Body Building
Iain 23 Nov 2008
Edited by Iain, 23 November 2008 - 05:16 PM.
RighteousReason 23 Nov 2008
Best deal anywhere...So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
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RighteousReason 23 Nov 2008
mustardseed41 23 Nov 2008
So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
I'd drop the NOX-CG3 (over hyped product IMO) cause you will already will be taking creatine. Using said products (minus steroids) will enhance health not be a detriment.
Shepard 23 Nov 2008
Keep the creatine and protein shakes. Don't worry about anything else except some coffee when needed.
RighteousReason 23 Nov 2008
Is there anything detrimental to body building about multivitamins?
Shepard 24 Nov 2008
Coffee?
Nothing special, just a source of caffeine that is less easily abused than other stimulants.
Is there anything detrimental to body building about multivitamins?
No, I don't think they are terribly important one way or the other for bodybuilding. Endurance athletes probably need them more than other types of athletes, though.
Edited by shepard, 24 November 2008 - 12:22 AM.
edward 24 Nov 2008
Ah, to be 17 again. If only I knew then what I know now.....I coulda been a contender.
Lol, but so true
edward 24 Nov 2008
So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
I'm not going to begin to advise someone on bodybuilding supplements especially a 17 year old other than at your age stick with the basics and don't mess with your hormones or CNS stimulants. Seriously anything that has any effects on hormones or stimulates the CNS just DONT DO IT any time soon and only consider doing it later after an education or under the direction of a physician... Ok I have done my public service.
Iain 24 Nov 2008
Best deal anywhere...So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
OPTIMUM NUTRITION - 100 % Whey Protein Gold 10/lb
$67.99
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Actually, at my Meijer, you get one pound of Soy/Whey Protein for $11.99. Sounds like a rip, but at 25g of Protein per serving, it's a REALLY good deal. Better deal than the 2LBS thing of Optimum Protein I got. *Reads your post more carefully* 10LBS?! Holy crap. I thought 5. That is a really good deal.
Oh, and with the Nox-CG3... It's not for the Creatine, I'm just taking it for the energy on Work-Out days. Kind of like a cheap alternative to NO-Xplode. So what do you guys bench? I'm at about 140... Pretty sad, I know (Especially seeing as I weigh 160, lol.) but it's actually a 68% increase from this time last year... I'm too ashamed to type that one, lol.
When you think about it, it's kind of ironic in that the nerdier people like me (Def not a jock, I'm starting to look like one though, xD), knows way more about Weight Lifting (especially supps) than the huge kids. I mean, almost everyone at my school will tell you (With a straight face...) that after you stop taking Creatine, muscle tissue gained from taking it will actually disintegrate.
Iain 24 Nov 2008
So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
I'm not going to begin to advise someone on bodybuilding supplements especially a 17 year old other than at your age stick with the basics and don't mess with your hormones or CNS stimulants. Seriously anything that has any effects on hormones or stimulates the CNS just DONT DO IT any time soon and only consider doing it later after an education or under the direction of a physician... Ok I have done my public service.
Haha, thanks man. I know that ain't the stuff you wanna be messin' with. Patience is the best thing, and the ability to reflect on how far you've come and how far you're going is even better... If only that came in pill form, lol.
RighteousReason 24 Nov 2008
When I was about 16 I maxed out at 165 in gym class. I haven't tried in a while but I think I could do at least 180 or 190 now when not tired out at all. I'm 21 nowBest deal anywhere...So how does Body Building fit into longevity? How about the supplements that a lot of people take for Body Building - i.e. NOX-CG3 (or similar energy enhancing substances?), Creating, Protein (Obviously not 'bad'.), multivitamins, steroids, ect... I myself will begin a regimen of Creatine, Protein, NOX-CG3, and multivitamins... But are using those thing a detriment to my longevity, at least in a serious way? I just turned 17, so my living to see indefinite life extension is basically guarenteed, but I still wonder you know? So! Who else is into weight lifting, power lifting, body building, ect?
OPTIMUM NUTRITION - 100 % Whey Protein Gold 10/lb
$67.99
http://www.vitaglo.c...00whey10lb.html
Actually, at my Meijer, you get one pound of Soy/Whey Protein for $11.99. Sounds like a rip, but at 25g of Protein per serving, it's a REALLY good deal. Better deal than the 2LBS thing of Optimum Protein I got. *Reads your post more carefully* 10LBS?! Holy crap. I thought 5. That is a really good deal.
Oh, and with the Nox-CG3... It's not for the Creatine, I'm just taking it for the energy on Work-Out days. Kind of like a cheap alternative to NO-Xplode. So what do you guys bench? I'm at about 140... Pretty sad, I know (Especially seeing as I weigh 160, lol.) but it's actually a 68% increase from this time last year... I'm too ashamed to type that one, lol.
When you think about it, it's kind of ironic in that the nerdier people like me (Def not a jock, I'm starting to look like one though, xD), knows way more about Weight Lifting (especially supps) than the huge kids. I mean, almost everyone at my school will tell you (With a straight face...) that after you stop taking Creatine, muscle tissue gained from taking it will actually disintegrate.
just started working out again a month or two ago
Edited by Savage, 24 November 2008 - 02:54 AM.
Iain 24 Nov 2008
When I was about 16 I maxed out at 165 in gym class. I haven't tried in a while but I think I could do at least 180 or 190 now when not tired out at all. I'm 21 now
just started working out again a month or two ago
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I just keep thinkin' about how sweet I'll be by the time summer starts, lol. Given how much I've changed for the better, man, I'll have to beat the ladies off me with a stick, xD.
mustardseed41 24 Nov 2008
Stick to whey, creatine, multi.
At your age stick to the basics like squats, bench, chins, deadlifts (trap bar if you can get one). Consitently add small amounts of iron to your
lifts. Fractional plates will help keep the progress rolling. Avoid overtraining. Keep aerobics to a minimum if interested in mass.
Consider getting a pair of olympic rings. I sure wish I had a pair when I was your age. http://gymnasticbodi...ic.php?f=10&t=7
RighteousReason 24 Nov 2008
Shepard 24 Nov 2008
So what do you guys bench? I'm at about 140... Pretty sad, I know (Especially seeing as I weigh 160, lol.) but it's actually a 68% increase from this time last year... I'm too ashamed to type that one, lol.
The correct question is "What do you guys clean and jerk?".
sentinel 24 Nov 2008
So what do you guys bench? I'm at about 140... Pretty sad, I know (Especially seeing as I weigh 160, lol.) but it's actually a 68% increase from this time last year... I'm too ashamed to type that one, lol.
The correct question is "What do you guys clean and jerk?".
You're so right! So Shepard, what do you clean and jerk?
Shepard 24 Nov 2008
You're so right! So Shepard, what do you clean and jerk?
And the answer is always "Not enough".
RighteousReason 24 Nov 2008
35 pushups
25 x 50lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
12 x 135 bench press
20 x 25lbs one arm free curl (10/arm)
repeat 12 times
25 x 30lbs nose to floor tricep superset
25 x 30lbs over the head rope tricep superset
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
repeat 3 times
(or something like that...)
That's what I call Savage Volume Training
Edited by Savage, 24 November 2008 - 11:53 PM.
sentinel 25 Nov 2008
Ha! So much for calling you outYou're so right! So Shepard, what do you clean and jerk?
And the answer is always "Not enough".
edward 25 Nov 2008
tonight i did...
35 pushups
25 x 50lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
12 x 135 bench press
20 x 25lbs one arm free curl (10/arm)
repeat 12 times
25 x 30lbs nose to floor tricep superset
25 x 30lbs over the head rope tricep superset
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
repeat 3 times
(or something like that...)
That's what I call Savage Volume Training
Dude, "bro", your reps are too high and your weights are to low. All bodybuilding.com joking aside, I will speak from personal experience and what I have read scientifically on the subject: using as many multi-joint lifts as possible do -> low reps, heavy weight combined with intensity increasing techniques like drop sets and super sets.... get in the gym bust ass and then get out quick.
Edited by edward, 25 November 2008 - 09:59 PM.
RighteousReason 25 Nov 2008
Took me about an hour.tonight i did...
35 pushups
25 x 50lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
15 x 135 bench press
15 x 60lbs two arm machine curl
12 x 135 bench press
20 x 25lbs one arm free curl (10/arm)
repeat 12 times
25 x 30lbs nose to floor tricep superset
25 x 30lbs over the head rope tricep superset
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
25 x 15lbs one arm free static curl
repeat 3 times
(or something like that...)
That's what I call Savage Volume Training
Dude, "bro", your reps are too high and your weights are to low. All bodybuilding.com joking aside, I will speak from personal experience and what I have read scientifically on the subject: using as many multi-joint lifts as possible do -> low reps, heavy weight combined with intensity increasing techniques like drop sets and super sets.... get in the gym bust ass and then get out quick.
I thought high reps with low weight was good for size, low reps high weight better for strength
Shepard 25 Nov 2008
Shepard 25 Nov 2008
Ok... aim for 4-8 reps then. hm
It depends, there is a time and place for everything in training.
See this post for a nice table from Supertraining:
http://www.imminst.o...&...st&p=236846
But even this isn't dogmatic, there are grey areas between the categories.
RighteousReason 25 Nov 2008
QUOTE (zoolander @ 30-Apr 2008, 02:53 AM)
1. General prep phase (4-6 weeks)
2. Hypertrophy (12 weeks): example would be GVT or something high volume with minimal rest between sets
3. Strength (12 weeks): 6-12 rep range with 3 minutes rest between sets
4. Power (12 weeks): 2-4 rep range with 5-7 minutes between sets
5. Peak phase (competitive) or Rest phase: 50% 1-RM (i.e light/ maintenence program): (4-6 weeks)
Variable.........Strength..........Power...........Hypertrophy........Endurance
Load (% of 1RM).....80-100...............70-100...............60-80......................... 40-60
Reps per set............1-5.....................1-5....................8-15...........................25-60
Sets per exercise.... 4-7....................3-5....................4-8.............................2-4
Rest between sets....2-6.................... 2-6...................2-5.............................1-2
Duration (secs/set)...5-10...................4-8..................20-60..........................80-150
Speed per red (%)...60-100...............90-100..............60-90.........................60-80
Sessions/week.........3-6.....................3-6...................5-7.............................8-14
well dude, I'm looking at hypertrophy, 8-15 reps per set... exactly what I have been doing. 60-80% of max, well 135 bench press, I couldn't double that so it's certainly better than 60%. I'm doing way more than 4-8 sets, but that can't be bad, right?
and I've spent about 2 months doing prep until recently so I think I'm actually nailing this program pretty precisely so far
maybe do better by doing something like...
15 x 135
15 x 135
12 x 145
12 x 145
10 x 155
10 x 155
8 x 165
8 x 165
or 5lb increases each round if necessary
Edited by Savage, 25 November 2008 - 11:30 PM.
Shepard 25 Nov 2008
well dude, I'm looking at hypertrophy, 8-15 reps per set... exactly what I have been doing. 60-80% of max, well 135 bench press, I couldn't double that so it's certainly better than 60%.
While I tend to think the 8-ish range is preferable to 15 for most hypertrophy work, anything is going to work fine for a beginner. And, as long as you make sure to keep adding weight whenever possible and eat enough, you'll probably do fine.
I'm doing way more than 4-8 sets, but that can't be bad, right?
If you're sacrificing load for volume, it wouldn't necessarily be bad, just not ideal. Also give it a few months and see how that much volume treats you. Some thrive on it, some don't.
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edward 26 Nov 2008
Personally I shoot for 8 reps, it usually means 5-9 reps to failure, then I drop 10-40 lbs depending on what exercise I am doing and do a few more reps to failure then drop some more weight and do the same. I only do 2 of these hell sets per exercise. Again I focus on multi joint exercises complimented with some single joint exercise to isolate specific muscles. My workouts never last more 45 min, usually only 30.
I work out each body part once or twice a week. I do a lot of high intensity interval aerobic training so I do not focus solely on weightlifting anymore. My weightlifting is based on the most bang for your buck concept.
Minimal volume high intensity workouts is the only way I have been able to build mass while keeping a low bodyfat and not overtraining without resorting to the typical bulk and cut bodybuilding diet training yo-yo which I don't think is too healthy
Edited by edward, 26 November 2008 - 12:14 AM.