LONGECITY

was using aderrall 20mg XR a day. I started using piracetam at 5g a day and dropped aderrall to 10mg but felt nothing.

Recently i got Aniracetam, Oxiracetam, and Slabutiamine

Been Dosing

6am: 1.6g Piracetam, 600mg Aniracetam, 600mg Salbutiamine
11am: 1.6 g Piracetam, 1g Aniracetam, 750mg Oxiracetam, + sometimes 15mcg Huperzine A (really low dose)
5pm: 800mg Piracetam, 600mg Aniracetam, 75mg Oxiracetam, 600mg Salbutiamine

I feel Great. No aderrall. Is this insane dosing?? I feel fantastic and am learning/concentrating really good. Used to take 600mg caffeine in pills on top of the aderrall and i stopped that too.
Could this stack be harmful??

Choline Bitartrate as needed... i use a lot though, it makes me feel good. I would say i use 6g a day.
ALCAR - 5g / day
Glutamine- 20g / day
Creatine - 5g / day
R-ALA - 150mg with meals
CoQ10
NAC
Vit E with mega trocotrienols or whatever
Edited by fritzer, 20 November 2010 - 07:05 AM.

Well, the dosages are a little on the high side, but I don't think they're necessarily dangerous. I might worry a bit about how long effects can be sustained if you're taking it every day; I'd try to take weekends off, or something like that. There might be similar psychological concerns as with higher (10g+) piracetam, though it's really tough to say. I'd proceed with caution, and keep us updated as to how it's working.

Also, I think most people feel that sulbutiamine builds tolerance fairly rapidly. You might want to take that just a few times a week.

There are also concerns about piracetam cosupplementation with adderall, and I haven't done enough research to say how well-founded they are. But they would probably be magnified by the inclusion of two more racetams and glutamine, so I'd hesitate to take adderall along with this stack.

5g creatin / d could be bad for your kidneys in the long run

aderrall is not being ingested, i am not taking it along with this stack. I am tired of the crashes and feeling tired. I was given aderrall for ADD after trying to not take anything for three years. But one day as a professor was talking to me and I was doing my usual look around their forehead and wonder when they are going to stop talking, when am i working out, its hot in hear, etc i decided to try aderrall. But other than make me want to go to sleep it didnt do much. i was thinking high dose racetam right now better than 20mg toxic amphetamines

i only plan to dose this high for a month then go to half values for a while... right now is exams.

So far i will say that the aniracetam/oxiracetam are showing definite effects. Nothing like some people say, but i am much more focused. A little too focused, i burnt food 10 feet away from me for an hour as i studied. I think personally, after one week on this stack the mental energy and stamina is better than aderrall. On aderrall i feel tired and sleepy, if i dose some major caffeine i can go crazy but the crash is HUGE and i need to nap etc etc.

So i will say that i am really happy and have ordered more aniracetam and oxiracetam. I will keep updating.

So far:

Stress much lower
Sleep better (no aderrall and mega caffeine)
Concentration Really good...
Memory i can't comment on yet, my memory has always been good but I will be putting it to the test as I am doing some insane study

Thanks for the salbutiamine update i will go 3 days salbutiamine, 2 days nicotine, 1 day copious green tea, 1 day off
Edited by fritzer, 20 November 2010 - 09:41 AM.

5g creatin / d could be bad for your kidneys in the long run

Sorry but that is totally false.

Like Chrono mentions, tolerance develops rapidly to Sulbutiamine, well to the acute energising/mood enhancing effects anyway. If you can manage with only 3 days of Sulbutiamine a week, and still maintain the highly positive effects you seem to have elicited then great, tolerance will be minimal. Also there is nothing in your stack that I would consider harmful.

Congratulations on finding an alternative to Adderall, keep us updated on how effective this regime remains in the long term.

i have decided to stick the salbutiamine in everyday. Even though tolerance is setting in, I am not using it for is effect on my mood/acute energy but rather its effects as thiamine in the brain for long term mental energy and memory.

I have tolerance now but still have more mental energy... don't want to just sleep after 30mins of studying

The racetams are going well. I added in some CDP-choline but have not noticed a difference over choline bitartrate at this point but I am using both.

The energy and focus i am getting are much much much muuuuch better than adderall without the feeling of toxicity and tiredness. So i am very happy.