies have their uses, but unfortunately most of the therapists are career ignoranuses who are in it strictly for the money!!


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#14 Gordo

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 05:32 PM

I've got a suggestion that I think could seriously help you. I haven't done it myself (yet?) but my brother makes it sound like one of the greatest things he has done and it changed him permanently - we were just talking about it this week. There is an intensive 3 day seminar, completely non-religious mind you, that is essentially a way of reprogramming your brain / self help. My brother originally took the course when he was in college because he couldn't talk to girls -- it immediately fixed that problem and he was able to talk to anyone after that, but he got so much more out of it than that. He has since gotten married and has 3 kids now, but recently went back and did the course again. He is a very successful business owner now with over 40 employees. Millions have gone through the seminar and it is offered all over the world, it's called "Landmark Forum":
http://www.landmarkworldwide.com/
Wiki:
https://en.m.wikiped...dmark_Worldwide

I think the above is better, but if you are interested in a very different option, I would also suggest this to you:
http://gordosoft.com/costarica2017/

Regards,
Gordo

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:47 AM

Libido is effected by testosterone but not only, anyway high testosterone is good.

You might try maca in order to improve libido, it doesn't work on testosterone at all therefore it might hit your button, usually the effect isn't immediate (it needs a week or more to start kicking in) and relatively mild but noticeable.

Gut and brain are connected, fixing your gut issue should be a priority.

Sciatica needs to be addressed as well, of course, I guess there is a slipped disc causing it, do you have a diagnosis in regard?

Ozone or prolozone therapy should at least provide great relief, have you looked into it?

PEA (PalmitoilEtanolAmide) might be considered in order to help with both sciatica and IBS, it may work as a "nootropic" too. .

If you don't feel 100% with your body everything else gets very difficult.

First fix your health and the brain will follow.

Mens sana in corpore sano.


If testosterone affected libido I would want sex 7x daily as I am on a roid cycle. Libido is more controlled by neurotransmitters. T plays a role but its only a supporting cast member... Not the star of the show.
If you're looking for chemical help.... Phenibut makes me more outgoing taken in large doses. Tramadol makes me fearless.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:45 PM

I second the great post by Aconita.

 

I WAS lucky enough to be right on the border between being on the autistic spectrum and just having autistic traits; however, my advice would be to spend some time volunteering.

 

Volunteering my time was instrumental in helping me manage lifelong depression and social anxiety.   As an added benefit, I believe volunteering self-selects for some very interesting, and compassionate people and I ended up making many friends.


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