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#181 Raptor87

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:32 AM

So it could be environmental things like phtalates (plastic softeners) the problem is you cannot really avoid that:

In your car there is a lot more plastic compared to 1987 and that stuff evaporates in the air and so on or gets in your body when you touch it.

Then there could be plastic bottles that werent wide spread in 87 and also not everbody had personal computers.

I dont know if that electronic smell is really good for you its something that gets released in the air when the platines get warm.

 

Finally it could be something we dont know about at all.

 

View on Vimeo.

 

It's scary! 



#182 machete234

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:08 PM

I might have seen this or something very similar that is about plastic in general and also about bisphenol etc.

The documentary also said that there is no part in the ozean where you cannot "harvest" shreds of plastic with a net thats how polluted it is.



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#183 YOLF

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 05:10 PM

A question for you Luma:

 

I try to get a dance/date with every girl I'm attracted to somewhere... I can tolerate the rejection... then I get an advance from a girl I'm not interested in... what do I do? Sometimes it's an "assisted advance" with the help of someone I might have tried to get a date/dance with, but either way I already know the one I'm interested in said no... How do I handle this situation? How am I to understand the assisted advance? Is the short dance supposed to be an incentive to start a relationship with her friend? I don't really understand it and it comes off to me as being a sort of bribe. Maybe you can explain? 

 



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 06:22 PM

 

So it could be environmental things like phtalates (plastic softeners) the problem is you cannot really avoid that:

In your car there is a lot more plastic compared to 1987 and that stuff evaporates in the air and so on or gets in your body when you touch it.

Then there could be plastic bottles that werent wide spread in 87 and also not everbody had personal computers.

I dont know if that electronic smell is really good for you its something that gets released in the air when the platines get warm.

 

Finally it could be something we dont know about at all.

 

View on Vimeo.

 

It's scary! 

 

You're right. We should be rioting in the streets and demanding a revolution in chemical safety studies. This needs to grind to a halt regardless of the consequences. It can't be that anyone who isn't somehow immune to these chemicals is removed from the gene pool and this is another example of the need for mass cryonics. How many people will need new lives due to this? 



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 09:23 PM

 

I was born in the early sixties. Males my age still eagerly pursued females. Their sex drives were higher than males now. Pornography was not widespread. Prostitution and strip clubs were not common and were not embraced by younger people. The sexual revolution was in progress. Presented with too many options, males began behaving less well but most people still formed relationships. Males wanted actual girlfriends, not pornography.

 

It's scary! 

What an epic full cycle!

 

From the ignorant self-overestimation of the sixties to the disillusionment of our own self-destruction.


 

 


 


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#186 oneshot2shots

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:55 AM

I am not sure I would say I had it bad - there were bad (sometimes extremely so) times but ultimately I am not in such a bad situation (I have a two very valuable masters, a highly coveted job with an income significantly above the average of my peer group, I have decent looks, am in not too bad - although it certainly could be better - shape and while I suck at the romantic side of life, I managed to have a multi-year live-in relationship with my ex, at least)

My realizations? I would say conventional game advice is spot on, the times where I had not been all that interested I very naturally was the aloof guy game wants to project and it most certainly works (my ex still mentioned years into that relationship that it got to her I ignored her [1] one of the first days we had met and that it made her wonder). So definitely read the game stuff but try to stay away from the more misogynistic parts of it - most guys are jaded enough as they are, no need to get worse in that regard. Also, keep it to yourself, society overall largely is not ready to hear about it - it's about as un-pc as it gets (though one play interesting games if ultimately usually pretty fruitless by discussing game concepts with girls).

As for managing anxiety on dates, that usually has not been all that big an issue for me (on the few dates I actually was on, I never felt particularly anxious, even if things did not go all that well). I am not all that bad in a 1 on 1 setting - if I can get to it. If I had to come with a regime to treat anxiety on dates, I would probably recommend an SSRI (at least for me they move my mindset closer to outcome independence which is really what you need to have) with the qualification that you should really try and figure out how strong the sexual side effects are for you, otherwise a date that was going very well might get awkward very quickly. However, in my experience, SSRIs are not all the same and no two people respond to them in the exact same way (for example, Cymbalta, technically an SNRI, was worst on both ED and middle of the line on anorgasmia, Effexor mainly gave me mainly strong anorgasmia, Escitalopram lowers my sex drive the most and Prozac, ironically, so far has the least side effects of all).

Ultimately, I KNOW I need to find a way to get over my approach anxiety, first and foremost (its kind of obvious, too, that if you fail at the beginning of the funnel, all other skills are totally useless). For me, SSRI/SNRIs do precious little in that area (neither does alcohol, BTW) and I have yet to convince my shrink to let me dabble in dopaminergics (trying cocaine would definitely be easier and while I have in principle no issue with people doing it, I am seriously too afraid that I would like it way too much - it's nasty, highly addictive stuff and somewhat of a legal liability [2]). Additionally, in the medium term I will need to move to a job that actually leaves me time for meeting girls and going on dates...

Most of the remaining stuff I realized is somewhat specific to my personal situation. I have a relatively low sex drive overall (with some occasional spikes) which is both a boon and a bane. It's a boon because it makes the whole situation less painful but that equivalently means there is less chance that I go and fix the thing. It also ultimately is not celibacy that gets to me (if it did, prostitution is legal where I live - still I have about 0 interest in it) but lack of intimacy. What I will say as for general points: Lack of intimacy CAN be medicated away (at least in the medium term) but it's likely to eventually blow up in your face and most likely in a situation where you facing problems in other areas of life, too.

Additionally, there is a big topic about confidence in my own abilities plus something related to the way my brain operates. I am an off the chart T in MBTI and on the far right of the IQ scale, so I am usually very confident in intellectual pursuits but tend to be bad at emotional stuff - which dating and relationships ultimately are all about. I also have an intensely one track mind: I can do ONE thing and ONLY ONE thing at a time - it's so bad that I can sit in a conversation and listen to the content but totally miss body language or watch body language and totally miss the content (I have a feeling that I am on the spectrum but I can't be bothered to get tested, it's not like it can actually be treated anyhow)... Focused on the right task and in the right mood, the extreme single mindedness can yield astonishing results, focused on the wrong thing, it tends to generate chaos, obsessions and depression.

[1] In reality, I flat out had not seen her that day
[2] It's unlikely that one would get into serious trouble for personal consumption in Switzerland - fines, sure but prison is not really a big risk

 

Bang on the money. Know this is old but Isochroma recommended tianeptide on another forum, and it would make sense as it stops the internal chatters. Women like guys who don't think too much, my brain is slinging thoughts like a gatling gun. Not at all healthy. I also have low libido/testoserone and want intimacy aswell as sex, definitely a non-masculine trait. I can more or less out-talk and out=think all my peers in most situations, but when it comes to drinks and then a nightclub the men are separated from the boys. Something is missing, and it damn needs medicating in some form. Exposure won't work for this ailment, its something deeper.

 

1)Society needs to accept that women and men are different. They are not equal. That's why there are  different standards. So there should be no whining about why there is a bigger onus on men. Reality has to be accepted. Men are better at logic women are better multi-taskers. and the sooner everybody grows up and accepts these facts the better.(Its a joke that the top female tennis players and the top males get the same salaries though women play less sets - society trying to redress a perceived imbalance).  Isin't it ridiculous that when I jump out the window gravity pulls me down?? Its such a double standard I never get to pull it down to earth. This is the way the world works, thus leading to 

 

2) Game - Women don't actually want to go down the dinner date route. They just want to be taken. They will pick up on your confidence/positive aggression if you have it, its the prime factor.The dinner date thing of the sixties is nice and quaint. but it is only there because that was how society said women should behave in these matters, its not what they actually want. A sixties gal will still be attracted with positive aggression because it has nothing to do with society and everything to do with evolution,(which doesen't give a rats about our opinion on the subject, like gravity, it's just there). It works and its logical if your looking for sex but if your looking for a long term investment you need to have a different approach. There's nothing wrong with having solid game in the toolbox, and its not "cheating" or "deceiving" women any more than putting on make-up is cheating as it gives guys a false impression of what a girl looks like.  This is the way the game works, get good at the game, period. 

 

3)Before I get banned off the forum for suggesting it, nothing supplies you with positive aggression more than cocaine. Take it 3 or 4 times in the club to get your aggression.(then ditch it) You'll pull a couple of babes, become competent thus increasing confidence. Society dictates that you can use this drug(alcohol) which is socially acceptable  but not this one(cocaine). I think alcohol is worse, I always wondered why I got severely depressed after it. It binds my guts together, which is I believe the serotonin center.(Pure conjecture). 

 

4)"You don't need a pill", Of course you do, everyone does. I was once on the all things natural camp, before I realized that we are all bags of chemicals. Good mood is a release of neurotransmitters. The same as love, as it serves an evolutionary purpose(the  period of affections lasts for 9 months, then after this is deep "love" for 11 approx).  So there is nothing wrong with manipulating these. The confident guy in class?? He just had more neuros. Who cares where they came from the end result is the same. When I'm on phenibut(amazing imo) the same problems that were freaking me out are now insignificant. My perception and therefore reality changed, with the simple increase of a neurotransmitter. Most people's magic pill is alcohol. The magic doesen't do it for me, so I go to alternatives. The real you is the person at his/her absolute best without the reptilian system interfering. Give a girl a glimpse of it every few months and everything's fine, its quite a lasting image.  

 

As an aside try turning that brain of yours to meditation, could yield interesting results. Overthinking is the worst disease of the 20th century and one I also suffer from  quite badly. 


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#187 chris106

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 12:17 PM

All nice and well in theory. And I actually do agee with the whole evolutional aspect and sympathize with your rational view of human behaviour and brainchemistry.

BUT - if you serioulsy think that phenibut is practical even on occasional use I don't understand how you came to this conclusion. I'm not even talking about the "cheating" aspect - from a moral standpoint I couldn't care less about drug use - if something gives you an advantage (or rather pulls you out of a disadvantage) - go for it!

But as much as phenibut boosts your confidence and makes you temporarely carefree, it WILL fuck up your neurotransmitters (namely GABA) in the long term and give you horrible withdrawl symptoms for a long time. This will happen if you even slightly overdo it and take it one too many times, as many users on this and other forums can attest to.

Now, maybe you are talking about occasional use, as in a few times a month, or maybe twice a week - but is even that sustainable in the long run for picking up girls and gaining confidence? If you hook up with a girl and maybe a relationship developes, boosting confidence and "being the best I can be" even twice a week probably won't suffice - and you will probably have to do it more regularly and thus it will get harder to plan around it.

I found the last thing you said very interesting:

 

"Give a girl a glimpse of it every few months and everything's fine, its quite a lasting image."

While I get what you mean, I just don't see how this is actually applicable in real life ,or how I would actually practically apply this - would you maybe go into more detail on that?
Do you mean impressing a girl every few months on drugs will be enough to keep my own self esteem afloat and help me gain confidnce in the long run?
Or do you mean it will actually be enough to make the girl think I'm that outgoing kind of guy, even though most of the remaining time I'm not?

(I'm not being sarcastic here, even though it may read like it - those are sincere questions)


Edited by chris106, 29 June 2014 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 05:51 PM

Here´s another article about decreasing libido. 

 

http://www.dailymail...ion-toxins.html



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:50 PM

I think drugs are ok as a form to get that positive aggression(They are the only way). So for picking up girls in a club. everyone does it with alcohol anyway, the posion of choice. When guys do this a few times confidence increases, they get good at "the game". There are people with severe approach anxiety, who need a boost to radically shift their perception, and they simply need supplementation in some form. Simple exposure is not enough, unless you can go out sober for a month straight and endure considerable humiliation while consciously focusing on practicing and getting better. Most can't. (I sure as hell can't). Its just fast-tracking game, people can get those positive references quicker.

 

I'm going to have to re-access phenibut. There was a thread on this forum about a guy who took it for 2 years straight 2 grams with no side-effects. I have noticed zero side effects or withdrawals, and am a great believer in individual biochemistry. It could just work for certain individuals. It's the way people are after Phenibut which is attractive to women. Chilled, relaxed, unstressed.The way everyone should be, hakuna matata.  No worries.  I'm contemplating a 4 day 2 gram phen experiement to verify the results.

 

Sustainable, no. Are there better alternatives? I'm not sure.I have reached god mode a couple of times without drugs. One was after sleep where I can only imagine a significant amount of psychological shit got solved in dreamville. The other time after 5 aside followed by a fruit smoothie. (Tried to reproduce exactly no luck).Primarily I meant the second option, once in a while should be enough, even if the remaining time your not. However it can't be too bad for self-esteem either. Again its a deadly dance I can't advise on and have no answers for. At least if you were to do it twice a week you may break the negative thought cycle to some extent. i don't have an addictive personality so maybe its easier for me to do this than the majority.

 

Decreasing libido is pretty scary. Personally I'm going to have to get my T levels tested. It could be from practically anything, but mobiles in guys pockets could be a possibility.  

 

 

 






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