LONGECITY

Of course we're genetically similar, we're all human. We're very genetically similar to some non-humans. There are certainly general arguments for a low-carb diet and health, but using genetics as an argument for every human to follow a low-carb diet isn't a strong one. Until nutrigenomics really gets off the ground and branches out some, we probably won't know anything more than we do now (which currently seems to be a chicken and egg predicament).

I never used genetics as an argument for a low-carb diet. I used it as an argument that there should be one best diet that works for practically everyone on Earth. I personally believe that that diet is a high-fat (but low omega-6), moderate-protein (mostly animal source), low-carb (no grains or starches) diet. This diet seems to be working wonders for everyone I know (personally and online) who's adopted it. And the science seems to support it as the best diet for humans, too. For example, the paleo diet trumps the Medditeranian diet, and high-fat diet improves lipid readings significantly better than a low-fat diet.

Isn't high protein, moderate fat, low carb the best, duke?

Protein is so low in calories, it's pretty impossible to eat a high-protein diet that is not higher in fat.

I'm having a bout of stomach flu again, for the second time in about a month. On both occasions, it happened when I returned to my apartment after visiting my parents' house over the weekend. Between these two occasions, I visited them over the Christmas holidays, and when I returned, I didn't get ill. I think it's due to me eating a particular kind of nuts, since I consumed them about a day before I got ill, on both occasions.

Isn't high protein, moderate fat, low carb the best, duke?

I turn the food pyramid upside down, and suggest that a high-fat, mod-protein, low-carb diet is best. But, it's not just that simple, because in each of these three areas there are good and bad choices. The way I summarize this is pretty simple: no processed vegetable oils, no gluten, no fructose.
Edited by DukeNukem, 09 January 2009 - 01:52 AM.

The way I summarize this is pretty simple: no processed vegetable oils, no gluten, no fructose.

What's your current stance on the Glisodin/SODzyme supplementation? Someone brought up a new topic about it in the Regimen forum and it got me thinking who still uses it, considering it contains gliadin and the shifting attitude on gluten.

The way I summarize this is pretty simple: no processed vegetable oils, no gluten, no fructose.

What's your current stance on the Glisodin/SODzyme supplementation? Someone brought up a new topic about it in the Regimen forum and it got me thinking who still uses it, considering it contains gliadin and the shifting attitude on gluten.

Well, I just hope that there's not enough in that supplement (which I still take) to worry about. Likewise, the newer ubiquinol version of CoQ10 from Japan is encapsulated with a little bit of trans fat (not sure why they do that, but that's the only way you can get it).

I don't have a zero gluten-free or zero-wheat diet, as I do cheat once in a while, like a bite or two of high-quality dessert. Lately, though, I've definitely become less of a cheater -- I see TV ads showing a hamburger on a bun and there's nothing appealing whatsoever about eating that worthless insulin-surging bun. I feel like I've really turned the corner on breaking away from any grain addiction I once had (and I used to have it bad!). Bread is merely a food delivery platform, and I don't need it anymore.
Edited by DukeNukem, 12 January 2009 - 07:46 PM.

The way I summarize this is pretty simple: no processed vegetable oils, no gluten, no fructose.

What's your current stance on the Glisodin/SODzyme supplementation? Someone brought up a new topic about it in the Regimen forum and it got me thinking who still uses it, considering it contains gliadin and the shifting attitude on gluten.

Hey Duke, while we're asking about current stances, what is your current stance on CLA? I know you're in favor (or at least I think you are) of organic butter from grass-fed cattle and I think I've seen you say positive things about grass-fed bison/buffalo meat, too. All three would be high in CLA, right? I've noticed some positive remarks about CLA on The Heart Scan Blog and favorable stuff about grass-fed butter on the Whole Health Source blog, but I also saw some negative stuff about CLA on here before. Do you supplement with CLA? If you don't, do you think it is fine from those natural sources?

Any input you've got on this shep would be great, too. Or anyone else, really. I am trying to figure out whether to adjust my diet for less or more CLA.

The way I summarize this is pretty simple: no processed vegetable oils, no gluten, no fructose.

What's your current stance on the Glisodin/SODzyme supplementation? Someone brought up a new topic about it in the Regimen forum and it got me thinking who still uses it, considering it contains gliadin and the shifting attitude on gluten.

Hey Duke, while we're asking about current stances, what is your current stance on CLA? I know you're in favor (or at least I think you are) of organic butter from grass-fed cattle and I think I've seen you say positive things about grass-fed bison/buffalo meat, too. All three would be high in CLA, right? I've noticed some positive remarks about CLA on The Heart Scan Blog and favorable stuff about grass-fed butter on the Whole Health Source blog, but I also saw some negative stuff about CLA on here before. Do you supplement with CLA? If you don't, do you think it is fine from those natural sources?

Any input you've got on this shep would be great, too. Or anyone else, really. I am trying to figure out whether to adjust my diet for less or more CLA.

I supplement with one CLA every other day. CLA seems to help with the metabolism of fat, and also may reduce inflammation:
http://www.lef.org/m...port_cla_01.htm

I classify CLA as very unlikely to hurt, but just might help. It's no where near a must-take supplement, IMO.

You have to break down CLA into it's various isomers and judge the source. The trans-10, cis-12 isomers are the nasty ones. Rumenic acid is cis-9, trans-11 and is a w-7 fat. Rumenic acid is generally the primary form of CLA in dairy products, and seems to have enough of a positive effect to offset a chunk of the negative effects of the 10,12 isomers. So, my stance is CLA in the diet is good, but not worth supplementing since the best I've seen is a 50:50 mixture of the 10,12 and 9,11 isomers.

Low carb, Moderate protein, high fat diet is the best?! Everyone I know does well on it (as said by another imm member)?! Sorry, I do horribly on those ratios.

I hope to do a post soon on Diet, Antioxidants, HGH, and Supplements. I feel a large portion of even our enlightened audience is duped into thinking the paleo diet maximizes longevity. The Paleo diet helps increase muscle mass and decrease weight which helps with your consitution for any general moment, but the hormonal environment will be a detriment to longevity vs a diet that helps lower internal growth hormones (like lowering IGF-1).

Of course you want to eat unprocessed foods, avoid processed fructose, lower polyunsaturate intake (with balance),and avoid gluten. But a high fat diet is not the only (or best) diet out there.

Problems of a Paleo diet:

1: too much protein; even a moderate paleo diet has protein approaching 100-150g of protein a day. Plus, you can start to alter the bacteria in your stomach towards putrafactive bacteria from fermentative.
2: too much fat; remember the figures of AGEs in foods, cooked animal foods or oils or even certain nuts have lots of these. Fat can also form dangerous compounds in your gut during digestion. I trust that fats I make in my body from carbohydrates won't have this problem.

People who are overweight seem to do extremely well on high protein, low carb diets. This is precisely because they are overweight. Thin people can process carbs well (being insulin sensitive, remember the Kitava?), being thin is the natural state of man. Just as consuming antioxidants are beneficial in diseased type states, but when you are healthy, they might hurt energy production and longevity.

When you eat a Paleo diet, you are really bumping up your hormones. There seems to me to be overwelming evidence that eating a growth producing diet (while it can make you big and strong), hampers maximum longevity. More to come!

I did 10 miles a day on the treadmill 6 days of the week for two weeks over the holidays before a nasty flu hit our home (I also was getting in my vitamin D from 20 minutes of actual sun, as well as taking my handful of daily supplements, eating CR etc.) I was cleaning lots of vomit-- my three kids and my husband all got it--I kept expecting to, but amazingly never got it 10 miles was excessive (sort of a luxury as I'm so busy) for me as my usual is 3 to 5 (if I'm lucky). Its hard to work in 10 miles, but I'm currently pretty convinced that it ramped up my immune system--today I've gotten in 7 miles, and will try to get the last three in before bedtime .

You have to break down CLA into it's various isomers and judge the source. The trans-10, cis-12 isomers are the nasty ones. Rumenic acid is cis-9, trans-11 and is a w-7 fat. Rumenic acid is generally the primary form of CLA in dairy products, and seems to have enough of a positive effect to offset a chunk of the negative effects of the 10,12 isomers. So, my stance is CLA in the diet is good, but not worth supplementing since the best I've seen is a 50:50 mixture of the 10,12 and 9,11 isomers.

Interesting. I had already made up my mind not to buy more when my current bottle runs out. I'm trying to shrink my supplement list as much as possible, and CLA will be one of the many to go.

Low carb, Moderate protein, high fat diet is the best?! Everyone I know does well on it (as said by another imm member)?! Sorry, I do horribly on those ratios.

I hope to do a post soon on Diet, Antioxidants, HGH, and Supplements. I feel a large portion of even our enlightened audience is duped into thinking the paleo diet maximizes longevity. The Paleo diet helps increase muscle mass and decrease weight which helps with your consitution for any general moment, but the hormonal environment will be a detriment to longevity vs a diet that helps lower internal growth hormones (like lowering IGF-1).

Of course you want to eat unprocessed foods, avoid processed fructose, lower polyunsaturate intake (with balance),and avoid gluten. But a high fat diet is not the only (or best) diet out there.

Problems of a Paleo diet:

1: too much protein; even a moderate paleo diet has protein approaching 100-150g of protein a day. Plus, you can start to alter the bacteria in your stomach towards putrafactive bacteria from fermentative.
2: too much fat; remember the figures of AGEs in foods, cooked animal foods or oils or even certain nuts have lots of these. Fat can also form dangerous compounds in your gut during digestion. I trust that fats I make in my body from carbohydrates won't have this problem.

People who are overweight seem to do extremely well on high protein, low carb diets. This is precisely because they are overweight. Thin people can process carbs well (being insulin sensitive, remember the Kitava?), being thin is the natural state of man. Just as consuming antioxidants are beneficial in diseased type states, but when you are healthy, they might hurt energy production and longevity.

When you eat a Paleo diet, you are really bumping up your hormones. There seems to me to be overwelming evidence that eating a growth producing diet (while it can make you big and strong), hampers maximum longevity. More to come!

Well, you pointed out a LOT of pluses of the paleo diet!

Remember, the paleo diet doesn't rule out tuber vegetables like potatoes, which is in part what the Kitava ate (yam, sweet potato, taro and cassava). I personally rule out potatoes because they are a stunningly poor nutritional bang for the caloric buck.

I think you over-estimate the protein eaten by most people on a paleo diet. I rarely get more than 125g a day, which puts my protein intake at less than 25% of total cals for me. And the fats I consume are in large part unheated, unprocessed, like olive oil, tea seed oil, palm oil and coconut oil. Also, raw goat cheese, and raw, sprouted mixed nuts. If I cook with fat or oil, I'll make sure to use one that will not change its molecular structure due to over-heating. I do get a little cooked fat in meats, but it's super stable saturated fat, so it's much safer than a food cooked with a vegetable oil.

Cooked meat is a real concern for AGEs, I'll grant you that. To help combat that I take several AGE-blockers. I also always take a 6mg resveratrol pill (basically equal to a glass of RSV-rich red wine) before eating any red meat, for this reason:

Before I came in contact with Imminst and changed my lifestyle I say, subjectively of course, that I got sick at least half a dozen times a year, if not more. These would be common cold, flu, and most especially allergic type reactions ('colds' in the summer *sigh*). Also I had my share of psychiatric diagnoses.

These days with supplementation, dietary changes(albeit not strict), and more physical activity I have only suffered one bout of the flu in the past three years. Allergies are still an issue but are more managable, and I no longer see a psychiatrist or take pharmaceutical psychotropics.

I do suffer from chronic pain and some cognitive/memory issues, though others would argue against that, due to a series of physical accidents. All I can hope for on that front is a cessation or reduction in the progression of the symptoms, which is a balance between my expectations and reality.

So in summation I'm not the healthiest guy but I'm probably better off than the average joe.
Edited by johnblaze, 13 January 2009 - 06:08 AM.

I put less than once per year. However, I do have allergies.... probably hayfever. That can be very annoying, but it isn't a disease per se. I also travelled to Egypt recently and caught "Pharaoh's Revenge" along with everyone else, but that was an unusual circumstance.

Calorie Restriction as far as I'm concerned 'cured' my hay fever allergy that I had for 6 years prior to CR. Just totally GONE! :D So there are ways to help relieve it through lifestyle.

I can't even remember the last time I was sick other than food poisoning I had 2 years ago from contaminated canned salmon from Whole Foods. I haven't had a cold in at least 7 years. I think it's due to exercise and I've always felt like I needed to constantly drink water. People have warned me since I was a teen that it's a diabetic symptom, blah, blah. It's just healthy.
Edited by nancyd, 06 April 2009 - 12:07 AM.

The Schwarzbein Principle II suggests four groups. Healthy adrenals & insulin sensitive, Healthy adrenals & insulin resistant, Fatigued adrenals & insulin sensitive, & Fatigued adrenals & insulin resistant. This book also follows a high (good fat) intake with mono, saturated and poly fats, protein depending on your weight, mostly above ground vegetables, limited pure healthy carbs depending on your group, and supplements. The object is to be in the healthy adrenal & insulin sensitve group. Depending on how long a person has been eating a high refined carb diet depends on how long the healing process takes. The author, an endocrinologist, took seven years of hit and miss trials to heal. She has found that people in the last group take longest to heal.

Lights Out, another book, suggests eating no more than 45 grams of good quality carbs when in the hibernating months and free for all during the months of June, July, August, and mid September. Also suggesting that lights above the normal sun cycle to be one of the contributing factors to disease.

I don't get sick much but suffer from Generalized Anxiety Disorder GAD. Am trying the above diet for hormones and neurotransmitter balancing. Supposed to take around two years to heal. I'm on week three. Got a long way to go.

Not sure that this poll is a good indication of health. I thought there are only around 100 different strains of cold virus and you largely gain immunity to each one as you get it. This is why children and young people get so many colds. With age and immunity to most of the common strains it is inevitable that the older you are the fewer colds you will suffer. In this case it is good to be older :-)

I'm 57 and I haven't had a cold now for several years but I put that down to age and not that I am healthy.

Also even if you are very healthy and you are exposed to a cold virus where you have no immunity then despite your healthy state you will catch that cold. The main advanatge of your good health is the speed at which you are likely to recover.

As for allergies: I had hayfever regularly in my younger years and which stopped when I immigrated from the UK (I lived in the Kent area) to Califiornia in the mid 1990s. I suspect because I was not sensitive the CA allergens. But my allergies did return after several years but have now largely gone again. Talking with many people my own age it seems it is common for such allergies to simply go away with age. Ahh it is good to be older. :-)

Low carb, Moderate protein, high fat diet is the best?! Everyone I know does well on it (as said by another imm member)?! Sorry, I do horribly on those ratios.

I hope to do a post soon on Diet, Antioxidants, HGH, and Supplements. I feel a large portion of even our enlightened audience is duped into thinking the paleo diet maximizes longevity. The Paleo diet helps increase muscle mass and decrease weight which helps with your consitution for any general moment, but the hormonal environment will be a detriment to longevity vs a diet that helps lower internal growth hormones (like lowering IGF-1).

Of course you want to eat unprocessed foods, avoid processed fructose, lower polyunsaturate intake (with balance),and avoid gluten. But a high fat diet is not the only (or best) diet out there.

Problems of a Paleo diet:

1: too much protein; even a moderate paleo diet has protein approaching 100-150g of protein a day. Plus, you can start to alter the bacteria in your stomach towards putrafactive bacteria from fermentative.
2: too much fat; remember the figures of AGEs in foods, cooked animal foods or oils or even certain nuts have lots of these. Fat can also form dangerous compounds in your gut during digestion. I trust that fats I make in my body from carbohydrates won't have this problem.

People who are overweight seem to do extremely well on high protein, low carb diets. This is precisely because they are overweight. Thin people can process carbs well (being insulin sensitive, remember the Kitava?), being thin is the natural state of man. Just as consuming antioxidants are beneficial in diseased type states, but when you are healthy, they might hurt energy production and longevity.

When you eat a Paleo diet, you are really bumping up your hormones. There seems to me to be overwelming evidence that eating a growth producing diet (while it can make you big and strong), hampers maximum longevity. More to come!

It can also make you look old eventually by making your bones grow through increased DHT production.

I've just had a slight cold (3 days, ran a temperature the second night) for the first time in four years. I've never had other ailments and I am fortunate to be from a family that are long lived, women to late 90s and early 100s, men late 80s, early 90s, with no history of major illness. So here's hoping...

You know I was reading my own record of complaints up there and I must say that growing old is nothing I wish on anyone, however all in all I really am of good health, I generally get no more than one cold a year, if that. I should have pointed that out in the beginning because compared to some membeers it is almost offensive to be seen as complaining.

It is the age related stuff that is annoying, and debilitating. The sense of stiffening back and limbs, the decline of skin tension and muscle tone. The need to cover up against the cold instead of just turning up the internal heater and my eyes, god I despise age related farsightedness, I hate wearing glasses to read.

Since the original diagnosis above I have undertaken a procedure to shrink the prostate so I do not have to take those meds for a few more decades hopefully . I am considering eye surgery of the serious kind to replace my lenses internally. I can't tell you how glad I am of the many opportunities to improve life as an aging person medicine now provides.

If they can grow hair from stem cells soon that is one procedure I may opt for too. I hate getting bald. I just want to share my rage at age not just my fear of mortal disease.

I still have my appendix and tonsils though and strong bones.

Hello Lazarus Long, you said that you have a procedure to shrink the prostate naturally that way you won't have to take meds for a few more decades!! can you tell me about that procedure? I am going bald and due to DHT and we all know that BPH is part of the equation too! I would like to know what your are doing to delay using meds! that way I can start early!
Edited by luispzo, 14 January 2010 - 03:43 PM.

3 years flu/cold free and counting. had light cold symptoms (cough or nose congestion) several times but thats about it.

Considering the risky line of work I'm in I'm just happy to be alive at the end of each day!

http://www.youtube.c...A...65&index=11

Since I began to eat extremely well and being very selective with my food and choosing carefully my foods ( biological/organic foods), juices rich in polyphenols, special bacterial cultures juice etc well since that time (1 year ago) I didn't catch anything not even a single cold. Only supplements I take are vitamin D, magnesium and sometimes Beta-Carotene. I drink a lot of green tea and take soy milk with my selection of biological cereals with some Vector (supplemented cereal) in it. Oh and I take Green+ Daily Detox too... Works wonderful...

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If they can grow hair from stem cells soon that is one procedure I may opt for too. I hate getting bald. I just want to share my rage at age not just my fear of mortal disease.

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