Is there any Mineralocorticoid and/or Gluc...
Flex 23 Sep 2014
As written in the heading, I wanted to request for any input in those regards.
I could only find 2 studies for the GR receptor but only one for the MR receptor.
Any input for up- or down-regulators would be appreciated e.g. even antidepressants.
Because I dont know whether the up or down regulation of the receptors do relieves my depression. It seems that by decreasing corticosterone, a decrease appears of my depression.
Antidepressant-like effects of Cortex Mori Radicis extract via bidirectional phosphorylation of glucocorticoid receptors in the hippocampus.
http://www.researchg...the_hippocampus
Novel Antidepressant-Like Activity of Propolis Extract Mediated by Enhanced Glucocorticoid Receptor Function in the Hippocampus
http://www.hindawi.c...am/2013/217853/
A bioactive compound from Polygala tenuifolia regulates efficiency of chronic stress on hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis.
Metagene 23 Sep 2014
Curcumin prevents corticosterone-induced neurotoxicity and abnormalities of neuroplasticity via 5-HT receptor pathway.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/21689105/
Curcumin reverses the effects of chronic stress on behavior, the HPA axis, BDNF expression and phosphorylation of CREB.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....om=Curcumin HPA
micro2000 25 Sep 2014
Flex 29 Sep 2014
Danshen extract 15,16-dihydrotanshinone I functions as a potential modulator against metabolic syndrome through multi-target pathways.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20380878
Here, we report that the lipophilic component, 15,16-dihydrotanshinone I (DHTH) from danshen potently antagonized both mineralocorticoid and glucocorticoid receptors, and efficiently inhibited the expression of their target genes like Na(+)/K(+) ATPase, glucose 6-phosphatase (G6Pase), and phosphoenolpyruvate carboxykinase (PEPCK). In addition, DHTH increased AMPKalpha phosphorylation and regulated its downstream pathways, including increasing acetyl-CoA carboxylase (ACC) phosphorylation, inhibiting transducer of regulated CREB activity 2 (TORC2) translocation and promoting glucose uptake.
As usual: Danshen aka Salvia Miltiorrhiza is a potent bloodthinner
Effects of tanshinone IIA, a major component of Salvia miltiorrhiza, on platelet aggregation in healthy newborn piglets.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21453766
The herb possesses anticoagulation action and probably acts on various coagulation factors
http://eurekamag.com...1/005651213.php
And so on.
Edited by Flex, 29 September 2014 - 02:09 PM.
Flex 29 Sep 2014
11-ketotestosterone interferes with cortisone to cortisol formation. Mifepristone is a GR antagonist.
Interresting, I knew only Ursolic acid for this target via inhibitting 11-Beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase
http://examine.com/s...cid/#summary8-0
Thanks for the contribution.
Plasticperson 01 Oct 2014
i think humic/fulvic acid might have some sort of effect...on a side note I love the stuff one of the best substances I've ever used
golden1 01 Oct 2014
ashwagandha lowers cortisol a lot, couple studies on that. not sure if thats close to what you are looking for
Flex 01 Oct 2014
Thanks.
The only what I´ve found is that Shilajit / Fulvic acid has the same effect like Betamethasone
http://www.insidersh..._mountains/2364
And I knew this from Ashwa.
I´ve tried it, but somehow was Gotu Kola more effective
Unfortunaetly without any modulating effects.
I reconsidered my idea. I need actually something like Mifepristone that somehow enduringly alters the GR or MR activity.
I´ve learned that 11β-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenase limits the activation of Glucocorticoides on Mineralocorticoid receptors due degradation.
So I´m curious whether my depression was caused by perhaps an epigenetic alteration of 11ß HSD or GR/MR receptors.
I´ve found this site with some interresting informations.
11β-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenases in the Regulation of Tissue Glucocorticoid Availability
http://www.intechope...id-availability
I´m testing right now Salvia miltiorrhiza and it seems to have some enduring effects.
But from my experiences with Chinese skullcap and Sodium Benzoate, which lasted a few days, I cant say it for sure below 1 week .
Dont ask me why Sodium benzoate is working
Perhaps this could be the explanation because NaBe alters the glutamate transmission
How physical exercise protects the brain from stress-induced depression
http://ki.se/en/news...uced-depression
Btw: Polygala hasnt changed anything
I´m also trying to obtain Mifepristone.
If I find something or anything changes, I will update it here.
Thanks for Your help again
datrat 02 Oct 2014
I´m testing right now Salvia miltiorrhiza and it seems to have some enduring effects.
But from my experiences with Chinese skullcap and Sodium Benzoate, which lasted a few days, I cant say it for sure below 1 week .
How is the salvia miltiorrhiza continuing to work for you. I think you're on to something here. Although mefipristone maybe better, there is some speculation, at least in old M&M threads, that mineralcoid antagonists might offer some benefits and since dan shen is both a gr/mr antagonist it may work well. I've been trying it for the last 4 days at approx. 1.5 grams BID and I feel really good. Although I've been experimenting with many things lately, I'm really impressed with it for these 4 days anyway.
Flex 02 Oct 2014
The good and bad thing respectively is that Dan shen acts similair like amphetamine afaik via activating potassium channels,
this in turn releases dopamine.
It is good, but this makes it problematic to distinguish between dopamine and GR/MR effects.
So the role of GR/MR for the mood
Yes I´ve found interresting informations.
Here are some findings:
GR do increase themselves, dosedependly, via activating the expression of 11β-Hydroxysteroid Dehydrogenase 1 mrna expression.
this in turn converts more cortisone( the inactive form) into cortisol. So a self reinforcing loop.
But can convert it back(wiki), whereas 11ßHSD2 only converts it to the inactive form.
Inhibition of 11ßHSD2 by Liquorice (a nonselective inhibitor of 1&2) leads to an excess of MR.
Aldosterone, a MR, as an example increases anxiety.
Btw: THC/Anandamide or perhaps the Sartans( telmisartan) and ACE inhibitors do decrase Aldosterone.
The list goes on but I dont want to spam. I want rather to post the reults an the "targets" i.e. epigenetic activation/decativation
and other mechanisms as posted above.
If You want to read into, the following links were very interresting for me:
http://www.endocrine.../ea0034p243.htm
http://www.intechope...id-availability
http://www.plosone.o...al.pone.0074691
http://www.clinicale.../content/4/1/24
This thread has some additional informations
http://www.longecity...is-dysfunction/
Edited by Flex, 02 October 2014 - 11:39 PM.
Flex 05 Oct 2014
I just wanted to add an example of a "bad" MR: Aldosterone
http://www.afibbers....aldosterone.pdf
Aldosterone: A forgotten mediator of the relationship between psychological stress and heart disease
Xptriate 23 Apr 2017
whatever happened to this ? because its kind of where I reached in my research, plus or minus some stuff