LONGECITY

After reading all about Ortho Core on ImmInst.org, it seemed the best choice for a multi vitamin so I ordered some to replace the Swisse multi I've been on for 3 years. Have to give a big double thumbs up to Relentless Improvement on the delivery to Australia! Posted on the same day as paid for and arrived in 5 days, even with customs opening the package! Amazing!

I have a couple of questions on dosage. I've been taking 2 doses of 4 capsules morning and night with food. Is that OK?

Today is day 3 on "the core". The last 2 nights I've had very vivid dreams and can actually remember them in the morning. Anyone else had this experience? Could taking 4 capsules at night a few hours before sleep have something to do with it? Possibly 6 a day would be enough for me as I eat a very good varied diet?

This is not a bad thing, just unusual. Nothing different noticed during the day time, though i do seem a bit more alert. Could be placebo....
Other supplements I'm taking are: Fish oil 1.8g EPA, 1.2g DHA - Zinc 25mg - Calcium complex 1100mg - 120mg gingko 24/6 - 10mg vinpocentine - probiotic.

Thanks for any comments.

Ben in Australia

Im also consuming some foods that could be considered supplements: 20grams raw cocoa powder, 2-4 omega 3 eggs, 15grams spirulina, 10 grams chlorella, 40grams whey protein isolate.....

Today is day 3 on "the core". The last 2 nights I've had very vivid dreams and can actually remember them in the morning. Anyone else had this experience? Could taking 4 capsules at night a few hours before sleep have something to do with it? Possibly 6 a day would be enough for me as I eat a very good varied diet?

This is not a bad thing, just unusual. Nothing different noticed during the day time, though i do seem a bit more alert. Could be placebo....
Other supplements I'm taking are: Fish oil 1.8g EPA, 1.2g DHA - Zinc 25mg - Calcium complex 1100mg - 120mg gingko 24/6 - 10mg vinpocentine -  probiotic.

Thanks for any comments.

Ben in Australia

My understanding is that little or no dream recall is a sign of a vitamin b6 deficiency. You may be low in vitamin b6 and that is why that multi is helping you with the dream recall.

If you take very high doses of b6 at night it can make you feel energized and you won't sleep. But a low dose at bedtime is actually a good idea according to some. I think Schiff had (may still have) a melatonin product which also contained b6. A high dose would be something like 200 mg. or more, I think. But taking something like 50 mg. of b6 at bedtime should not interfere with sleep.

I have a condition treated only by orthomolecular called pyroluria which causes me to lose vitamin b6 and zinc in my urine. The only other reason I have heard of for having a vitamin b6 deficiency is when there is partial removal of your colon (preventing absorption).

I don't have much to say about using multi vitamins. Mine is basic because I have to take a number of nutrients separately in high doses.

I have also had a bit more vivid dreams since I started with orthocore.

Also, I have to agree with your assessment Relentless Improvement. I got my order in two business days!! Whoa.

if your not used to getting more than a mg or two of certain B vitamins, supplementing them usually drastically increases serotonin & melatonin production at night... which would lead to more vivid dreams.

Well, can't say anything about dreams or sleeping better since i also use low dose melatonin to help me wind down and fall asleep (together with rosemary and a few nightshift brain supps).

What I can comment on is Relentless Improvement. I have so far only had excellent experiences and they shure go the extra mile to serve you better. The least you can say is there ain't no better place for AOR products and there hardly is a better base product then ortho-core in my view.

Oh, i take the full 9 caps per day. 3 per meal so i feel i better absorb it and keep levels "steady".

if your not used to getting more than a mg or two of certain B vitamins, supplementing them usually drastically increases serotonin & melatonin production at night.. which would lead to more vivid dreams..

Anja: can you please find some references to support the above statements?

Thanks for the interesting replies. Seems I am not alone with the dreaming. I'll drop the amount to 6 a day. So far feeling quite good on ortho core. There are a lot of individual nutrients in it, that aren't commonplace. Wonder if getting new never taken before substances could make a difference(in health, feeling, alertness, etc). Also varied amounts of B vitamins, which eliminates that bright yellow urine effect of other multi vitamins. Must count for something with absorbing, not wasting it.

My understanding is that little or no dream recall is a sign of a vitamin b6 deficiency. You may be low in vitamin b6 and that is why that multi is helping you with the dream recall.

I wouldn't say I had poor dream recall prior to taking ortho core. Actually I kind of like remembering dreams. Sometimes its frustrating to forget yours dreams only minutes after waking. Perhaps this could be a method to increase creativity, or idea generation......

AOR discusses their vitamin in detail in the link below:

It's a large .pdf!

http://aor.ca/magazi...05_article1.pdf

I included the first page as a screenshot. I hope AOR does not sue me!