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[Malf]

I was told by someone at whole foods that taking specialized curcumins that help it cross the blood brain barrier do absolutely nothing for colon and gut health, it only helps with brain inflammation and alzheimers, and is for brain function.

 

He told me that if you want to reduce inflammation in the gut, you should just take regular turmeric or curcumin none of the specialized ones like longvida, meriva, novasol, etc.

 

He claims thats what he read about people with inflammatory bowels that the specialized curcumins do not work on them.

 

Can someone give me an honest opinion is the guy correct?

 

 

 

[recon]

I’d assume that both works as how curcuminoids work but the specialised versions are usually available in smaller dosages due to them having greater portions of other attachments to increase the absorption. Therefore, while they are able to cross the blood-brain barrier more easily, they are too small of a dosage to effectively affect larger gut system.

That’s just my opinion though.

You can take both. I’m taking Longvida for them to enter the brain, Meriva for them to increase systemically and turmeric to “stain” the guts. Therefore I’ll be taking them together but in smaller dosages each.

[Malf]

I’d assume that both works as how curcuminoids work but the specialised versions are usually available in smaller dosages due to them having greater portions of other attachments to increase the absorption. Therefore, while they are able to cross the blood-brain barrier more easily, they are too small of a dosage to effectively affect larger gut system.

That’s just my opinion though.

You can take both. I’m taking Longvida for them to enter the brain, Meriva for them to increase systemically and turmeric to “stain” the guts. Therefore I’ll be taking them together but in smaller dosages each.

 

yeah he was saying that the regular turmeric powder is the best for gut health because it will slide through the intestines and coat it, while the specialized ones are for quick absorption to the blood stream and don't pass through the intestines or colon.

 

But im not sure and would like expert opinions one what brand is best for colon,intestine gut inflammation stuff.

 

you sure its okay to take that many types of curcumin, that seems a bit much, doesn't it act as a blood thinner?
 

[recon]

I’d assume that both works as how curcuminoids work but the specialised versions are usually available in smaller dosages due to them having greater portions of other attachments to increase the absorption. Therefore, while they are able to cross the blood-brain barrier more easily, they are too small of a dosage to effectively affect larger gut system.

That’s just my opinion though.

You can take both. I’m taking Longvida for them to enter the brain, Meriva for them to increase systemically and turmeric to “stain” the guts. Therefore I’ll be taking them together but in smaller dosages each.

yeah he was saying that the regular turmeric powder is the best for gut health because it will slide through the intestines and coat it, while the specialized ones are for quick absorption to the blood stream and don't pass through the intestines or colon.

But im not sure and would like expert opinions one what brand is best for colon,intestine gut inflammation stuff.

you sure its okay to take that many types of curcumin, that seems a bit much, doesn't it act as a blood thinner?

The bioavailability of curcuminoids is quite terrible. Taking one capsule of each will not be sufficient let alone be too much. The blood thinning effect, I believe, is weak.

[Dorian Grey]

You might want to avoid curcumin with "piperine" added.  Piperine is supposed to enhance absorption, but it is actually an extract of black pepper which can be very irritating to the colon.  

 

There was a thread a while back where someone had said they couldn't take curcumin because it caused diarrhea.  I asked them if the curcumin had piperine in it and he replied it did.  Didn't hear if he had success with a different formulation.  

 

Turmeric is poorly absorbed, but this may be just what you want if you're looking for help with inflammation in the colon.  Don't know if there might be a "topical" effect from unabsorbed turmeric in the colon, but something to look into.  

 

If you're looking for a systemic effect that might be helpful with colon inflammation, then a micronized enhanced absorption formula like Life Extension's Super Bio-Curcumin might be good.  Micronized curcumin doesn't need piperine for good absorption.  It ain't cheap, but I've preferred this form and taken it for years with good results.  Some experimentation might be in order!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 30 November 2017 - 05:06 PM.

[Malf]

You might want to avoid curcumin with "piperine" added.  Piperine is supposed to enhance absorption, but it is actually an extract of black pepper which can be very irritating to the colon.  

 

There was a thread a while back where someone had said they couldn't take curcumin because it caused diarrhea.  I asked them if the curcumin had piperine in it and he replied it did.  Didn't hear if he had success with a different formulation.  

 

Turmeric is poorly absorbed, but this may be just what you want if you're looking for help with inflammation in the colon.  Don't know if there might be a "topical" effect from unabsorbed turmeric in the colon, but something to look into.  

 

If you're looking for a systemic effect that might be helpful with colon inflammation, then a micronized enhanced absorption formula like Life Extension's Super Bio-Curcumin might be good.  Micronized curcumin doesn't need piperine for good absorption.  It ain't cheap, but I've preferred this form and taken it for years with good results.  Some experimentation might be in order!  

 

Thank you, Ill look into that life extension version.

 

I tried drinking that golden milk from fresh turmeric root but after 3 days I couldn't stomach it maybe I was putting too much in or something, the recipe I got was putting cinnamon, coconut milk, black pepper and turmeric root, blend all the ingredients and then boil it slowly.

[joelcairo]

Plain curcumin is probably the best for this situation because the specialized high-absorption products typically have much less actual curcumin per capsule. Of course this isn't certain, but it makes sense that it would be better to have the curcuminoids pass further down the digestive tract rather than absorbing it into the bloodstream and a bit of it making its way back to the colon that way.

 

You might want to avoid piperine, for the reasons stated above, but ultimately everyone is different. Since you are taking it for tangible symptom relief, I would suggest trying a few different types and seeing what formulas and what dosages work for you.

 

[Malf]

Plain curcumin is probably the best for this situation because the specialized high-absorption products typically have much less actual curcumin per capsule. Of course this isn't certain, but it makes sense that it would be better to have the curcuminoids pass further down the digestive tract rather than absorbing it into the bloodstream and a bit of it making its way back to the colon that way.

 

You might want to avoid piperine, for the reasons stated above, but ultimately everyone is different. Since you are taking it for tangible symptom relief, I would suggest trying a few different types and seeing what formulas and what dosages work for you.

 

Any brand suggestion?

[recon]

Plain curcumin is probably the best for this situation because the specialized high-absorption products typically have much less actual curcumin per capsule. Of course this isn't certain, but it makes sense that it would be better to have the curcuminoids pass further down the digestive tract rather than absorbing it into the bloodstream and a bit of it making its way back to the colon that way.

You might want to avoid piperine, for the reasons stated above, but ultimately everyone is different. Since you are taking it for tangible symptom relief, I would suggest trying a few different types and seeing what formulas and what dosages work for you.

Any brand suggestion?

I’d say the Swanson brand Turmeric will be fine for this.

https://www.swansonv...720-mg-240-caps

It costs only $10.99 excluding shipping for 240 capsules.
Take two capsules a day with meals and you’ll get 1.44g of turneric.

Ought to say that you should get on Swanson’s newsletter. They very often gives a max of 25% discount and you can drop the price to $8.25, sometimes with free shipping. Only on about Cyber Monday will they be giving 30% off, which then you can drop it to $7.70.

I take that along with Meriva phytosome and Ultracur since my Longvida ran out.

Edited by recon, 03 December 2017 - 09:56 AM.

[joelcairo]

I'm not a big fan of whole-plant supplements. Curcumin and curcuminoids make up a really small proportion of turmeric, just a few percent. Personally I would go with a curcumin 95% supplement, either with or without piperine. I've used a number in the 500-1,000 mg range, such as Swanson and Doctor's Best. "BCM-95" has some special things about it and looks like an especially good formulation, but I don't think I have ever tried it.

 

Meriva is also good, and fairly inexpensive if you buy it discounted online, but there are a lot of enhanced-absorption formulas. I have only tried a couple of different ones, and I've never subjectively noticed any difference in effectiveness so I don't see any point in making a specific recommendation.

[Malf]

I'm not a big fan of whole-plant supplements. Curcumin and curcuminoids make up a really small proportion of turmeric, just a few percent. Personally I would go with a curcumin 95% supplement, either with or without piperine. I've used a number in the 500-1,000 mg range, such as Swanson and Doctor's Best. "BCM-95" has some special things about it and looks like an especially good formulation, but I don't think I have ever tried it.

 

Meriva is also good, and fairly inexpensive if you buy it discounted online, but there are a lot of enhanced-absorption formulas. I have only tried a couple of different ones, and I've never subjectively noticed any difference in effectiveness so I don't see any point in making a specific recommendation.

 

Ive tried the MEriva from Jarrow, and it did absolutely nothing for me, never felt any mind clarity or anything. Im not sure if Jarrow is a quality brand or if its cheap and uses filler like Now Foods stuff.

 

Jarrow and Now Foods seem too good to be true with their price point, so Im wondering the quality on them.

 

I think Im going to try the BCM 95

[Benko]

 

I'm not a big fan of whole-plant supplements. Curcumin and curcuminoids make up a really small proportion of turmeric, just a few percent. Personally I would go with a curcumin 95% supplement, either with or without piperine. I've used a number in the 500-1,000 mg range, such as Swanson and Doctor's Best. "BCM-95" has some special things about it and looks like an especially good formulation, but I don't think I have ever tried it.

 

Meriva is also good, and fairly inexpensive if you buy it discounted online, but there are a lot of enhanced-absorption formulas. I have only tried a couple of different ones, and I've never subjectively noticed any difference in effectiveness so I don't see any point in making a specific recommendation.

 

Ive tried the MEriva from Jarrow, and it did absolutely nothing for me, never felt any mind clarity or anything. Im not sure if Jarrow is a quality brand or if its cheap and uses filler like Now Foods stuff.

 

Jarrow and Now Foods seem too good to be true with their price point, so Im wondering the quality on them.

 

I think Im going to try the BCM 95

 

 

Does anyone actually feel different (in the way you are talking i.e. mind clarity) from curcumin or is that placebo? 

 

I've talked to the folks at jarrow (their technical folks/the folks responsible for their supps) a few times over the years and they always stuck me as knowledgeable. I think they are a reliable brand.

 

Consumerlab.com has tested a number of brands of curcumin and now brand passed.  They didn't test jarrow not sure why.  They tested 18 other jarrow products.
 

[recon]

Apart from hard racetams, I’ve never felt anything from the 30+ capsules I gobble down per day.
I usually just treat them as a more passive prophylactic measure. I believe that it is working even if we don’t feel anything.

[Malf]

 

 

I'm not a big fan of whole-plant supplements. Curcumin and curcuminoids make up a really small proportion of turmeric, just a few percent. Personally I would go with a curcumin 95% supplement, either with or without piperine. I've used a number in the 500-1,000 mg range, such as Swanson and Doctor's Best. "BCM-95" has some special things about it and looks like an especially good formulation, but I don't think I have ever tried it.

 

Meriva is also good, and fairly inexpensive if you buy it discounted online, but there are a lot of enhanced-absorption formulas. I have only tried a couple of different ones, and I've never subjectively noticed any difference in effectiveness so I don't see any point in making a specific recommendation.

 

Ive tried the MEriva from Jarrow, and it did absolutely nothing for me, never felt any mind clarity or anything. Im not sure if Jarrow is a quality brand or if its cheap and uses filler like Now Foods stuff.

 

Jarrow and Now Foods seem too good to be true with their price point, so Im wondering the quality on them.

 

I think Im going to try the BCM 95

 

 

Does anyone actually feel different (in the way you are talking i.e. mind clarity) from curcumin or is that placebo? 

 

I've talked to the folks at jarrow (their technical folks/the folks responsible for their supps) a few times over the years and they always stuck me as knowledgeable. I think they are a reliable brand.

 

Consumerlab.com has tested a number of brands of curcumin and now brand passed.  They didn't test jarrow not sure why.  They tested 18 other jarrow products.
 

 

 

I just remember NOW foods being a very cheap brand that used a lot of filler from years ago, Jarrow apparently uses fillers too. Its why they can price their stuff so cheap.

 

 

 

[Malf]

Im going to buy the Life Extension one, but I am wondering if they do their own testing? some guy from another supplement company told me the majority of supplement companies don't test and many get their source material from china and many times the product is something else and that is how these issues come about.

[dazed1]

Forget about curcumin when you need colon effect, turmeric is better. In fact, turmeric is better in most of the situation, if taken with other herbs, (clove, ginger, rosemary) fats and black pepper.

[Moondancer]

I tried all the brands/formulations that claim to have enhanced bioavailability:

• LEF's BCM-95 Curcumin 2x 400 mg per day (for years in fact)
• AOR's Longvida Curcumin 2x 348 mg per day
• Noflor's Meriva Curcumin 2x 500 mg per day
• A mix of the three
• I added a thoroughly cooked Turmeric soup every day with ginger, 2 tbsp of Turmeric, oils, some fresh herbs.

I can't say I have noticed any effects or any decrease in inflammation, even when I tried 3 caps of Curcumin per day (rougly 1200 mg). Slightly disappointing.

Edited by Moondancer, 06 December 2017 - 03:41 AM.

[Benko]

I tried all the brands/formulations that claim to have enhanced bioavailability:

• LEF's BCM-95 Curcumin 2x 400 mg per day (for years in fact)
• AOR's Longvida Curcumin 2x 348 mg per day
• Noflor's Meriva Curcumin 2x 500 mg per day
• A mix of the three
• I added a thoroughly cooked Turmeric soup every day with ginger, 2 tbsp of Turmeric, oils, some fresh herbs.

I can't say I have noticed any effects or any decrease in inflammation, even when I tried 3 caps of Curcumin per day (rougly 1200 mg). Slightly disappointing.

 

Is this based on blood test measurements e.g. CRP?  If not what makes you think your subjective experience can sense how much inflammation is present in your body?

[recon]

I tried all the brands/formulations that claim to have enhanced bioavailability:

• LEF's BCM-95 Curcumin 2x 400 mg per day (for years in fact)
• AOR's Longvida Curcumin 2x 348 mg per day
• Noflor's Meriva Curcumin 2x 500 mg per day
• A mix of the three
• I added a thoroughly cooked Turmeric soup every day with ginger, 2 tbsp of Turmeric, oils, some fresh herbs.

I can't say I have noticed any effects or any decrease in inflammation, even when I tried 3 caps of Curcumin per day (rougly 1200 mg). Slightly disappointing.

Is this based on blood test measurements e.g. CRP? If not what makes you think your subjective experience can sense how much inflammation is present in your body?

This is longecity. Users here can feel anything, even when there’s a tiny slice of the shavings off a ginger they can feel a boost of energy.

[dazed1]

When cooked turmeric loses the anti inflammatory effects, you need cooked AND regular 3x/day with every meal, mexican oregano, clove ginger; rosemary - add them as well

I woud try NAG, and zinc carnosine as well

Edited by dazed1, 06 December 2017 - 04:36 AM.

[Malf]

I tried all the brands/formulations that claim to have enhanced bioavailability:

• LEF's BCM-95 Curcumin 2x 400 mg per day (for years in fact)
• AOR's Longvida Curcumin 2x 348 mg per day
• Noflor's Meriva Curcumin 2x 500 mg per day
• A mix of the three
• I added a thoroughly cooked Turmeric soup every day with ginger, 2 tbsp of Turmeric, oils, some fresh herbs.

I can't say I have noticed any effects or any decrease in inflammation, even when I tried 3 caps of Curcumin per day (rougly 1200 mg). Slightly disappointing.

 

How do you know you were inflammed? it could be some other stuff you are taking, I always suggest trying a new herb by itself and not use anything else to see if it works.

[Daniscience]

I tried curcumin from Thorne Research which seems like a superb product, but it's expensive aswell. So I temporarily quitted it. Still unsure if I'll come back. I take a lot of supps and its driving me crazy.

 

Anyway I stick to organic turmeric (raw powder), uncooked, I just add it to my fatty meals (I follow a LCHF diet so every meal contains fat and is thus "turmeric-able" lol). I can also confirm that taking a teaspoong of turmeric helps a lot when going to a buffet, one of those where you eat recklessly and end up with massive inflammation. Turmeric considerably attenuates such inflammation!

[dazed1]

You can almost cheat with any food, if you drown it in turmeric, ginger, cinnamon, cloves.....the negative effect is almost completely abolished.

[Kinesis]

I’d definitely prefer turmeric over curcumin. Although curcumin has garnered most of the headlines, more recent research is turning up evidence that other compounds in turmeric contribute to its health effects. These compounds occur in the lipid fraction, one especially interesting class being turmerones. Try a Google or PubMed search and a number of studies will pop up. Either whole turmeric or an extract formulated to contain turmerones as well as curcuminoids is therefore preferable to isolated curcumin.

[Malf]

I’d definitely prefer turmeric over curcumin. Although curcumin has garnered most of the headlines, more recent research is turning up evidence that other compounds in turmeric contribute to its health effects. These compounds occur in the lipid fraction, one especially interesting class being turmerones. Try a Google or PubMed search and a number of studies will pop up. Either whole turmeric or an extract formulated to contain turmerones as well as curcuminoids is therefore preferable to isolated curcumin.

 

I was leaning toward the super bio curcumin from LEF but I noticed you mentioned Tumerones, they have one that contains ginger and tumerones is that good?

http://www.lifeexten...nger-Turmerones

[dazed1]

Yes that should be a great one.

 

I recommend CO2 turmeric extract. This is even better

 

 

https://www.iherb.co...-Softgels/73598

Edited by dazed1, 08 December 2017 - 02:08 PM.

[Malf]

Yes that should be a great one.

 

I recommend CO2 turmeric extract. This is even better

 

 

https://www.iherb.co...-Softgels/73598

 

Do you take this one? what did you see from it? it looks like a new type, is that California Gold the house brand of iHerb?

[dazed1]

Its an amazing anti inflamatory mix, im using their Olive leaf extract, looks, smells and feels quite potent. I think most new company would focus on quality at least on the start periods, so i do trust them.

 

If you want to be sure, get this.

[Malf]

Its an amazing anti inflamatory mix, im using their Olive leaf extract, looks, smells and feels quite potent. I think most new company would focus on quality at least on the start periods, so i do trust them.

 

If you want to be sure, get this.

 

I have a bottle of this but never opened it is it good? im scared to try it but someone told me to drink it in a warm water and gulp it will it give me stomach ache what does it do?

 

 black seed oil

https://www.iherb.co...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[dazed1]

 

Its an amazing anti inflamatory mix, im using their Olive leaf extract, looks, smells and feels quite potent. I think most new company would focus on quality at least on the start periods, so i do trust them.

 

If you want to be sure, get this.

 

I have a bottle of this but never opened it is it good? im scared to try it but someone told me to drink it in a warm water and gulp it will it give me stomach ache what does it do?

 

 black seed oil

https://www.iherb.co...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

 

It is good, take it with meals 3x/day for 1 week, if all is good, try on empty stomach, please take care if you got blood sugar issues, it might drop your bg if taken on empty stomach. Best to mix it with turmeric in your mouth, and swallow.