Pira, Ani, & Oxi
luv2increase 27 Mar 2007
Pira - 800mg X 3
Ani- 150mg X 2
Oxi- 150mg X 2
This will give me a daily ratio of 8 : 1 : 1 ratio of these three racetams.
What do you all think I may expect adding the Oxi?
Do any of you have experience with using all three at the same time?
What was your ratio?
Was it worth taking all three daily, or did you like taking just a single one or any two better than all three?
I really appreciate your help!
I will be posting my experience with this. My package should be here by Friday, hopefully.
shamus 27 Mar 2007
My Piracetam and Aniceratam will be in soon, and I don't know how much of each I should be taking.
Will the Aniceratam need an attack dosage?
luv2increase 28 Mar 2007
When the two are combined, lower the dose of both substantially. That is why I'm lowering the piracetam to 800mg X 3 when I add the oxi in order to avoid a repeat experience of my high ani and pira initial dosing scheme.
Some say 10:1 Pir to Ani, and I've also heard 16:1. Ani is strong stuff BTW.
I like the effects of the pir stacked with the ani. I've never tried ani on its own at higher doses though. I prob never will either.
I highly doubt you'd need to utilize an attack dose with it. Make sure you have enough choline in ya though, or else...
shamus 28 Mar 2007
Will 500mg Alpha GPC and a couple of eggs be enough?
I'll probably spilt my piracetam into two (morning/evening), but what about aniracetam? I won't be taking at night? Is 300mg in the morning ok?
luv2increase 28 Mar 2007
My second dose is around 7-7 1/2 after that with a little food.
Your choline looks good. You'll just have to try it out to make sure. If you don't get a stiff neck, tired, brain fog, headaches, and you feel great; it is just right. To get to that point, you'll have to experiment a little. I was lucky to get to that point within a week or so of messing around with doses.
psychenaut 28 Mar 2007
25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.
Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).
Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.
Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.
This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.
Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.
FWIW, YMMV.
Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com
luv2increase 28 Mar 2007
The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:
25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.
Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).
Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.
Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.
This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.
Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.
FWIW, YMMV.
Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com
I have read about phenylpiracetam. I believe that would be nice to experiment with. Maybe one day, it will be readily accessible at the current price range that piracetam is now? That would be great; otherwise, it is out of my price range.
Edited by luv2increase, 28 March 2007 - 08:27 PM.
medievil 29 Mar 2007
have you taken pram, pir and oxy togheter? or pram with oxy, do they work great in synergy?The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:
25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.
Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).
Personally I find an interesting effect that I have never seen mentioned- they reduce or eliminate hangovers for me if I take them approx 1-2 hours before alcohol intake.
Now, I am not a big drinker, and am very sensitive to alcohol, 4 glasses of wine will usually give me a headache the next day unless I preload with a racetam. Aniracetam seems to work best.
This all does make sense, aniracetam has some research showing analgesic qualities.
Pram is my favorite overall, much less "sleepies" than piracetam. Pram and Oxi seem to give me the best results for creative situations (listening to music, writing, coding). Phenylpiracetam is the only one of the bunch to have a physically stimulative component (enjoy: 8-12 hours!). The Russians claim phenylpiracetam is in the medicine box on the International Space Station for "as needed" use.
FWIW, YMMV.
Cheers,
Pete
RelentlessImprovement.com
thx
mrak1979 29 Mar 2007
luv2increase 29 Mar 2007
Always been wary of pram's NO releasing effect. I'm at 4800 pir + 1600 oxy per day. SKipped ani because of small halflife (~2hrs?).
That oxiracetam dose has to be very expensive. Who do you obtain your oxi from if you don't mind my asking? How long have you been using that dosing scheme? How do you divide up your doses? What do you notice in combing the two over just using piracetam alone?
Sorry if too many questions. I am just very curious as to your experience with this.
Thanks
EmbraceUnity 30 Mar 2007
I haven't tried any of the other racetams. I am weary of their safety since there doesn't seem to be much research relative to other supplements. Besides, the others are much more expensive.
mrak1979 30 Mar 2007
saphir 01 Apr 2007
Piracetam: a must in any nootropic stack because it potentialize almost all others and it cost about nothing. Good for creativity but high dose are making me ADD like… I prefer very low dose like 400mg/day, separated in 2 doses.
Aniracetam: boost creativity, productivity but also very good for stress, motivation and mood. Very good to work under pressure. Unfortunately, half-life is too short and it’s effective only with meals. For me 4 doses of 400mg is best.
Oxiracetam: very good for focus and creativity, piracetam like but much stronger. 800mg/day with piracetam gives me very good results.
Pramiracetam: the best in all fields, creativity, focus, mood, motivation, verbal fluency and more. It’s simply the ultimate smart drug. Using other racetams with pram makes no difference in results but potentialize it. The only problem is price but adding 400mg of piracetam to 600mg of pram gives me very good results. Too much pramiracetam is very nice in feelings but counterproductive in some situations: it’s making me always lost in my mind, doing nothing.
Nefiracetam: never tried because of concerns about testicular toxicity.
Phenylpiracetam: this one is a very good pick-me-up when needed… the very best in that field. I would say that it’s about like mixing Aniracetam, modafinil and a pinch of amphetamines but without the aggressivity and anxiety of modafinil and without the euphoria and the “down” of amphetamines. The effect is very stable and disappears with no hurt.
hst1 02 Apr 2007
Can you post your current nootropic stack?
luv2increase 02 Apr 2007
Interesting information Saphir....Thanks I've read some other posts that recomended low/micro dose Piracetam. I'm new to nootropics and was planning on starting out at about 600mg a day. And now that I read you post - it most likely will be 400mg.
Can you post your current nootropic stack?
If you notice he is using 1600mg aniracetam a day. The reason he felt like he had ADD symptoms when he used a higher dose a piracetam is because he is using such a high amount of aniracetam. When you use more than 1 racetam compound at a time, you have to lower the doses of each, otherwise you will get the so-called ADD symptoms of which saphir talks about.
You most likely will not see anything using such a low dose, especially if you don't AT LEAST use an attack dose first. If you don't use an attack dose, and you decide to use 400mg a day, don't expect to see anything for months if at all.
You will have to try it out for yourself though.
hst1 02 Apr 2007
http://www.imminst.o...f=169&t=8810&s=
I have found many others but don't have the links.
luv2increase 02 Apr 2007
Are piracetam and aniracetam best taken on a full or empty stomach?
Piracetam = water soluble ---> take on empty stomach
Aniracetam = fat soluble ----> take with a little food
What I do with the aniracetam is this. I get a spoon, put my aniracetam in it, put my idebenone in it, then pour EVOO (extra virgin olive oil) on top. I mix the stuff all nicely and take it after a few bites of food. After this, I will proceed to eat the rest of my meal and take the rest of my supplements.
alterego 02 Apr 2007
The racetams seem to have a pretty big individual variability. Based on customer feedback I would say:
25-35% of people have no reaction to racetams. Nothing.
Of the 65-75% that do, about half find immediate results, the other half ramp up over time (1-2 months).
Thanks for this statistical information, quite helpful. Do you also have insight into possible or probable side effects? My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.
luv2increase 02 Apr 2007
My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.
In what ways have you noticed this?
saphir 03 Apr 2007
Not too much things in it right now and no need to add anything. I'm 40.Interesting information Saphir....Thanks I've read some other posts that recomended low/micro dose Piracetam. I'm new to nootropics and was planning on starting out at about 600mg a day. And now that I read you post - it most likely will be 400mg.
Can you post your current nootropic stack?
Complete multivitamines
50mg dhea
400mg Piracetam
600mg Pramiracetam
1g AlphaGPC
1.25mg Deprenyl
1000mg Bacopa
4g Fish oil high EPA
As needed and depending on what's in stock:
for quick extra energy: Tyrosine, Caffeine
for stress: Rhodiola Rosea, Theanine
for heavy load situations: Phenylpiracetam, Modafinil
for specials: Vasopressin
I would start with 4000mg of Piracetam if no other racetam but I know that reaction to piracetam is very different from one person to another. 400 is a very low dose for most.
Edited by saphir, 03 April 2007 - 12:21 PM.
luv2increase 03 Apr 2007
saphir 03 Apr 2007
Sorry there was a zero missing... corrected [sfty]You are taking all of that stuff and recommending to start off with 400mg piracetam??? I think all that is messin with your head, seriously.
alterego 03 Apr 2007
My experience with pira and ani is that they seem to promote inflammation. At least in my case.
In what ways have you noticed this?
I have a light form of rheumatic arthritis. After I take pira or ani with choline, my inflammation symptoms flare up to a level that's really unpleasant. The role of choline alone is dubious, since it reduces symptoms on short notice, but only for a few day's. I think I isolated the problem to the piracetam and / or aniracetam.
During this period my hCRP also was elevated quite a bit, but to be honest, that cannot definitely be linked to the supplements.
But nobody is equal nor perfect.