anything for panic attacks?
salesman
07 Aug 2006
Hi guys currently not taking any noots. I thought about getting on a anti-depressant for my panic attacks. What happens is I release to much norepinephrene at times when anxiety gets too much. It comes outta nowhere and seems that i need to get on something. Perhaps hydergen? Could anyone elaborate on this matter?
07 Aug 2006
The best thing for that is magnesium. Magnesium slows the release of adrenaline. I read in some book that back around either WWI or WWII they would give mental patients magensium injections to calm them down. And it would calm them down pretty quickly too. They don't do that now because of there are a lot more drugs to use instead.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....0&dopt=Abstract
Is your nutrition good otherwise? I find that high copper can make me fearful and sometimes go into a panic state, feeling shakey, heart beating fast, etc. Too much copper is not something you can test for but you can always make sure your zinc levels are good with Zinc Status.
http://www.drlwilson...elimination.htm
Copper toxicity is associated with mental and emotional symptoms including anxiety, depression, mood swings, panic disorder, crying spells and even a type of schizophrenia.
One other thing to consider is balancing your histamine levels. Orthomolecular uses high dose nutritional supplements to balance either high or low histamine levels. If you have high histamine levels the magnesium will help but won't really be the ultimate solution. The ultimate solution would be to lower your histamine levels. A couple of nutrients are needed for that, but one important one is calcium. So you may need just magnesium or you may need magnesium and calcium, depending on your histamine levels.
http://www.soilandhe...06gtchap20.html
Potassium, histamine and anti-histamines
Another sensitizer of the neuro-muscular system to the action of potassium is histamine.
In addition, histamine gives rise to the release of adrenaline by the adrenal medulla and it will be seen later that adrenaline can assume the role of a factor triggering tetany.
Hypomagnesaemia, that is, the low content of magnesium in the blood serum, causes the release of histamine by certain cells called mastocytes. Although magnesium deficiency thus facilitates the release of histamine, it should be noted that magnesium can play the part of an anti-histamine, like calcium, and inhibit in part the constriction of the pulmonary artery caused by histamine."
A simple way to test your histamine levels is try a 25 mg. dose of niacin, the flush producing niacin. If it takes around 250 mg. to produce a flush then you histamine levels are low. If it takes about 50 mg. to produce a flush, then you histamine levels are high. You can also ask your doctor to check your whole blood histamine levels too.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....0&dopt=Abstract
Is your nutrition good otherwise? I find that high copper can make me fearful and sometimes go into a panic state, feeling shakey, heart beating fast, etc. Too much copper is not something you can test for but you can always make sure your zinc levels are good with Zinc Status.
http://www.drlwilson...elimination.htm
Copper toxicity is associated with mental and emotional symptoms including anxiety, depression, mood swings, panic disorder, crying spells and even a type of schizophrenia.
One other thing to consider is balancing your histamine levels. Orthomolecular uses high dose nutritional supplements to balance either high or low histamine levels. If you have high histamine levels the magnesium will help but won't really be the ultimate solution. The ultimate solution would be to lower your histamine levels. A couple of nutrients are needed for that, but one important one is calcium. So you may need just magnesium or you may need magnesium and calcium, depending on your histamine levels.
http://www.soilandhe...06gtchap20.html
Potassium, histamine and anti-histamines
Another sensitizer of the neuro-muscular system to the action of potassium is histamine.
In addition, histamine gives rise to the release of adrenaline by the adrenal medulla and it will be seen later that adrenaline can assume the role of a factor triggering tetany.
Hypomagnesaemia, that is, the low content of magnesium in the blood serum, causes the release of histamine by certain cells called mastocytes. Although magnesium deficiency thus facilitates the release of histamine, it should be noted that magnesium can play the part of an anti-histamine, like calcium, and inhibit in part the constriction of the pulmonary artery caused by histamine."
A simple way to test your histamine levels is try a 25 mg. dose of niacin, the flush producing niacin. If it takes around 250 mg. to produce a flush then you histamine levels are low. If it takes about 50 mg. to produce a flush, then you histamine levels are high. You can also ask your doctor to check your whole blood histamine levels too.
kottke
07 Aug 2006
Yes magnesium does work very well in panic situations. I take a chelated form using the patented "Biotron Process" from natures plus and havent really used any other form so i couldnt speculate on the different types. I have read an amazing article on magnesium taurate though that has been displaced do to the guy getting in trouble for recomending it for depression http://coldcure.com/html/dep.html.
It combines taurine with the magnesium which supposedly makes it biovailability go up as well as having the calming effect that taurine has. I havent fully clarified this though and its only 125mg per cap so i dont know if the added taurine effect is signifacant. If you get a hold of the article read it, its very informative.
Calcium is also something to look into though it may excacperate things do to enhanced neuron conductivity. I have to say I really dont have a handle on how calcium works in this way exactly, but when i add it with my magnesium i feel pretty calm and even sleepy. Try to get calcium without added vitamin D because vitamin D could definanly increase anxiety from my expereince...at least the synthetic form.
other suggestions: Reishi mushroom, taurine, glycine, music, ashwagandha, EPA from fish oil.
It combines taurine with the magnesium which supposedly makes it biovailability go up as well as having the calming effect that taurine has. I havent fully clarified this though and its only 125mg per cap so i dont know if the added taurine effect is signifacant. If you get a hold of the article read it, its very informative.
Calcium is also something to look into though it may excacperate things do to enhanced neuron conductivity. I have to say I really dont have a handle on how calcium works in this way exactly, but when i add it with my magnesium i feel pretty calm and even sleepy. Try to get calcium without added vitamin D because vitamin D could definanly increase anxiety from my expereince...at least the synthetic form.
other suggestions: Reishi mushroom, taurine, glycine, music, ashwagandha, EPA from fish oil.
pwk11
08 Aug 2006
I had them for quite a while. I tried valium,xanex,therapy,and all the rest.
Three things helped me to end them for good.
1. when i had them i found I was breathing very short,fast breathes high in my chest.So I would consciously breath slowly and deeply into my abdomen. Letting the air fill and push out my belly.
2. Get up and move around and just touch stuff. I found I was caught in my mind and sensing things real with my body would help get me out of it.
3. the one that finally ended them for good was I sincerely got really pissed off at feeling like I was going to go insane,but not go insane. After a while I caught on. It was all bullshit. I started saying as many times as needed, " OK, IF IM GOING TO GO F&*#^* CRAZY
LET`S GO RIGHT F%^&@% NOW!!!!!!" While up and walking and moving my arms around acting crazy.And I meant it!That`s the key to MEAN it. and theyslowly went away.{ you may want to go off alone somewhere to try it
}
They came back for a visit about 10 years later,but I did the same and they went away. That was 15 years ago. I felt one coming on last week with some noops I was taking. I blew it away in less than a minute.
Just keep trying these things until it works.I have taught these to a few friends who it has worked for as well.
Always remember if you think you are going crazy,you aren`t.
Because when you are crazy,you don`t know it.It`s the NOT knowing it that defines insanity.
Treat the attack as a maliciuos intruder,because it is. It is not YOU.
It`s just a passing state.Just dont buy into the bullshit. And keep trying it.It`s a loop/cycle that needs some shocks to be broken. The cycle can`t stand up to a good whoopin` for long.
As for a magic pill,I never found one,and man did I look. Most made them worse.In fact benzos{valium,ect} and SSRI`s {paxil,zoloft} had a very nasty rebound effect and withdraw. paul
Three things helped me to end them for good.
1. when i had them i found I was breathing very short,fast breathes high in my chest.So I would consciously breath slowly and deeply into my abdomen. Letting the air fill and push out my belly.
2. Get up and move around and just touch stuff. I found I was caught in my mind and sensing things real with my body would help get me out of it.
3. the one that finally ended them for good was I sincerely got really pissed off at feeling like I was going to go insane,but not go insane. After a while I caught on. It was all bullshit. I started saying as many times as needed, " OK, IF IM GOING TO GO F&*#^* CRAZY
LET`S GO RIGHT F%^&@% NOW!!!!!!" While up and walking and moving my arms around acting crazy.And I meant it!That`s the key to MEAN it. and theyslowly went away.{ you may want to go off alone somewhere to try it
}They came back for a visit about 10 years later,but I did the same and they went away. That was 15 years ago. I felt one coming on last week with some noops I was taking. I blew it away in less than a minute.
Just keep trying these things until it works.I have taught these to a few friends who it has worked for as well.
Always remember if you think you are going crazy,you aren`t.
Because when you are crazy,you don`t know it.It`s the NOT knowing it that defines insanity.
Treat the attack as a maliciuos intruder,because it is. It is not YOU.
It`s just a passing state.Just dont buy into the bullshit. And keep trying it.It`s a loop/cycle that needs some shocks to be broken. The cycle can`t stand up to a good whoopin` for long.
As for a magic pill,I never found one,and man did I look. Most made them worse.In fact benzos{valium,ect} and SSRI`s {paxil,zoloft} had a very nasty rebound effect and withdraw. paul
daorlando
08 Aug 2006
GABA works wonders for me (valium effect). L-tryptophan is very good too. If you want to try out herbs your best bet would be Kava Kava and Valerian. Good luck!
salesman
09 Aug 2006
thanks guys I will try the chelated Magnesium that I have already the next time one pops up
