Ejaculation --->> depressed immune...
1kgcoffee 18 Jul 2009
Another thing is that for a few days afterwards, I'm less intelligent, less coordinated, have a slower reaction time and feel tired in general. I understand this can be attributed to abnormally high levels of prolactin, but is there another piece of story missing? Could it have something to do with dopamine too?
Does anyone here understand what's going on? Can anyone relate? Any solutions?
--massive thanks in advance
Edited by 1kgcoffee, 18 July 2009 - 09:27 AM.
1kgcoffee 18 Jul 2009
You lose alot of zinc when you ejaculate.
I've thought about this one, but I supplement with zinc 2 or 3 times a week. And could that explain the near immediate effects?
kismet 18 Jul 2009
But if anyone feels like continuing this discussion with more than baseless speculation and on a more scientific level, provide serious references. If not I beg a mod to close this useless topic (or merge it with the millions of other such threads). I find it is extremely irresponsible to repeat the same, old, tired myths again and again. No one will be helped that way.
Only two posts in one thread and we're already at 2 myths:
-) prolactin rise is minuscle and transient, almost 0% change in AUC over 24hours.
-) the loss in zinc is minimal at best, probably similar to sweating, but then again, no one feels depressed from sweating...
Edited by kismet, 18 July 2009 - 12:19 PM.
JLL 18 Jul 2009
Dopamine (DA) is a monoamine neurotransmitter of both central and peripheral nervous system. Its role in the neural-immune communication has been discussed in the present review. Results reveal that in vivo damage or stimulation of specific central dopaminergic system suppresses or enhances functional activities of the immune effector cells. The possible influences of other immunomodulators of the brain by altering brain DA may be the underlying mechanism. Direct effects of DA on the immune effector cells are also contradictory, it is suppressive in vitro, while in pharmacological doses, it is mostly stimulatory in vivo. The possible mechanisms have been discussed. Lastly, future areas of relevance on DA and immunity have been highlighted to advance our knowledge regarding DA as an immune regulator.
B_Jim 18 Jul 2009
JLL : thank you very very much! We try to find a solution to explain Pois.
To my knowledge, nobody make the link between dopamine and immune system before you. Dopamine for cognitive symptoms and effect on immune system to explain flu-like symptoms. Amazing.
1kgcoffee 18 Jul 2009
This problem has been going on for years, and any help - including baseless speculation - is helpful. Perhaps it is psychosomatic, but how can one test that? I was never raised to feel guilty about sex or masturbation, so it seems unlikely. If you want to stick around and play devils advocate that's cool and helpful, but please don't try to get my thread closed.
JLL,
Thanks, I'm looking into that.
B_Jim,
Thanks! I found this thread, and you seem to be in it:
http://www.thenakeds...hp?topic=6576.0
Heliotrope 18 Jul 2009
Hi 1kgcoffee, I have it too. We call it Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (Pois). In the past I had symptoms during 3/4 days after ejaculation with close symptoms.
I wonder if the act of shooting semen is serious enough to warrant the "Post-Orgasmic Illness Syndrome (Pois)" , a complete disorder just from masturbation etc?
there should be no ill effects or decreasing IQ/ cognitive ability if once 3/4 days or maybe 3 times a day even.
StrangeAeons 19 Jul 2009
In other words:
the OP has already posted having depressive symptoms in another thread; that doesn't mean I'm writing the whole thing off as psychosomatic, but it's conceivable that in certain forms of mood disorder, something as mild as a transient increase in prolactin (or perhaps a sudden change in endorphin, oxytocin, or any other of a host of chemical processes related to orgasm) might be sufficient to swing the already-dysfunctional brain into a more compromising state. This is still conjecture, though, and I honestly think that treatment should consist of treating the mood disorder.
B_Jim 20 Jul 2009
n25philly 20 Jul 2009
I've noticed this for years. Shortly after ejaculating, my immune system becomes depressed and I start to catch a sore throat. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes not. Since getting a chipped molar, the effect is even more noticeable. I'm more prone to infection in that tooth and can literally feel the left tonsil starting to swell after ejaculating. It's only ever a problem after ejaculation
Another thing is that for a few days afterwards, I'm less intelligent, less coordinated, have a slower reaction time and feel tired in general. I understand this can be attributed to abnormally high levels of prolactin, but is there another piece of story missing? Could it have something to do with dopamine too?
Does anyone here understand what's going on? Can anyone relate? Any solutions?
--massive thanks in advance
sore throat after ejaculating? Then don't swallow...
synaesthetic 20 Jul 2009
1kgcoffee 25 Jul 2009
Another symptom I forgot to mention - my cheeks become noticeably hollow afterwards and face sallow. This is like the opposite of 'moon face' that steroid users tend to get.
StrangeAeons 25 Jul 2009
Heliotrope 27 Jul 2009
solbanger 27 Jul 2009
Thanks for the responses.
Another symptom I forgot to mention - my cheeks become noticeably hollow afterwards and face sallow. This is like the opposite of 'moon face' that steroid users tend to get.
I heard that's how Michael Jackson prepared for Thriller.
1kgcoffee 28 Jul 2009
again, I think this is psychiatric but that the ejaculation might be a legitimate physiological trigger that exacerbates certain symptoms. For instance, "flat affect" is a characteristic of depression, and affect has a lot to do with tension and tone in the facial muscles. This is something I know about first hand, regardless of what causes it.
Thanks StrangeAeons, I doubted the depression theory but this has me thinking otherwise, now.