LONGECITY

What do people think is the optimum daily(or weekly) dosage for

 

A) Astragalus herb powder  

B) Astragalus Extract (stronger)

 

If so what's the reasoning? Let's just assume a person of average weight etc.

By optimum I mean a dosage that has the maximum anti-aging effect while still being safe (not factoring in $ costs or personal convenience or anything like that).

 

Is there any generally accepted maximum safe dose for this?

max dose is 30g if you're taking as a Chi Tonic:

 

http://www.americand...te/HuangQi.html

 

 

do not take astragalus as anti aging supplement, cycloastragenol is a much better bang for your buck.

The keyword is "think". No one actually knows.

 

From a safety standpoint you should check out your iron levels once in a while, because the Astragalus plant have a tendency to accumulate iron from the ground.

 

This is especially important if you have a genetic variation for hemachromatosis. If you're female you don't have to worry until you're about 40 something, though.

 

Donating blood once in a while solves this problem for both men and women.

max dose is 30g if you're taking as a Chi Tonic:

 

http://www.americand...te/HuangQi.html

 

 

do not take astragalus as anti aging supplement, cycloastragenol is a much better bang for your buck.

 

Ok I see what you mean,    however despite the bang for the buck it would seem astragalus is still technically able to have similar antiaging effects?  Is there any clear difference between property of  whole astragalus vs Cyclo vs Astragaloside IV  ? Not in terms of potency just the actual property I'm curious if there's any difference and in what ways, since they likely will have somewhat different properties.

 

max dose is 30g if you're taking as a Chi Tonic:

 

http://www.americand...te/HuangQi.html

 

 

do not take astragalus as anti aging supplement, cycloastragenol is a much better bang for your buck.

 

Ok I see what you mean,    however despite the bang for the buck it would seem astragalus is still technically able to have similar antiaging effects?  Is there any clear difference between property of  whole astragalus vs Cyclo vs Astragaloside IV  ? Not in terms of potency just the actual property I'm curious if there's any difference and in what ways, since they likely will have somewhat different properties.

 

 

 

No one knows if Astragalus extract or Astragaloside IV are as effective as cycloastragenol, they haven't been tested nearly as much as cyclo has been as telomerase activators. 

 

In my personal observation, cycloastragenol does not have the tonic properties of Astragalus extract. at 15g a day or more, there's a clear uplifting feeling that you get from Astragalus, hence why it's considered a "Chi" Tonic in Chinese medicine for centuries.

Edited by marcobjj, 23 March 2017 - 03:06 AM.

I'm not sure how you are doing your cost bennefit analysis. I can get astragalus root cheap locally and perform the extraction myself. I don't know how to extract specifically cycloastragenol, so I have to pay commercial prices for that. So up to the safe dosage astragalus would seem to get me more bang for the buck.

There is no need to isolate cyclo on it's own,  the other parts like astragaloside 4 etc are probably beneficial as well, and likely they're synergistic.  So I agree with James that we can just extract from dry root.

 

 

No one knows if Astragalus extract or Astragaloside IV are as effective as cycloastragenol, they haven't been tested nearly as much as cyclo has been as telomerase activators. 

 

In my personal observation, cycloastragenol does not have the tonic properties of Astragalus extract. at 15g a day or more, there's a clear uplifting feeling that you get from Astragalus, hence why it's considered a "Chi" Tonic in Chinese medicine for centuries.

 

 

I'm familiar with the chinese origins of astragalus usage.  The thing is that cyclo is still part of the astragalus in general , so it's not like cyclo on it's own is something else vs cyclo that exists naturally inside the astragalus whole herb. The chi effect and the antiaging property of the compounds (including cyclo) are related, not separate.

I'm not sure how you are doing your cost bennefit analysis. I can get astragalus root cheap locally and perform the extraction myself. I don't know how to extract specifically cycloastragenol, so I have to pay commercial prices for that. So up to the safe dosage astragalus would seem to get me more bang for the buck.

 

Here's a good place to start looking for extraction procedures, publication US20070122501 A1, Formulations containing astragalus extracts and uses thereof.

I do not thing that taking astragalus over a long time will be beneficial to anyone. If you look at Chinese formulas they
Rarely have a single herb in their formulas. Astragalus can improve your immune health, can help even with hemorrhoids and wrinkles, but it can also raise your blood pressure. This is all because of raising the Qi function. Chinese formulas include a group of other herbs that will counter act the unwanted effects..

I do not feel comfortable taking synthetic form of any herb over a long time.

I do not thing that taking astragalus over a long time will be beneficial to anyone. If you look at Chinese formulas they
Rarely have a single herb in their formulas. Astragalus can improve your immune health, can help even with hemorrhoids and wrinkles, but it can also raise your blood pressure. This is all because of raising the Qi function. Chinese formulas include a group of other herbs that will counter act the unwanted effects..

I do not feel comfortable taking synthetic form of any herb over a long time.

 

Astragalus is usually combined with Asian Ginseng, or the cheaper substitute Codonopsis. This formula is the most common Chi tonic in Chinese Medicine, check this out:

 

http://www.dragonher....asp?number=310

As you mentioned, the formula above contains auxiliary herbs such as Aged Tangerine peel which prevents the stagnation of chi that can occur while taking tonic formulas. If you're under 40 years old, TCM also doesn't recommend taking tonics as supplement, only as medicine. Tonics will supposedly "overclock" your body.

As you mentioned, the formula above contains auxiliary herbs such as Aged Tangerine peel which prevents the stagnation of chi that can occur while taking tonic formulas. If you're under 40 years old, TCM also doesn't recommend taking tonics as supplement, only as medicine. Tonics will supposedly "overclock" your body.

 

It depends on what tonics you're taking (whether or not overclock). Not all tonics overclock a young person , maybe ginseng will have such an effect but those kinds of tonic herbs are stimulants (for those i would agree on perhaps not being good for young persons, but some other ones could be ok).

Edited by Never_Ending, 03 November 2017 - 09:35 PM.