Religion and Global Future 2045
YOLF
08 May 2013
So I have philosophical differences with many religions and I see Global Future 2045/2045 Project hosting a conference on how to make religion a part of the future.
So will religion be banned beyond a certain age? I've always had a problem with some people being given the truth about it all before they are 8 and then seeing others who are old men about to die ignorant and people always say that they are "pretending to help the true believer" but I just can't see it that way and don't think I ever will.
We see future religion in movies like Johnny Mnemonic and we still see the poor street preacher who has obviously lost so much from his religious experience that he goes wacko. Are we really going to see stuff like this in the future? How will we prevent people from having to live these existential nightmares?
If you woke up from your cryostat, would you want to made a fool or made a fool a second time?
How will the future see the practice of religion in our times where people wake up to the reality of religion being old and having lost an real experience of the best years of their lives and are still ignorant when they raise their own children if they even have their own at all or have adopted someone else's. In either case, there are people who lose a real experience of raising children and who's true identities are never known. Yet they die and their children never know a childhood their parent would have intended should the parent have not been ignorant. The spouse meanwhile has to support the ignorance and devotes their life to a betrayal of their significant other. Of course religion usually says this is ok, because they will make it up to subsequent generations, but that doesn't mean to all off the subsequent generations. Children like the parent will suffer this life just as the parent does. It's no more ethical than a genocide of any other kind and the only real saving grace for some is that they die. How do you as an immortalist feel about that? Is this the reason people should choose death when death is just an option? Obviously not. Can religion be more ethical moving forward? I just don't see a role for religion in the future if things like this keep on happening...
So will religion be banned beyond a certain age? I've always had a problem with some people being given the truth about it all before they are 8 and then seeing others who are old men about to die ignorant and people always say that they are "pretending to help the true believer" but I just can't see it that way and don't think I ever will.
We see future religion in movies like Johnny Mnemonic and we still see the poor street preacher who has obviously lost so much from his religious experience that he goes wacko. Are we really going to see stuff like this in the future? How will we prevent people from having to live these existential nightmares?
If you woke up from your cryostat, would you want to made a fool or made a fool a second time?
How will the future see the practice of religion in our times where people wake up to the reality of religion being old and having lost an real experience of the best years of their lives and are still ignorant when they raise their own children if they even have their own at all or have adopted someone else's. In either case, there are people who lose a real experience of raising children and who's true identities are never known. Yet they die and their children never know a childhood their parent would have intended should the parent have not been ignorant. The spouse meanwhile has to support the ignorance and devotes their life to a betrayal of their significant other. Of course religion usually says this is ok, because they will make it up to subsequent generations, but that doesn't mean to all off the subsequent generations. Children like the parent will suffer this life just as the parent does. It's no more ethical than a genocide of any other kind and the only real saving grace for some is that they die. How do you as an immortalist feel about that? Is this the reason people should choose death when death is just an option? Obviously not. Can religion be more ethical moving forward? I just don't see a role for religion in the future if things like this keep on happening...
platypus
08 May 2013
Isn't pushing religion to children brainwashing, or how does one explain that the kids almost always adopt the religion of their parents? Who are the ignorant people here btw?
YOLF
08 May 2013
Does it matter who the PEOPLE are? The vast majority of people only pretend to believe in religion past a certain point in their childhood because they believe it is the right thing and their elders who endorse it to them know best in their eyes. Their elders are even able to show them examples and reasons why the world needs to pretend to believe (pretending to believe is what is called the spirit or spirituality). What they're missing are quality standards and they readily preach that some will be left behind with their lives devalued. This is a big gaping hole in religion and I just can't support it for any reason until they adopt higher standards for success. IMO we'd be better without it at this rate.
The bigger problem of religion is that they believe there are acceptable losses, and people go their whole lives being brain washed. Religion needs to be 100% uniform with no acceptable losses or delays. If there is truely an entity which has created us other than a parent or prior species of human, I'm sure we wouldn't need to pretend or be spiritual. It is only for our own vain ideals of a convicted majority's "justice" that religion exists and it must therefor be more humble in a person's life if it is to exist at all as a righteous institution. The same goes for anything that uses spirit/spirituality.
At present, yes, religion is child abuse, whether one child suffers from it, or continues suffering from it into adulthood and even until their death. Even if the illusion of religion through the strongest of spirit (pretense) is so efficient that a child lives in ignorance throughout their entire life and until their death from old age, it is still an abuse, even if they never knew of it or were incapable of understanding. Keeping or making someone retarded doesn't excuse the fact of said action. It deprives someone of their right to life. This is no different than burrying a newborn in the back yard. Such a person never had the opportunity to exist.
The bigger problem of religion is that they believe there are acceptable losses, and people go their whole lives being brain washed. Religion needs to be 100% uniform with no acceptable losses or delays. If there is truely an entity which has created us other than a parent or prior species of human, I'm sure we wouldn't need to pretend or be spiritual. It is only for our own vain ideals of a convicted majority's "justice" that religion exists and it must therefor be more humble in a person's life if it is to exist at all as a righteous institution. The same goes for anything that uses spirit/spirituality.
At present, yes, religion is child abuse, whether one child suffers from it, or continues suffering from it into adulthood and even until their death. Even if the illusion of religion through the strongest of spirit (pretense) is so efficient that a child lives in ignorance throughout their entire life and until their death from old age, it is still an abuse, even if they never knew of it or were incapable of understanding. Keeping or making someone retarded doesn't excuse the fact of said action. It deprives someone of their right to life. This is no different than burrying a newborn in the back yard. Such a person never had the opportunity to exist.
