Can I get Vinpocetine from UK supplier?
Matt 18 Jun 2005
I Just found 5mg x 100 tablets from biogenesis but it says they don't ship to the UK http://www.biogenesi...vinpocetine.asp
Where am I able to get Vinpocetine online?
jeromewilson 18 Jun 2005
As a side note, I wouldn't worry too much about ordering from the US (e.g. www.bulknutrition.com), particularly if you want a reasonable amount of stuff - the shipping is a bit pricey but I usually have the goods within 5 days with no problems from customs.
Edited by jeromewilson, 18 June 2005 - 03:13 PM.
Matt 18 Jun 2005
Im going to order from qhi.co.uk . Is there anything Else I should get in combination that will help?
I am kind of new to all this, is it very safe? and how long has this drug been studies and are there any negative long term effects when using it regularly?
jeromewilson 18 Jun 2005
Basically, suppliers of nutritional supplements aren't licensed (thankfully) but if they get a good mention on here (e.g. QHI), or they sell 'brand name' products (e.g. QHI), or they can provide a CoA (certificate of authenticty) then you're fine. All of the suppliers in the list on this forum have been going for quite a while, and they wouldn't be listed if they weren't kosher.
As far as I'm aware Vinpocetine is considered very safe...
Vincamine and Vinpocetine have been widely researched and used clinically for over 25 years ... Anyone wishing to use a generally very safe, low side effect, brain metabolism enhancing, vigilance enhancing, cognition activating "smart drug."
http://www.smart-dru...vinpocetine.htm
From what LifeMirage has said I think Pyritinol would probably be a good choice for you, and some Piracetam and Choline (or Alpha-GPC) for general congition enhancement. But hopefully the man himself might stop by with some advice, or one of the other seriously knowledgable peeps on this fourm.
In the meantime I'd recommend you have a look at the Nootropic Research forum and maybe search for posts on anything that interests you.
Matt 18 Jun 2005
I hope I notice an improvement after a few weeks:)
Matt 22 Jun 2005
One part it says
" Will be used under guidance and with the consent of a physician. I hold hqi harmless from any legal action resulting from the purchase or use of products I am about to purchase. I understand that I am responsible for complying with my countrys mail importation laws and that all goods are shipped at purchasers own risk."
I've never ordered anything like this from another country. I assume people on here have got Vinpocetine imported into the country without a problem.
Please let me know soon as possible! . I don't know the UK law on importing smart drugs like vinpocetine.
jeromewilson 22 Jun 2005
Besides it's only a bit of Vinpocetine, it's not like you're arranging a shipment of 800kg of Clenbuterol
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magister 13 Jul 2005
maybe not the best price...but faster than anything overseas...
jeromewilson 13 Jul 2005
rhdrury 23 Jul 2005
But I have just heard that the EU has banned 300 vitamin supplements and 5000 other supplement products as of 1st August, and that anyone trying to import of buy such items off the internet can be considered to be attempting to obtain illegal products.
I'm not sure where this puts us, but would be interested in any comments.
jeromewilson 23 Jul 2005
Although the Directive was upheld following the Court's ruling, important gains have been made to protect the availability of food supplements through clarification and narrowing of the Directive's scope. Prohibitions by Regulators will now be much more difficult, and we predict that the anticipated wide-scale bans set to come in to force on 1 August in countries such as the UK will now not occur. www.alliance-natural-health.org
It's very hard to find out what's going to happen, exactly what supplements will be banned, but I guess time will tell.
In terms of suppliers, I have never had any problems at all with deliveries from abroad (unless you count having to pay, albeit 'under-quoted', duty). America seems to be the best price-wise, while you'll need to go to Europe and elsewhere for things like Deprenyl and Hydergine.
These are my current favourites:
http://www.iherb.com/
http://www.uniquenutrition.net/
http://www.bulknutrition.com/
http://www.qhi.co.uk/
http://www.freedom-pharmacy.com/
With regards a bulk buying consortium, have you come across http://www.nootropica.org/ ?
To be honest, if you're after reasonable quantites of supplements, I reckon it probably best to give Nootropica a shot. I know I said that I haven't had any problems with customs, but once you start importing kilos you will attract the wrong kind of attention very quickly. QHI is based in the UK but there must be a very good reason that they ship from abroad.
You have to pay 20% commission for Nootropica buys but then you only need to worry about taking delivery of your own portion of the buy, and I'm sure Jeff would oblige with plain / 'creative' packaging
Don't get me wrong though - I think it's a great idea in principle and would have loved to be involved (especially with putting a website together).
Edited by jeromewilson, 24 July 2005 - 10:57 AM.
x_brt 24 Jul 2005
As you were involved in that thread I thought you might be interested.
I took up Jeffs offer to forward an order of bulk Vinpo powder from CWN (only place I could find with powder) and it got to me no worries.
Matt, I'm not sure it Jeffs offer is still open (ask?) but it is another option if you want bulk powder.
jeromewilson 24 Jul 2005
I took up Jeffs offer to forward an order ... and it got to me no worries.
Hey, that's good to know. Maybe it's time for me to cancel my USGlobalMail forwarding, I'm sort of loathe to though - it was a real pain in the arse to get it all set up (where do you find a notary when you need one?)
rhdrury 24 Jul 2005
I don't know the sort of things you take but a couple of kilos of ALC would keep say four of us going at a gram a day for a year and a half.
I was also thinking (secure member's area) website. Do you know how many UK people are involved here? Enough people, maybe 10 or so, each receiving an kg of something once a year and we'd have a good supply to cover everyone's basic stack.
For some reason, I also find paying customs charges highly offensive. Is that why you have the US Global Mail? Maybe some kind 'friend' in america, sending his friends 'gifts' could avoid that. I don't know.
Thanks for the links. Is there any specific UK nootropicer's tread or (future?) website you know of to discuss current best suppliers/pertinent info, etc...?
Incidentally, are you at Cambridge? I think I remember you (or Matt) posting a link about some kind of conference at Queens' College. Just curious.
Edited by rhdrury, 24 July 2005 - 11:55 PM.
jeromewilson 25 Jul 2005
I think my current favs for a bulk buy would be: SAMe (enteric coated), Oxiracetam, ALCar, Theanine... also Deprenyl and Hydergine but those last two aren't going to happen.
The only people who I know are from the UK are your good self, Matt and Bart above. I guess there are others though, and more to be found on Avant forums ( http://forum.avantla...hp?showforum=41 ) and the Nootropica / MondoNootropica discussion groups ( http://health.groups...oup/Nootropica/ http://health.groups...ondoNootropica/ ). Unfortunately I haven't come across a specific UK forum, but I reckon almost every topic (apart from specific country's import regulations) is really internationally relevant. It would be nice to have an area just for us Brits though (we could discuss our favourite varieties of tea without fear of interruption from any uncouth Americans [lol]).
Yeah, paying duty is pretty annoying but the reason I got a US forwarding address is that there are a number of suppliers who will only ship within the US, or won't ship to the UK. Unfortunately USGlobalMail reproduce the original customs declaration on the packaging, so there is still duty to pay. As you say, though, Jeff from Nootropica could be you 'friend in America' for a small fee (jeff@nootropica.com).
I'm from a village just outside Bath (well, actually it's probably closer to Bristol, but, you know...) and I think Matt lives in Wales. Are you a bicycle riding, scarf wearing type then?
rhdrury 26 Jul 2005
I think Smart Nutrition ship to the UK, and they have deprenyl, although they might not ship that.
There must be some kind of online meet we could do that would be useful to discuss best suppliers, prices, shipping charges...? Where do you get your Carnosine from (if you take it)? The cheapest UK source I can find is Jarrow (but made from meat) or Ethos Endymion.
I was also romantically thinking of something like matching our basic stacks, mixing it all up in a big vat once a year, and then taking away a year's supply of ready-mixed protein drink or whatever. Cheaper bulk buying, less time spend running short, re-ordering, counting out pills...
Anyway.
Edited by rhdrury, 29 July 2005 - 02:24 AM.
the bricoleur 26 Jul 2005
uniquenutrition 26 Jul 2005
Our Aniracetam and Oxiracetam are sent in sealed hard containers, while at the moment our centrophenoxine, piracetam, and pyritinol are in sealed bags.
Sincerely Steve
Unique Nutrition
rhdrury 26 Jul 2005
Do you want to try to co-ordinate? We'd need to find maybe one or two others, match our basic stacks... Jerome?
Edited by rhdrury, 29 July 2005 - 02:25 AM.
jeromewilson 27 Jul 2005
It's not mentioned on the site but Jeff has said (in the discussion list) that he's prepared to accept orders from people who don't want a whole unit (kg), I guess down to about 25% of a unit.
scottl 27 Jul 2005
jeromewilson 28 Jul 2005
the bricoleur 02 Aug 2005
Yes, bricoleur, it seems silly to be paying retail prices when a few of us could split 800 grams of independently tested bulk buy from http://www.nootropica.org/.
Do you want to try to co-ordinate? We'd need to find maybe one or two others, match our basic stacks... Jerome?
Count me in, but before I disappoint, due to financial constraints I may have to say "no" after confirming what it will cost me. A drag I know... sorry.
uniquenutrition 14 Aug 2005
Sincerely Steve Sliwa
President
Unique Nutrition
www.uniquenutrition.net
streety 05 Oct 2005
I'm still developing my stack but would be interested in anything that saves me money in the long run.