7-OXO-DHEA vs DHEA
tracer 09 Nov 2006
syr_ 09 Nov 2006
Shepard 09 Nov 2006
Anyway, 7oxo has poor oral bioavailability, you should use a topical of it, like Ab-solved.
Do you know of anywhere that still has any stock left?
scottl 10 Nov 2006
tracer 10 Nov 2006
You could use either DMSO or a Pleuronic Lecithin Organogel as a good transporter, failing which there are many Benzyl Alcohol/Ispopropyl Myristate based formulae.
Alternately, you could formulate a sublingual using Hydroxypropyl-Beta-Cyclodextrin. It may also be possible to make chewing gum out of it if you can find a gum base with a low melting point.
I reckon DHEA will also suffer from significant second pass elimination although I will have to check on that one... it should also complex with HPBCD easily.
Hence, I'm possibly going to make a little bit cof chewing-gum with both in it, and an aromatase inhibitor like formestane as well.
syr_ 11 Nov 2006
Do you know of anywhere that still has any stock left?
I have 2 bottles in stock
brutale 12 Nov 2006
you remarked that 7-oxo (= 7 keto?) dhea has poor oral bioavailability? My understanding is the ordinary DHEA has decent bioavailability -- check out the numerous studies of oral DHEA in various conditions on Pubmed.
Is 7 keto less bioavailable orally than DHEA?
Thanks.
tracer 13 Nov 2006
vortexentity 13 Nov 2006
I also think it made me a bit sharper than normal. It is slightly neurostimulating and hormone ballancing as well as aiding in fat loss IMHO.
starr 14 Nov 2006
If I recall correctly 7OXO is competitive for a certain rate limited enzymes as required for the formation of cortisol. It seems that this is one of the reasons it helps with weight loss better than regular DHEA. Not much is required to be effective. I ran out of my stock and my weight loss has certainly tapered off. It was going much faster when I was taking the 20mg size 7OXO I purchased on closeout last year.
I also think it made me a bit sharper than normal. It is slightly neurostimulating and hormone ballancing as well as aiding in fat loss IMHO.
How do you feel now that you're off of it? I was taking regular DHEA for a couple of months and as soon as I stopped my blood pressure got very low and I felt really tired.
vortexentity 14 Nov 2006
syr_ 15 Nov 2006
syr_,
you remarked that 7-oxo (= 7 keto?) dhea has poor oral bioavailability? My understanding is the ordinary DHEA has decent bioavailability -- check out the numerous studies of oral DHEA in various conditions on Pubmed.
Is 7 keto less bioavailable orally than DHEA?
Yes, 7oxo = 7-keto.
And, yes, normal DHEA has good bioavailabilty, altough for high doses a transdermal delivery is preferred.
macanizer 25 Apr 2007
Any good source for the topical 7-oxo? I ordered Avant Labs' Ab-Solved but got an email saying they're out of stock. Everywhere else I've looked says it's discontinued.