What exactly are they supposed to do?
Edited by guyledouche, 08 March 2006 - 02:21 AM.
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Why should I take B-complex vitamins?
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, Mar 06 2006 11:36 PM
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:06 PM
new chapters vitamins are expensive and overrated... (their herbs however, are amazing)
i use this:
http://www.pioneernu...LPS1 VM5.04.pdf
i buy it here:
http://www.rainbowef...ns/pioneer.html
i use this:
http://www.pioneernu...LPS1 VM5.04.pdf
i buy it here:
http://www.rainbowef...ns/pioneer.html
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 01:28 AM
my mom bought it for me. I would never in a million years buy something as expensive as newchapters. As you know Im on a tight budget. That stuff looks really good. Do you know of any that are good that cost less??
that stuff cost 20$ for 2 months, which is very cheap. but your still getting pharma grade nutrients, in good forms and good amounts.
there is no basic multi better than that one, imo.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 04:56 PM
I still suggest that you should take B-150, $7 dols. from walmart if you are in the states, and you will have enough for 2 months, stay away from multivitamins, they dont work, because you can not digest them fast enough, and you will eliminate it before is any good for you
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 05:02 PM
That's a pretty bold statement to make, do you have any evidence to back that up?stay away from multivitamins, they dont work, because you can not digest them fast enough, and you will eliminate it before is any good for you
Certainly some cheapo pressed tablet centrum or something is probably poorly digested, but if you are using a premium formulation in loosely packed capsules that dissolve within a few minutes, whats the problem?
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 06:04 PM
still suggest that you should take B-150, $7 dols. from walmart if you are in the states, and you will have enough for 2 months, stay away from multivitamins, they dont work, because you can not digest them fast enough, and you will eliminate it before is any good for you
that is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
#1 dont EVER buy vitamins at walmart
#2 B vitamins are fastest eliminated... b150 is a waste of about 100mg of b vitamins
#3 multivitamins dont work? dont digest them fast enough? prove that statement please or retract it.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:27 PM
The fact that you buy or not your vitamins at Walmart is not an issue at this post
The key to using supplements to improve your health is knowledge.
A person could probably go into a health food store and select supplements at random and most would probably help some. It's doubtful if the person would get into to much trouble, but it's possible.
The most important principle to remember is that more is not always better. The more of a supplement that you take, the more likely you are of disturbing your nutritional balance. All nutrients seem to interact with each other so the more of one that you take, the more that others get depleted.
The next most important principle is that minerals have a smaller toxic to benefit ratio than vitamins. What this means is that amount of a mineral which might be used for supplementation is not much lower than the toxic amount. For minerals the toxic level might be only 3 to 10 times the therapeutic amount. For example, selenium requirements are usually around 50 mcg per day and typical selenium supplementation amounts are 100-400 mcg per day. However, toxicity can result at around 1200-1600 mcg per day over an extended period. So if we take a safe amount of 400 mcg and a toxic amount of 1200 mcg, that is only a 3:1 ratio. It's important that you realize the importance of not taking too much.
The toxic to benefit ratio of vitamins is much higher. Our bodies have a much higher capacity to excrete unused amounts of vitamins than unused amounts of minerals. For example we might have a B vitamin requirement of 2 mgs, a supplemented amount of 100 mgs, and a toxic level of 10-50 grams. There is not the same danger of over supplementing vitamins as there is of over supplementing minerals.
The one exception are the oil soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K. These build up in the tissues and can cause problems. For example, we might take 5000 IU of vitamin A, but 100,000 IU over a period of months can cause severe headaches. In the arctic some people have died from eating the liver of animals because the vitamin A content was so high that the person's body couldn't eliminate it fast enough.
The third most important principle is to balance nutrients. Each nutrient needs to be present in just the right ratios (within a reasonable range) with the other nutrients. This is especially true of minerals and the B vitamins.
You can get deficient in a mineral or vitamin even if you are supplementing it, if you are taking another mineral or vitamin which is the antagonist of the first.
The key to using supplements to improve your health is knowledge.
A person could probably go into a health food store and select supplements at random and most would probably help some. It's doubtful if the person would get into to much trouble, but it's possible.
The most important principle to remember is that more is not always better. The more of a supplement that you take, the more likely you are of disturbing your nutritional balance. All nutrients seem to interact with each other so the more of one that you take, the more that others get depleted.
The next most important principle is that minerals have a smaller toxic to benefit ratio than vitamins. What this means is that amount of a mineral which might be used for supplementation is not much lower than the toxic amount. For minerals the toxic level might be only 3 to 10 times the therapeutic amount. For example, selenium requirements are usually around 50 mcg per day and typical selenium supplementation amounts are 100-400 mcg per day. However, toxicity can result at around 1200-1600 mcg per day over an extended period. So if we take a safe amount of 400 mcg and a toxic amount of 1200 mcg, that is only a 3:1 ratio. It's important that you realize the importance of not taking too much.
The toxic to benefit ratio of vitamins is much higher. Our bodies have a much higher capacity to excrete unused amounts of vitamins than unused amounts of minerals. For example we might have a B vitamin requirement of 2 mgs, a supplemented amount of 100 mgs, and a toxic level of 10-50 grams. There is not the same danger of over supplementing vitamins as there is of over supplementing minerals.
The one exception are the oil soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K. These build up in the tissues and can cause problems. For example, we might take 5000 IU of vitamin A, but 100,000 IU over a period of months can cause severe headaches. In the arctic some people have died from eating the liver of animals because the vitamin A content was so high that the person's body couldn't eliminate it fast enough.
The third most important principle is to balance nutrients. Each nutrient needs to be present in just the right ratios (within a reasonable range) with the other nutrients. This is especially true of minerals and the B vitamins.
You can get deficient in a mineral or vitamin even if you are supplementing it, if you are taking another mineral or vitamin which is the antagonist of the first.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:32 PM
...stay away from multivitamins, they dont work, because you can not digest them fast enough, and you will eliminate it before is any good for you
Multivitamins increase key nutrients in elderly
Full source: Journal of the American College of Nutrition 2000;19:613-621
New study findings suggest that simply taking a multivitamin each day can improve levels of many key nutrients, thereby lowering their risk of chronic disease. Poor diet and illnesses can leave many older adults with less-than-optimal stores of nutrients in their blood. Supplementation with a multivitamin supplement can improve micronutrient status in healthy, older Americans to levels above those obtained with a fortified diet. Adults who took the multivitamin had higher levels of vitamins B6, B12, C, D, E and riboflavin. There was no difference in immune system function or antioxidant capacity. The results suggest that the 40% to 60% of older Americans who take multivitamins are probably helping to promote their health, not wasting money as some people have proposed.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 07:48 PM
I was indicating pill form of multivitamins/minerals, on the other hand, vitamin absorption has been questioned but never visually proven, pill form vitamins offer up to 30% absorption rates while liquid vitamins boast a 90% absorption rate.
For a nutrient to be absorbed into the blood stream, it will have to be completely simplified before passing through the body’s membranes; the villi in the small intestine or the mucous membrane. With this in mind, a pill must be simplified before any nutrient absorption can take place. This will limit the vitamin pill to basically one pathway of entry into the blood stream; the small intestine.
Liquid vitamins allows for a better absorption rate. A liquid vitamin is already in simplest form. As you drink the liquid vitamin, absorption is already taking place in your mouth’s mucous membrane as well as through tissue in your esophagus.
For a nutrient to be absorbed into the blood stream, it will have to be completely simplified before passing through the body’s membranes; the villi in the small intestine or the mucous membrane. With this in mind, a pill must be simplified before any nutrient absorption can take place. This will limit the vitamin pill to basically one pathway of entry into the blood stream; the small intestine.
Liquid vitamins allows for a better absorption rate. A liquid vitamin is already in simplest form. As you drink the liquid vitamin, absorption is already taking place in your mouth’s mucous membrane as well as through tissue in your esophagus.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:04 PM
"they dont work, because you can not digest them fast enough, and you will eliminate it before is any good for you "
Sorry I was specifically refering to pill form, I was not against multivitamins/minerals, but its presentation form, sorry if I cause any one to get upset.
Sorry I was specifically refering to pill form, I was not against multivitamins/minerals, but its presentation form, sorry if I cause any one to get upset.
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 11:20 PM
Come on KIT-KAT what is so wrong with wal mart stuff????
wal mart doesnt sell pharmacuetical grade nutrients. and anything less than pharma grade is not fit for human consumption IMO
vitamin absorption has been questioned but never visually proven
i can show you serum level studies shows near complete absorbtion of USP nutrients (in pill form) if you want.
pill form vitamins offer up to 30% absorption rates while liquid vitamins boast a 90% absorption rate.
thats a BS marketing ploy. pills are not less absorbed than liquids.
Liquid vitamins allows for a better absorption rate. A liquid vitamin is already in simplest form. As you drink the liquid vitamin, absorption is already taking place in your mouth’s mucous membrane as well as through tissue in your esophagus.
thats a load of BS man. the nutrients in a liquid vitamin are in the same forms as in a pills, just minus the binders or capsule (which readily dissolve)
any USP grade vitamin will break down in about 20 minutes in WATER... and much quicker in the stomach. considering you take vitamins with food, you now have the pill sitting in the stomach for atleast an hour, mixing up with the food and being passed into the intestines where it will be absorbed.
some liquid vitamin manufacurer has you suckered in buddy.
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Posted 13 March 2006 - 12:33 AM
AJNAST4R : you seriously consider that pill vitamins are as easily absorb by your body than caplets or liquid????
yes. if you understand the basics of how digestion works, you would see im right.
whatever you eat is generally gonna sit in your stomach for 30-60 minutes, sometimes more depending on the type & size of the meal. USP grade tablets break down in WATER in about 15-20 minutes, and much faster in stomach acid. so whether you take a liquid, or a tablet they are still sitting in the stomach for the same amount of time. its not like your body magically seperates out the liquid vitamin and pass it through the food in your stomach into the intestines.
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