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[health_nutty]

I've developed this stack experimenting with one supplement at a time. I started with the recommended dosage and adjusted from there. Most important thing I noticed is I need micodoses of Piracetam.

Methylene Blue: 1/2 drop a day a drop split into 3 doses.
Piracetam: 400mg a day split into 3 doses (200mg, 100mg, 100mg)
ALCAR: 2g a day split into 3 doses
CDP Choline: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
Sulbutiamine: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
4g of omega 3's (from 6g of fish oil concentrate).
5mg of Lithium Orotate at night
500mg of Bacopa (Bacopin brand).
1 Lecithin pill at dinner
Many cups of strong green tea.

Other Supplements:
Multivitamin
500mg of Pom4p (pomegrante extract)
2000iu of Vitamin D
100 mcg Vitamin K2
500 mg of Magnesium Citrate
1mg of Melatonin
Glass of red wine (probably not a good idea considering my liver is also processing these other supplements).

Edited by health_nutty, 03 October 2011 - 05:32 PM.

[health_nutty]

Sulbutiamine is awesome. It really completed my nootroptic stack. I would often feel supercharged by my stack followed by mentally exaustion. With sulbutiamine, I have calm energy and I don't burn out later in the day. Previously by the end of the day I would find myself mentally drained and feeling like I needed a glass of wine to unwind. This stack is awesome for motivation, energy, and boot. Alertness is greatly improved but in a smooth way.

[noos]

I did not know Methylene Blue is available as a supplement. Source?. Does it have noticeable effect?Thanks.

Edited by noos, 04 October 2011 - 05:04 AM.

[riloal]

health_nutty, it looks great your stack. I started recently with all the nootropics stuff. I also see to respond better to piracetam microdoses. But somedays it makes me feel sleppy others i feel great. Do you have any side effect with your stack? No drowsiness, no fatigue? Why do you take vit k? Thanks

[health_nutty]

health_nutty, it looks great your stack. I started recently with all the nootropics stuff. I also see to respond better to piracetam microdoses. But somedays it makes me feel sleppy others i feel great. Do you have any side effect with your stack? No drowsiness, no fatigue? Why do you take vit k? Thanks

No side effects with my stack. I noticed I crave caffeine much much less. I take vitamin k2 for health reasons. It prevents / reverses arterial calcification (and is very difficult to get from your diet).

[chrono]

Good stack! That's great that you've found noots beneficial after all.

I'm very curious: how long have you been taking sulbutiamine? Do you take it every day? Have you noticed any decrease in efficacy? I find it curious that some here have reported severe tolerance issues, while others haven't noticed anything in this regard.

[health_nutty]

I haven't been taking sulbutiamine long (only a week). It hasn't lost any effectiveness yet. It seems to help prevent mental fatigue. Piracetam, alcar, and other simulating noots give me a boost, but also wipe burn me out faster. Sulbutiamine seems to prevent that. I think I'm especially sensitive to Piracetam.

[riloal]

How long have you been on piracetam? I will cycle the vit k, for his anticogulant properties.

[chrono]

I haven't been taking sulbutiamine long (only a week). It hasn't lost any effectiveness yet. It seems to help prevent mental fatigue. Piracetam, alcar, and other simulating noots give me a boost, but also wipe burn me out faster. Sulbutiamine seems to prevent that. I think I'm especially sensitive to Piracetam.

Hmm, in that case, you may want to read the discussions about tolerance and side effects (marked in the thread index, I think). I seem to recall someone saying that after two weeks the effectiveness started to drop off...

[health_nutty]

I haven't been taking sulbutiamine long (only a week). It hasn't lost any effectiveness yet. It seems to help prevent mental fatigue. Piracetam, alcar, and other simulating noots give me a boost, but also wipe burn me out faster. Sulbutiamine seems to prevent that. I think I'm especially sensitive to Piracetam.

Hmm, in that case, you may want to read the discussions about tolerance and side effects (marked in the thread index, I think). I seem to recall someone saying that after two weeks the effectiveness started to drop off...

That would be a serious bummer! I'll check out the thread index. (crossing my fingers...)

[health_nutty]

I've developed this stack experimenting with one supplement at a time. I started with the recommended dosage and adjusted from there. Most important thing I noticed is I need micodoses of Piracetam.

Methylene Blue: 1/2 drop a day a drop split into 3 doses.
Piracetam: 400mg a day split into 3 doses (200mg, 100mg, 100mg)
ALCAR: 2g a day split into 3 doses
CDP Choline: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
Sulbutiamine: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
4g of omega 3's (from 6g of fish oil concentrate).
5mg of Lithium Orotate at night
500mg of Bacopa (Bacopin brand).
1 Lecithin pill at dinner
Many cups of strong green tea.

Other Supplements:
Multivitamin
500mg of Pom4p (pomegrante extract)
2000iu of Vitamin D
100 mcg Vitamin K2
500 mg of Magnesium Citrate
1mg of Melatonin
Glass of red wine (probably not a good idea considering my liver is also processing these other supplements).

I tried upping the cdp-choline to 300mg twice a day and ended up with a headache (presumably from too much ACh).

[chrono]

I tried upping the cdp-choline to 300mg twice a day and ended up with a headache (presumably from too much ACh).

Definitely not surprised! I actually can't believe you can take ALCAR, CDP and exogenous lecethin (in addition to what you get from your diet) together at all.

Are you still on a low-carb diet? I remember our discussion when you first started taking piracetam, and I've found the idea borne out this year. I tried low-carb for a while this summer, and found I could combine cholinergics in a way that would give me a splitting headache and crazy brain fog otherwise.

[health_nutty]

I tried upping the cdp-choline to 300mg twice a day and ended up with a headache (presumably from too much ACh).

Definitely not surprised! I actually can't believe you can take ALCAR, CDP and exogenous lecethin (in addition to what you get from your diet) together at all.

Are you still on a low-carb diet? I remember our discussion when you first started taking piracetam, and I've found the idea borne out this year. I tried low-carb for a while this summer, and found I could combine cholinergics in a way that would give me a splitting headache and crazy brain fog otherwise.

I'm not low-carb anymore, I'm gluten free. I have incorperated some brown rice (and occasionally potato in my diet). Probably lower carb than most, but I don't perform at my best mentally or physically when I let my carbs get too low.

[8bitmore]

@health_nutty, thanks for sharing your stack, its helpful for me. I'm currently contemplating adding sulbutiamine to my own regimen and was wondering about which brand/source you use? And if possible; how you chose it? (market seems very non-transparent..)

[canz]

Sulbutiamine is awesome, but after about a week it started losing effectiveness for me. Not only that, after I got off of it I was an irritable mess. So it seems I suffered from withdraws and tolerance. It was good while it lasted!

[health_nutty]

@health_nutty, thanks for sharing your stack, its helpful for me. I'm currently contemplating adding sulbutiamine to my own regimen and was wondering about which brand/source you use? And if possible; how you chose it? (market seems very non-transparent..)

I use smartpowders brand uncapped.

[health_nutty]

Sulbutiamine is awesome, but after about a week it started losing effectiveness for me. Not only that, after I got off of it I was an irritable mess. So it seems I suffered from withdraws and tolerance. It was good while it lasted!

Strange. This is my second week. I don't get energy from Sulbutiamine like some do. I just seems to prevent me from getting mentally drained. This effect has not diminished (yet).

[8bitmore]

@health_nutty, thanks for sharing your stack, its helpful for me. I'm currently contemplating adding sulbutiamine to my own regimen and was wondering about which brand/source you use? And if possible; how you chose it? (market seems very non-transparent..)

I use smartpowders brand uncapped.

Thanks for the info - I'll see order a batch and go moderately at it.

[canz]

Sulbutiamine is awesome, but after about a week it started losing effectiveness for me. Not only that, after I got off of it I was an irritable mess. So it seems I suffered from withdraws and tolerance. It was good while it lasted!

Strange. This is my second week. I don't get energy from Sulbutiamine like some do. I just seems to prevent me from getting mentally drained. This effect has not diminished (yet).

I'm going to try cycling it with tyrosine and see how it works....still experimenting.

[health_nutty]

Update somehow now I am able to take normal doses of Piracetam without any side effects. It may be due to the glutamine. I'm going to try stopping it for a while
and see if the irritability shows up again.

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Methylene Blue: 1/2 drop a day a drop split into 3 doses.
Piracetam: 1600mg a day split into 3 doses
ALCAR: 1.5g a day split into 3 doses
CDP Choline: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
Sulbutiamine: 300mg with olive oil at breakfast
4g of omega 3's (from 6g of fish oil concentrate).
5mg of Lithium Orotate at night
500mg of Bacopa (Bacopin brand).
150mg of Picamilion split into 3 doses.
3 tablespoons of nutritional (brewers) yeast (mostly for the 600mg of uridine)
2g of l-glutamine
Many cups of strong green tea.

Other Supplements:
Multivitamin
500mg of Pom4p (pomegrante extract)
2000iu of Vitamin D
100 mcg Vitamin K2
500 mg of Magnesium Citrate
1mg of Melatonin
Glass of red wine (probably not a good idea considering my liver is also processing these other supplements).

[sambocyn]

I did not know Methylene Blue is available as a supplement. Source?. Does it have noticeable effect?Thanks.

apparently, you can get it from the local fish shop (in the US at least).