How long can your dead body wait around to...
John_Ventureville 12 May 2008
John Grigg
JonesGuy 12 May 2008
Cyberbrain 12 May 2008
Shannon Vyff 12 May 2008
Some cryonicists will wear some sort of life alarm (even if they don't live alone)-- http://www.lifealert.com/ there are more advanced ones that can monitor heart rate and send the info to emergency responders.
I did vote for 24 hours, but agree with the first option as a best case scenario, I went with what I would see as a worst case scenario. Of course, if the person has been treated, and is being shipped in proper cooling--I could even vote for three days. I was thinking when I voted though, that it was meant how long could a body stay at room temp.
forever freedom 12 May 2008
VictorBjoerk 12 May 2008
Why wasn't Roy Walford possible to preserve BTW?
bgwowk 12 May 2008
That was tried once. The result was the most serious legal crisis in Alcor's history.Does Alcor have any patient rooms, where a patient could stay until pronounced dead so they could start the cryonics process immediately?
http://www.alcor.org...raKentCase.html
It's now recognized that there needs to be an arms-length relationship between personnel and organizations that treat patients and pronounce legal death, and personnel and organizations that perform cryonics procedures. For this purpose, Alcor works with a hospice not far from their facility.
bgwowk 12 May 2008
I assume you are asking how many cryopreserved patients at Alcor suffered cardiac arrest without cryonics personnel in attendance, and that therefore did not receive a normal standby/stabilization. I believe that historically about three out of four Alcor patients suffered unattended cardiac arrest, although the fraction has been larger in recent years. The causes are complex, but I believe a contributing factor is fewer people with medical knowledge involved in cryonics relative to the growing caseload. Predicting whether and when sick people are going to legally die, and deploying limited resources across the country accordingly, is a difficult task that takes a lot of experience and medical sophistication.How many of the people that have joined alcor but are now dead have been frozen and how many have died without being treated by Alcor?
It should be noted that although most cryonics patients don't currently receive standby/stabilization, cryoprotection is still possible in most cases.
Why wasn't Roy Walford possible to preserve BTW?
http://www.cryonet.o...p.cgi?msg=24045
Edited by bgwowk, 12 May 2008 - 06:40 PM.
VictorBjoerk 12 May 2008
John_Ventureville 12 May 2008
Time is of the essence.
John
xlifex 12 May 2008
http://www.depressed...ult-rat-brains/
See also:
http://www.alcor.org...l/ischemic.html
And:
http://www.benbest.c.../IR_Damage.html
bgwowk 12 May 2008
Your brain *right now* has the rigidity of Jello. That's why the brain floats in cerebrospinal fluid, and why people get terrible headaches when they lose CSF. Much of what is known about human brain disease scientists learned by removing, sectioning, and even freezing brains many hours after death. There's no dramatic change in the rheology of the brain after 24 hours. Microscopy is needed to see changes over that time course. Of course long intervals of ischemia are still bad for many reasons, and should be aggressively avoided.I have been told by reliable sources that a room temperature dead body at 24 hours has already decayed enough that if you cut open the top of the skull, the brain will easily pour out like partially solidified jello.
This article has a table with references to studies of brain tissue after various intervals of clinical death
http://www.alcor.org...ldsonBrief.html
Edited by bgwowk, 12 May 2008 - 09:49 PM.
bgwowk 12 May 2008
I think it has been getting worse for reasons that I stated. As far as I know, all legally deceased Alcor members whose bodies have been found have been cryopreserved, although sometimes under poor conditions.Has it improved with recent years or do still 3/4 not achieve stabilization? do you know how many of the total deceased Alcor members that have not been cryopreserved?
VictorBjoerk 12 May 2008
I think it has been getting worse for reasons that I stated. As far as I know, all legally deceased Alcor members whose bodies have been found have been cryopreserved, although sometimes under poor conditions.Has it improved with recent years or do still 3/4 not achieve stabilization? do you know how many of the total deceased Alcor members that have not been cryopreserved?
Do you consider Alcor being the best cryonic providers?
drus 16 May 2008
And as far as comparing CSPs, i don't think we should be doing that so much. In the long run i think it's better for us all if we're watching each other's back! all cryonicists need to be working together and not competing to out-do the other! Both CI and Alcor are top notch, and each person needs to do their own research and decide for themselves.
Edited by drus, 16 May 2008 - 12:50 AM.
Heliotrope 16 May 2008
some have been lost in moutains, avalanche etc right, still preserved, don't know if they'd wake up the same , but if lost in a snowy mountain , the cold'd do it.
Edited by HYP86, 16 May 2008 - 12:35 AM.
niner 16 May 2008
forever freedom 16 May 2008
I don't see the point of asking this question of a bunch of random people, some of whom have neither medical knowledge nor knowledge of cryonics.
Because we love speculating and wondering about things we actually know very little about?
Heliotrope 16 May 2008
2 words: Not very long,
EDIT : okay that was 3.
Edited by HYP86, 16 May 2008 - 07:03 AM.