LONGECITY

Welcome! is eating sugar shortening life expectancy?

Depends how much are you eating it. Moderate taking of suger will not make diabetes and wuill not give you more body weight. Because of this it should not alter your length of life. This is what the current science says.

 

But it mostly depends on the individual particularities, maybe genetics. I think so, because... my fat and unhealthy lifestyled grandmother died at the age of 97. For her lifestyle she had to be dead at the age of 70.

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Hmmm. The older you get the more sensitive to sugar and carbs you become and the more likely to have serious diabetic symptoms

I personally think that the issue arises with excessive refined sugars (and refined carbs like flower, corn meal, and so on). 

 

That is what spikes the blood sugar and insulin the most. 

 

Where as with fruit, you could theoretically eat the same amount of sugar but because it naturally occurs with fiber and other nutrients, the blood sugar and insulin response is not nearly so drastic. 

 

Even a lot of veggies have some naturally occurring sugars but have almost negligible effects on blood sugar due to the fiber, etc. 

 

I don't have time to find the sources for all this, but if anyone thinks I am interpreting this wrong, please let me know. 

Carbohydrates will kill you. That's a no-brainer. 

Edited by ketogeniclongevity, 16 May 2017 - 07:44 AM.

Carbohydrates will kill you. That's a no-brainer. 

 

Enough with the mindless ketogenic/high-fat diet talking points.  Some of the longest lived populations on planet Earth are on a very low-fat, high carb diet.  To the extent you have data and science to the contrary, you are welcome to post it. 

 

Carbohydrates will kill you. That's a no-brainer. 

 

Enough with the mindless ketogenic/high-fat diet talking points.  Some of the longest lived populations on planet Earth are on a very low-fat, high carb diet.  To the extent you have data and science to the contrary, you are welcome to post it. 

 

 

Would you agree that processed sugar and carbohydrates are causing issues?

Some of the longest lived populations on planet Earth are on a very low-fat, high carb diet.

 

Like whom?

 

Carbohydrates will kill you. That's a no-brainer. 

 

Enough with the mindless ketogenic/high-fat diet talking points.  Some of the longest lived populations on planet Earth are on a very low-fat, high carb diet.  To the extent you have data and science to the contrary, you are welcome to post it. 

 

The Okinawans have longevity genes that allows them to binge on carbs. For people lacking these genes, a ketogenic diet is best. http://www.okicent.org/

Edited by ketogeniclongevity, 17 May 2017 - 03:17 AM.

Actually, studies on lab mice on longevity would suggest that Hi-carbs, low protein is favourable to longevity. No blue zones populations followed a ketogenic diet. Not only genes, but diet and lifestyle are believed to be the cause of their longevity. I'm not sure there is a gene which allows you to binge on carbs. Maybe polymorphisms which help you do digest starch.

 

Pls see the discussion I started on the CRsociety forum on HI.carb, low-protein geometry. I do not agree with such an extreme geometry, but they provide some evidence on lab animals. There are the main literature references (mainly, articles from Solon-biet et al.).

 

An interesting picture illustrating that the rats who ate a keto diet (high-fat, low-protein) displayed bad metabolic health and lifespan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by mccoy, 20 May 2017 - 10:00 PM.

Actually, studies on lab mice on longevity would suggest that Hi-carbs, low protein is favourable to longevity. No blue zones populations followed a ketogenic diet. Not only genes, but diet and lifestyle are believed to be the cause of their longevity. I'm not sure there is a gene which allows you to binge on carbs. Maybe polymorphisms which help you do digest starch.

 

Pls see the discussion I started on the CRsociety forum on HI.carb, low-protein geometry. I do not agree with such an extreme geometry, but they provide some evidence on lab animals. There are the main literature references (mainly, articles from Solon-biet et al.).

 

An interesting picture illustrating that the rats who ate a keto diet (high-fat, low-protein) displayed bad metabolic health and lifespan.

 

 

Protein is healthy, period.

 

Protein increases many hypertonic antioxidants including glutathione.

Edited by ketogeniclongevity, 20 May 2017 - 11:02 PM.

Protein is not useful, is necessary for survival. The optimum amount of protein is very open to debate though.

 

One of the main proponents of the ketogenic diet, Dr. Ron rosedale, reccomends a very low amount of protein, below the RDA, in the region of 0.6-0.7 g kg^-1d^-1

 

Excess of protein and specifically dietary amminoacids may overamplify mTOR metabolic signalling and open the door to a cancer proliferation and degenerative disease. This is not conducive to longevity.

 

This is a very well known video of Dr. Rosedale and his discussion on mTOR and low protein. The other school of ketogenic diet, Taubes Noak et al., does not agree. The role of mTOR in activating cancer proliferation is well known though in the scientific literature. Please note that I'm not saying that the ketogenic diet may have its specific role in weightloss, diabetes control, epilepsy, and even cancer control, but to say that a ketogenic diet is the most conducive to longevity should address long term issues related mainly to the high amount of fats. If the diet is low-protein, then it appears to be much better.

 

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The mTOR Signalling Pathway in Human Cancer

 

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Much depends on ones genes. 

E4 carriers benefit most from low fat, high-carb diets while E2 carriers benefit most from high-fat, low-carb diets.

Protein is great.  If your kidneys can handle it.  Too much and one is prone to cancer.

Mice are a poor model for human diets.  They do not tolerate high fat.  It kills them. 

 

Maybe fasting is the answer.

Much depends on ones lifestyle.

 

Go working in the Alaskan outdoors on a low fat low protein diet and come back here to report how are you doing.

I agree. At the end, much depends on much. There is not a universally perfect nutritional geometry and the optimum may vary even with the same individual in different conditions.

 

And sorry, coming back to the OP: sugar meant as crystallized, refined sucrose (table sugar) is bad and that's one thing every dietary religion agrees upon.

Natural sucrose in natural food, in my experience brings about no problems. That's anectodic though, out there everyone says the opposite of everyone else.

Ron Rosedale and the paleo guys will say fruit is the devil, with sucrose and fructose being two hideous fiends. Dr. Greger and the vegan guys will say fruit is heavenly because fiber and phytochemicals make it way different from pure sucrose or fructose. 

BTW.. as i reading at some websites they only say like "sugar=weight up=diabetes" what if i eating a half year a go almost 0.5kg sugar everyday and lost weight? Actually I have 79kg and 191cm, that means sugar isint unhealthy for me? Im confused

Snejks, again we need to define 'sugar'.

 

If you mean the white or clear-brown crystals added to coffe or other drinks and the sugar added to drink and cakes and many commercial food (whatever form of sugar: suchrose, fructose, glucose).

 

That's very BAD, everyone agrees.

 

If you lost weight by eating so much simple, artificial sugar there might be some reasons, iot may even be simple malnutrition.

 

But there are also natural and healthy types of sugar (not everyone agrees, but I believe so).

 

Sugar contained in fresh fruit is believed by many (especially fructarians, vegans, vegetarians) to be a readily available source of energy without the drawbacks of  artificial, industrial sugar (presence of fiber, phytochemiclas and other beneficial compounds).

 

sugar contained in vegetables is believed to be healthy by even more people.

 

Diabetes and being overweight are somehow connected but one can be thin and diabetic (or on the way to become so).

 

Sugar causes an insulin peak, well...actually any food causes an insulin peak but sugar by itself a sharper and higher one.

 

But it isn't that simple neither, there are other factors influencing how sharp and/or high that peak is, during training (or other intense physical activities) the peak is much blunted, insulin receptors sensitivity is another factor, sugar consumed alone is very different than along fats or fibers and so on.

 

One big insulin peak isn't that bad, the real killers are many smaller ones very often.

 

Gobbling on your favorite ice cream might not be the healthiest thing but not nearly as bad as munching all day long on little bits of sugary things and/or drinking sodas, each single amount might be tiny but all those peaks don't give a break.

 

Sugar itself is not bad nor good, it much depends....

this might be unrelated but what is those yellow things you see in sugar packets from time to time?