Gender detail addition to the profile
Infernity 18 Feb 2005
I was thinking about creating this poll to see if I am not the only one who thinks it is a good idea. If it seem to be, maybe it'll change the minds of those who has opted to hold off.
I think it would be better to have that possibility since I have found myself more than once embarrassed by being mistaken in some members gender [mellow] [wis]
Yours truthfully
~Infernity
Edited by infernity, 10 March 2005 - 07:17 PM.
Infernity 18 Feb 2005
Thanks
Yours
~Infernity
outlawpoet 19 Feb 2005
JMorgan 19 Feb 2005
I'd like to think that the members of this forum are above this kind of behavior. I know if anyone, member or otherwise, acts in a way that makes someone uncomfortable, they will not be welcome here much longer.Girls are much rarer in this part of the internet, and their presence often attracts undue and/or unwanted attention.
I understand your intentions in "protecting" the girls, but I'd like to point out that it was a girl who brought this question up in the first place. Frankly, I didn't even think about gender until now. I assumed, for whatever reason, that most of the members here are male, with a few exceptions.
I support the idea, as long as it's a field that someone can choose not to enter. More detailed information in everyone's profiles wouldn't hurt.
Infernity 19 Feb 2005
I understand your position, but imagine yourself you are talking with someone about some member and you are performing him as male/female, and you are so sure, till the one your talking with corrects you. Won't you feel embarrassed? That makes you think if you already referred to that member as the opposite to what you have thought before.
Moreover, everyone can choose if to fill it in or not. As no one is forced to fill in your date of birth, location etcetera- so about the gender.
Thanks Joel .
Yours truthfully
~Infernity
Edited by infernity, 25 April 2005 - 08:46 PM.
randolfe 19 Feb 2005
There are not large numbers of transgendered people. They do not fit our neat and tidy definitions of "male" and "female". Many don't fit anyone's definition of heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. In fact, they disown all three labels and simply like to consider themselves transgendered.
For that reason, some toilets in NYC's large gay community center are labeled
"All Genders". I think it would be appropriate for Imminst to recognize their existence by listing "transgendered" as an option.
outlawpoet 20 Feb 2005
Excuse an old cypherpunk's kneejerk reaction. I suppose I'm still living where the ideal of an online community is a place where one can communicate with as little of the incidental details of social convention and culture getting in the way. I see the best communities, (perhaps too sparsely) as places where you relate solely in the realm of ideas and mind, with +The Mentor+'s famous dictum "We exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias" dominating the day.
That's not everyone's ideal. Friendster, blogs, and numerous personals sites have proven that people want to export the details and context of their lives into the internet. They like that complication. But it's important to note, I think, that the more we personalize, the more likely it is that someone will react to the details of who you are, not what you're saying. That may be a benefit. I don't know.
My land of blank psuedonyms trading in scrubbed pure information sounds pretty sterile, I suppose. I've never really seen it in practice. But trading in all the remove and control and partial anonymity of the internet seems reckless. Not only for the gendered, but for anyone who has facts about them that make people react differently. For the longest time I was very young, too young to be taken seriously by anyone, in anything that mattered, at least. I spent a lot of time mastering how to sound adult, how to deflect questions of self. Just to get my ideas across. I don't think anyone should have to do that. Not that it was a great sacrifice on my part, but it seemed... dishonest. Even though it was their own prejudice I was protecting people from.
JMorgan 20 Feb 2005
"Age/Sex/Location"... I bet if I said I was a girl he would have tried to hit on me. I probably would have even beaten him cuz he'd be distracted and try to go easy on me.
susmariosep 20 Feb 2005
I have this habit of honoring women, because women are my mothers, my grandmothers, my aunts, my sisters, and my wife is a woman; some of my best friends are women, and they seem to be better friends than guys.
Women are the mothers of mankind. They give birth to men, give them suckle, nurse them when ill, bring them up to be self-sufficient people, give them comfort when sad, encourage them, make a home and raise a family for men, attend to their last hours, and remember them in death.
I tend to show more respect to a woman poster.
Susma
reason 21 Feb 2005
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Infernity 21 Feb 2005
Well let me disagree on this...some of my best friends are women, and they seem to be better friends than guys
I find boys can be much more loyal as friends than girls.
Reason and Laz,
Well of course it will be optional, you cannot force someone to fill in any detail (well you can, heh but that wasn't my intent).
Yours truthfully
~Infernity
eternaltraveler 22 Feb 2005
Still, I wouldn't have any problem with an optional field either.
Infernity 22 Feb 2005
Yours
~Infernity
Infernity 23 Feb 2005
Dude, it happend to me once! (only once I needed to use it in public, but more than once when I didn't recognized).
That's embarrassing!
Hehe I can name him/her as "it" lol [g:)] just kidding. Heh, I still think it'd be a good idea to add a place to fill in the gender in the profile.
Yours
~Infernity
Infernity 18 Mar 2005
I suppose it is the time for the addition...
Yours truthfully
~Infernity
caliban 18 Mar 2005
Please consider carefully whether your suggestions are actually technically feasible and easy to implement.
If you have a new idea it is a good idea to present it as a poll, so people can share their views easily.
However, please be aware that the outcome of any poll is only an indicator of "public opinion".
Ultimately, the decision whether and how the Institute is presented is solely up to Full Members and the Institute leadership acting on their behalf.
Infernity 18 Mar 2005
I think this community has enough wisdom to not go for stupid decisions...
I believe Bruce wouldn't try and change it if it was against his opinion. I suppose he changed his mind. (didn't you Bruce?)
Also,
, caliban dear, life's not an easy thing. It is full of challenges. Our main goal for case you didn't notice is not easy, quite hard and challenging...technically feasible and easy to implement
Satisfaction is much greater after a successfully complement of a harder challenge.
Yours
~Infernity
armrha 21 Mar 2005
Perhaps the general etiqiuette guideline should be "Don't be offended if someone calls you he/she if you didn't specify." Then you could feel free to have a field day with your gender pronouns and no one will mind.
armrha 21 Mar 2005
I doubt he changed his mind, but no, I'm certain he wouldn't go against public opinion. But then again, not even a majority of the imminst membership voted on this topic, so we still have most of our member's opinions unaccounted for...Well caliban, I believe we should act according to the best as for the notion of the public opinion, don't you think?
I think this community has enough wisdom to not go for stupid decisions...
I believe Bruce wouldn't try and change it if it was against his opinion. I suppose he changed his mind. (didn't you Bruce?)
I believe Caliban was just emphasizing the amount of effort that might be needed to add a gender option could possibly be greater then the potential value gained by having it, even if many people wanted it. For a rather extreme example, picture a universe where some given option would take Bruce longer to implement then it would take him to personally cure aging. Certainly at that point, no one would say he was obligated to violate the Imminst mission just to satisfy the opinion, as the gender option would be coming at too high of a price.Also, , caliban dear, life's not an easy thing. It is full of challenges. Our main goal for case you didn't notice is not easy, quite hard and challenging...
Satisfaction is much greater after a successfully complement of a harder challenge.
This is probably not the case here, but it's just something to think about. Just because something is challenging is no reason to do it. It has to be challenging and equally rewarding or you are wasting your time.
I hope you did not offend Caliban...
Infernity 21 Mar 2005
Well (hmmm first congratulations for the Lifetime membership!!), but that's not hurting is it? It's not like you have to fill it in... I won't be hurt if someone will think I am a male (heh as already happened), but I wouldn't like to hurt others who might be offended.
I still hold on that Bruce did change his mind. perhaps ask him...
Heehee
Yours truthfully
~Infernity
armrha 25 Apr 2005
Infernity 25 Apr 2005
Armrha, I think that precisely because that's an immortality institute- it won't cause any problem. People will not lose their heads and are not here for that... People who seek for affairs won't find it here.
Yours truthfully
~Infernity