Sunday Evening Update December 7th, 5pm CS...
Mind 21 Nov 2008
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
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brokenportal 04 Dec 2008
Guest_advancdaltruist_* 05 Dec 2008
Awesome. I'll be there.On the Sunday Evening Update this year we have heard from artificial intelligence luminaries and techno enthusiasts such as Eliezer Yudkowsky, Hugo De Garis, Michael Anissimov, Peter Warwick, and Christine Peterson. Now this Sunday you can get the latest from Novamente founder Ben Geortzel. Many of you might be familiar with Novamente as the company that drew Bruce Klein (founder of Imminst) into the AGI field. Bruce joined Novamente because he considered AGI the fastest route to achieving immortality. Ben Goertzel has been one of the more aggressive prognosticators when it come to the arrival of true AGI - at one time predicting we could see it within 5 years - if we try "really really hard".
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
Unlike Hugo de Garis, Ben Goertzel is certainly not a lunatic.
This should be good!
brokenportal 05 Dec 2008
Awesome. I'll be there.On the Sunday Evening Update this year we have heard from artificial intelligence luminaries and techno enthusiasts such as Eliezer Yudkowsky, Hugo De Garis, Michael Anissimov, Peter Warwick, and Christine Peterson. Now this Sunday you can get the latest from Novamente founder Ben Geortzel. Many of you might be familiar with Novamente as the company that drew Bruce Klein (founder of Imminst) into the AGI field. Bruce joined Novamente because he considered AGI the fastest route to achieving immortality. Ben Goertzel has been one of the more aggressive prognosticators when it come to the arrival of true AGI - at one time predicting we could see it within 5 years - if we try "really really hard".
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
Unlike Hugo de Garis, Ben Goertzel is certainly not a lunatic.
This should be good!
Except that deGaris isnt a lunatic either. Great new thoughts dont usually come from the centricity of thought, they come from the eccentricity. Pioneers and conformists, Ill take a wacky pioneer over a stale conformist any day.
Guest_advancdaltruist_* 05 Dec 2008
Awesome. I'll be there.On the Sunday Evening Update this year we have heard from artificial intelligence luminaries and techno enthusiasts such as Eliezer Yudkowsky, Hugo De Garis, Michael Anissimov, Peter Warwick, and Christine Peterson. Now this Sunday you can get the latest from Novamente founder Ben Geortzel. Many of you might be familiar with Novamente as the company that drew Bruce Klein (founder of Imminst) into the AGI field. Bruce joined Novamente because he considered AGI the fastest route to achieving immortality. Ben Goertzel has been one of the more aggressive prognosticators when it come to the arrival of true AGI - at one time predicting we could see it within 5 years - if we try "really really hard".
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
Unlike Hugo de Garis, Ben Goertzel is certainly not a lunatic.
This should be good!
Except that deGaris isnt a lunatic either. Great new thoughts dont usually come from the centricity of thought, they come from the eccentricity. Pioneers and conformists, Ill take a wacky pioneer over a stale conformist any day.
We already had this conversation: http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=25192
brokenportal 05 Dec 2008
Awesome. I'll be there.On the Sunday Evening Update this year we have heard from artificial intelligence luminaries and techno enthusiasts such as Eliezer Yudkowsky, Hugo De Garis, Michael Anissimov, Peter Warwick, and Christine Peterson. Now this Sunday you can get the latest from Novamente founder Ben Geortzel. Many of you might be familiar with Novamente as the company that drew Bruce Klein (founder of Imminst) into the AGI field. Bruce joined Novamente because he considered AGI the fastest route to achieving immortality. Ben Goertzel has been one of the more aggressive prognosticators when it come to the arrival of true AGI - at one time predicting we could see it within 5 years - if we try "really really hard".
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
Unlike Hugo de Garis, Ben Goertzel is certainly not a lunatic.
This should be good!
Except that deGaris isnt a lunatic either. Great new thoughts dont usually come from the centricity of thought, they come from the eccentricity. Pioneers and conformists, Ill take a wacky pioneer over a stale conformist any day.
We already had this conversation: http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=25192
I know, and we can have it again if people want to continue to distort the reputations of contributors of progressive thought with ad hominem attacks.
Mind 05 Dec 2008
Let us focus on this week's guest. If you cannot attend the live show, please present questions in this forum and I will ask Dr. Goertzel during the interview.
Shannon Vyff 05 Dec 2008
Mind 06 Dec 2008
This one was discussed before here at Imminst. I thought Ben was pretty funny and handled it well.
Mind 06 Dec 2008
brokenportal 06 Dec 2008
When we learn apparently new connections grow in our brains, and the more the path ways are used the more worn in, like a groove in a record, I imagine, they get, right? Can computers simulate that very closely?
Heliotrope 06 Dec 2008
My standard question for all of these AI researchers is "when will we see some benefit for anti-aging research?". I mean, sure, AGI could solve a lot of problems in a big hurry, but who knows when it will be developed. Ben thinks perhaps within 5 years. I doubt it. I want to know how AI is being applied tomorrow and the next day, and if there are any projects we should be supporting (besides Novamente of course).
if developed, I'm wondering how AI will be applied immediately to LE/anti-aging too! how it will help human or will it want to?? I'd like to know if the AI will be friendly and FULLY under our control or might he/she/it evolve too fast and outstrip even the collective effort of humanity, which seems unlikely and the Terminator movies/Connor Chronicle shows are more science fiction than fact.
brokenportal 06 Dec 2008
Mind, you say you dont see it happening in five years, I get the impression that once it does it will be like going from zero to light speed in a year. Maybe not the singularity, but vastly improved systems. I always have the penny doubling effect in the back of my head to parallel to this. If you double a penny every day for a month it will end up being over a billion dollars. They seem to only have about 5 cents right now, but I wouldnt doubt they could be alot more advanced than they are now any year now.
Shannon Vyff 07 Dec 2008
Mind 07 Dec 2008
Ben's Google Tech Talk from 2007. He starts out with a discussion about AI discovering what genes are involved in CR. I am wondering how Biomind (a Novamente project) is doing nowadays. Is it being used actively to solve aging problems?
Mind 07 Dec 2008
Mind 07 Dec 2008
brokenportal 07 Dec 2008
Vgamer1 07 Dec 2008
Mind 08 Dec 2008
It was interesting and informative as always. Dr. Goertzel is very good at clearly explaining the topic of AGI research and related fields. He sounded a little pessimistic about how the economy is going to affect AGI and related research. The main problem, in his opinion is paying a large number of qualified experts. Getting government or other grant money is very difficult. I asked him how Imminst could help out and it boiled down to advocacy and lobbying for the most part. He also suggested that perhaps a lot of the brilliant members here at Imminst could go back to school while the economy is crappy and get degrees in AI, comp sci, neuroscience, and the like. Then when the economy turns around, there will be a new cadre of researchers to attack the problem of AGI and the money to back them.
I also asked him if Hugo De Garis is a lunatic, as some people are adamant about. He said no, just eccentric. Ben is actually traveling to China next year to work with Hugo on evolved AI systems (at least for a couple months).
modelcadet 08 Dec 2008
Interview completed. Direct link here, (and yes I am aware of the pre-caching problem, we intend to host the videos at Imminst servers eventually).
It was interesting and informative as always. Dr. Goertzel is very good at clearly explaining the topic of AGI research and related fields. He sounded a little pessimistic about how the economy is going to affect AGI and related research. The main problem, in his opinion is paying a large number of qualified experts. Getting government or other grant money is very difficult. I asked him how Imminst could help out and it boiled down to advocacy and lobbying for the most part. He also suggested that perhaps a lot of the brilliant members here at Imminst could go back to school while the economy is crappy and get degrees in AI, comp sci, neuroscience, and the like. Then when the economy turns around, there will be a new cadre of researchers to attack the problem of AGI and the money to back them.
I also asked him if Hugo De Garis is a lunatic, as some people are adamant about. He said no, just eccentric. Ben is actually traveling to China next year to work with Hugo on evolved AI systems (at least for a couple months).
Mind, thank you so much for your work. It really means a lot to me personally to be able to access these revolutionary thinkers. Sorry I was a little cryptic in my question; I thank you for putting it out there though. It really has helped me. I'm gonna bounce this paper off of Ben, and hopefully I'll be able to release my work in greater detail. Ben talked about how difficult it is to work on these problems facing such broad public skepticism. It's even more difficult for me, because I don't have any advanced degrees... or money... ImmInst has been my saving grace.
I know I've said this before, but I discovered this site (and transhumanism) through Ben. We have such a great community here, and you're absolutely correct that we have an immeasurably useful resource in the ingenuity of this community.
If you're reading this and haven't listened to the interview, stop all processes and watch the tape! Ben, in my humble opinion, is one of the most level-headed guys in this movement, and his perspective is worth careful consideration.
Mind 08 Dec 2008
Heliotrope 08 Dec 2008
I asked the age-old question as to why AGI has not been developed yet - what is the main stumbling block? He said it boiled down to software and manpower. I said, there are a lot of people working on it already, and he responded with a comparison to MS Vista - saying there were thousands of people with lots of money working on Vista for years and it still turned out like crap. So in effect, creating AGI is more challenging (than Vista) and thus will probably take a while yet.
yeah i got a new laptop. since i was folding a bit too eagerly on old one and my old laptop finally croaked, tho it's fixed now and i gave it to a family member. all the new laptops they sell are Vista only and i couldn't find XP, so got Vista. Some fxns are nice, but mostly unimpressed. I don't want to downgrade things tho, but w/ my machine's specs, running XP would be super fast and efficient.
i got tired w/ some Vista annoyances, but i hear it's safer, more secure, and hard to crack into. this time i'm also careful to load it w/ anti-virus softwares and stuff beforehand.
If AGI occurs, if we transform, if humans merge w/ "machines" , if we have BC-interface, then we'd need good engineers to make those things un-crappy so as to not infect our brains w/ viruses or be taken over by others
modelcadet 08 Dec 2008
we'd need good engineers to make those things un-crappy so as to not infect our brains w/ viruses or be taken over by others
I guess you haven't heard of the God meme. :-P
JackChristopher 04 Feb 2009
On the Sunday Evening Update this year we have heard from artificial intelligence luminaries and techno enthusiasts such as Eliezer Yudkowsky, Hugo De Garis, Michael Anissimov, Peter Warwick, and Christine Peterson. Now this Sunday you can get the latest from Novamente founder Ben Geortzel. Many of you might be familiar with Novamente as the company that drew Bruce Klein (founder of Imminst) into the AGI field. Bruce joined Novamente because he considered AGI the fastest route to achieving immortality. Ben Goertzel has been one of the more aggressive prognosticators when it come to the arrival of true AGI - at one time predicting we could see it within 5 years - if we try "really really hard".
Tune in to the Sunday Evening Update to get the latest AGI prediction from Ben. Find out how fast the Novamente cognition engine is developing. Plus much more!
Mind, how do I find the identify the older interviews on your ustream channel?
I can't find them.