my stack
anarke848 28 Mar 2006
Huperzine A 100 mcg 2xday
Vinpocetine 20 mg
Piracetam 1.7 mg 1x morning then .8 mg 1x night
Aniracetam 500 mg 2xday
Pyritinol 400 mg 1xday
Picamilon 100 mg 2xday
Alpha GPC 600 mg 2xday
ALCAR 500 mg 2xday
Alpha-Lipoic Acid 150 mg 2xday
L-Glutamine 5 g, every day or two
Multivitamin with B-complex
Glucosamine 1.5 g 1xday
Edited by anarke848, 28 March 2006 - 09:49 PM.
orangish 28 Mar 2006
ajnast4r 28 Mar 2006
you are taking WAY too much crap for a healthy 18 year old.
anarke848 28 Mar 2006
mitkat 28 Mar 2006
You should really try to take it one at a time...it seems tempting to try them all at once, but it's important for you to do not introduce that much to your brain at once - you may recieve unpleasant effects.
What multi are you going to take?
anarke848 28 Mar 2006
I've been using glucosamine since I was 16 because it helps in working out and I used to do brazilian jiujitsu which works your joints a lot and it made my joints ridiculously stronger, plus I've broken a lot of bones so I thought it might offset potential arthritis in the future, anyways its a great drug.
And I read huperzine is very safe, is it really a big problem to take it right now?
As far as a multi I'm just using a regular store multi, one-a-day, is this not good enough?
Also, a while ago before I found this site I ran on some nootropics for a few months which I started all at once and actually included more individual drugs than this list, and I didn't have any noticeable problems.
Guest_da_sense_* 28 Mar 2006
FunkOdyssey 28 Mar 2006
ajnast4r 28 Mar 2006
how are your sleep patterns? sleep has a huge effect on cognative function, especially at 18.
http://news.google.c...1801.html&hl=en
anarke848 28 Mar 2006
REGIMEN 28 Mar 2006
Try using 200-300mg of pyritinol at a time; you may get the same effects...save some money. (if pre-capped, well, unscrew the cap and pour it in your water). Quit coffee while you're at it with this stuff.
That's also a little more than usual for daily aniracetam usage. You can get enough effect from about 350mg 2x/daily. (basically, whatever you can stuff into one 00-size cap is ~ to 350mg)
Same goes for @GPC. Try 150-300mg 2x/daily.
I would go in this order for adding to your regimen with about 2 weeks experience with each before moving on to the next:
1)MultiV (look around in the Health forums for a good 1or2-a-day)
2)Vinpo
3)Alpha
4)Pira-
5)Anira-
6)Pyritinol
[Drink plenty of water.]
[Eat properly as your multi alone cannot hold you up.]
[DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL or smoke with any of the following in your system(4-6hrs after taking): picamilon, vinpocetine, huperzine, pyritinol, ALCAR]
[Consider taking GLA or FishOil with your Aniracetam.]
anarke848 28 Mar 2006
huperzine, vinpocetine, AND picamilon? You're using @GPC so cut the huperzine; unless you eat 1-2 eggs a day where you could foreseeably use huperzine instead with no @GPC. Cut the picamilon and see how vinpo works for you.
-but doesnt huperzine have a lot more positive effects than just gpc?
-also what is gla short for
anyways thanks for the advice, great post
FunkOdyssey 29 Mar 2006
However, there are no long-term safety studies, and something just "feels" dangerous about long-term AChE inhibition at a young age. Proceed at your own risk (I wouldn't recommend it).Zhongguo Yao Li Xue Bao. 1999 Jul;20(7):601-3. Related Articles, Links
Huperzine-A capsules enhance memory and learning performance in 34 pairs of matched adolescent students.
Sun QQ, Xu SS, Pan JL, Guo HM, Cao WQ.
Xiaoshan Mental Hospital, Zhejiang, China.
AIM: To study the efficacy of huperzine-A capsules (Hup) on memory and learning performance of adolescent students. METHODS: Using double-blind and matched pair method, 34 pairs of junior middle school students complaining of memory inadequacy were divided into two groups by normal psychological health inventory (PHI), similar memory quotient (MQ), same sex and class. The Hup group was administrated orally 2 capsules of Hup (each contains Hup 50 micrograms) b.i.d., and the placebo group was given 2 capsules of placebo (starch and lactose inside) b.i.d. for 4 wk. RESULTS: At the end of trial, the Hup group's MQ (115 +/- 6) was more than that of the placebo group (104 +/- 9, P < 0.01), and the scores of Chinese language lesson in the Hup group were elevated markedly too. CONCLUSION: The Hup capsules enhance the memory and learning performance of adolescent students.
Publication Types:
* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial
PMID: 10678121 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
gcurrie 30 Mar 2006
Huperzine A 100 mcg 2xday
Vinpocetine 20 mg
Piracetam 1.7 mg 1x morning then .8 mg 1x night
Aniracetam 500 mg 2xday
Pyritinol 400 mg 1xday
Picamilon 100 mg 2xday
Alpha GPC 600 mg 2xday
ALCAR 500 mg 2xday
Alpha-Lipoic Acid 150 mg 2xday
L-Glutamine 5 g, every day or two
Multivitamin with B-complex
Glucosamine 1.5 g 1xday
Huperzine - too much IMO. I'm 48, and I take 100 mcg total per day.
Vinpocetine appears to be remarkably safe in all the research I've seen, so that's OK.
Why take two racetams? Unless you can tell the difference between them (many cannot), you are just throwing money away - piracetam is FAR cheaper and more thoroughly researched.
Pyritinol - if you have a specific reason for this , OK - but it's not a general-purpose nootropic.
Picamilon - drop it and stick with vinpocetine.
Alpha GPC looks way high - cut it in half.
BUT...
You are doing yourself a disservice in two ways:
1) You will not know which of these dozen substances have any effect on you. As funk said - you may be wasting money on supps that have no (or negative) effects.
2) The dose range for some of these appears to be an inverted U. Meaning that at some point, the good effect may reverse. Additionally, some of these may combine in unforeseen ways. And your neurochemistry is somewhat unique so that MY dose may not be YOUR dose.
This is why so many here (and elsewhere) counsel people like you to take it slow, one at a time. When you find the right dosages and combination, it will likely be worth the time spent.
Shepard 30 Mar 2006
1. Good multivitamin/mineral/etc. (You'll see Ortho-Core pimped a lot here.)
2. EFAs (Depends on your diet what you should supplement, but fish/flax is kind of a given.)
3. There are plenty of other supplements that I would put ahead of nootropics.
4. Vinpocetine
5. Gingko Biloba
6. Piracetam/Choline donor/Pyritinol/etc.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
Edited by shepard, 30 March 2006 - 08:04 AM.