What do you think about the prospects for...
brokenportal 12 Sep 2011
Do you think it can happen in our lifetimes?
If you're a supporter then how did you get into it?
saxxie 12 Sep 2011
Edited by saxxie, 12 September 2011 - 09:04 PM.
brokenportal 12 Sep 2011
immortalbeing 13 Sep 2011
Development of the species is a key step towards it.
Marios Kyriazis 13 Sep 2011
Whether it is 5 years away or not, which it could be, what if anything do you think could be done to help the process along? Do you think that we have to let the research run its course, or do you think we can bolster it and improve its chances for success somehow in any meaningful or significant way?
If we just let the research run its course and we sit back waiting for somebody else to come up with the solution, then we don't deserve an indefinite lifespan. We need to be active ourselves, and there many ways to do this. I don't mean just fundraising or taking a few vitamins, but perhaps advocacy, sharing of information and experience, purposeful goal-seeking behaviour, etc. For the rationale of this, see my article here:
http://hplusmagazine...e-global-brain/ .
Elusive 28 Sep 2011
fundamentally everything is made of energy and information
We are nearing that time where we will be writing our fundamental instructional information (DNA Code) using some form or frequency of energy
(Energy=Information)
The whole universe is made up of energy/information
I think the whole human drama is about creating experiences and releasing potential
Some people will enjoy this experience of ultimate health & vigor and others will leave the planet without even hearing about it. (African people could be the case in point)
So all the supplements i eat are a kind of information that interact with the another information i call my body and make changes, information has that ability to act upon other types of information and something new is created in the process, a new type of information.
I see health and disease as different types of information and we are gaining more awareness about how we can make information do things for us at the very fundamental level!
I got interested in this site because i am interested in these areas of information
Sociology
Psychology
Evolutionary Biology
Nutri-Genomics
Epigenetics
Particle/Astrophysics
Consciousness Studies
ZEN
All the best!
Droplet 30 Sep 2011
To help it along, I think that we really need publicity and supporting celebs would be excellent, as people copy them for some reason. As I said to Brokenportal a while back, "we need shepherds for the sheeple."
I got into this out of questioning and revisiting thoughts on a documentary I saw as a kid about trying to extend the lifespan/kids with progeria.
Edited by Droplet, 30 September 2011 - 03:43 PM.
goten574 03 Oct 2011
niner 04 Oct 2011
They don't understand the question. Instead, ask them if they would like to have arthritis, cancer, or heart disease. Ask them if they would like to have Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. They probably won't want to have any of these diseases, at least not today. Ask if they would like to have them in the future then. If they don't, then they support indefinite life extension, unless they just want to drop dead one day in an otherwise healthy state.I for one wish to live forever, or as long as I can. Does anyone share this view? I've asked friends/family before about this, a few said they don't want a longer lifespan which always confused me.
People often think that living longer means spending a longer time being decrepit and sickly. It really means spending a longer time being healthy, and a shorter time being sick.
Living 'forever' is a really foreign concept. No one alive really knows what that would be like. A lot of people say they want it. I just want to be healthy and happy until such time as I get hit by a meteorite or whatever inevitable accident eventually befalls me.
brokenportal 04 Oct 2011
If we just let the research run its course and we sit back waiting for somebody else to come up with the solution, then we don't deserve an indefinite lifespan. We need to be active ourselves, and there many ways to do this. I don't mean just fundraising or taking a few vitamins, but perhaps advocacy, sharing of information and experience, purposeful goal-seeking behaviour, etc. For the rationale of this, see my article here:
http://hplusmagazine...e-global-brain/ .
So you think that an all out effort to be a part of a growing collective push for indefinite life extension can make it happen faster?
One avenue that you think can take us there is through becoming a GB so that our cells will want to naturally keep themselves healthy longer?
"sustained, intentional effort to embed oneself in the GB and increase meaningful input of cognitive information of sufficient magnitude into one’s brain. This will cause epigenetic changes that will repair and maintain somatic cells, reducing their risk of age-related death."
That's an interesting avenue, I'm not sure I've ever thought about that before.
brokenportal 04 Oct 2011
Thanks for inviting me here. What i sense about this is that
fundamentally everything is made of energy and information
This reminds me of mrszeta's last link there. I'm not sure I fully understand or buy into that yet. What do you think about it?
Droplet 04 Oct 2011
I'm with you on that. Want life without the silly time limit nature currently puts on it.Living 'forever' is a really foreign concept. No one alive really knows what that would be like. A lot of people say they want it. I just want to be healthy and happy until such time as I get hit by a meteorite or whatever inevitable accident eventually befalls me.
Shannon Vyff 05 Oct 2011
drus 06 Oct 2011
brokenportal 06 Oct 2011
I agree with Shannon here. Physical immortality/indefinite lifespans are a long way off, if ever. Also, before any of that could or would ever be implemented, the entire human paradigm would need to change.
Why is it the case that they are, a long way off?
corb 06 Oct 2011
I disagree, we don't have to wait for anyone, we're already peaceful and humanitarian enough. Competition brews progress. I doubt we'll ever become a docile species void of conflict. Stagnation is way more dangerous than petty squabbling. And besides, in a society of people who can live for centuries, proxy governments are obsolete, we can eliminate a lot of the infighting if we remove the blind idealists from positions of power.I think that the world needs to develop to the point where we can consider the possibility at the moment every one is infighting so much that the resources are not allocated in a way that is going to make this happen.
Whether we can have the technology for indefinite lifespans in the coming 3 or 4 decades, I believe it's not out of the question, but i highly doubt it. We will definitely have some kind of life extension treatment based on what we know and already have at the moment like anti oxidants and stem cells in the coming decades but apart from that I really can't predict how fast the research in this field will progress.
I got into this when I was a kid. Very typical, it was a way for me to battle with my thanatophobia. I started out by getting information about it from my parent who are also somewhat optimist about it. When I entered my teens I started reading about it on the net.
Marios Kyriazis 08 Oct 2011
So you think that an all out effort to be a part of a growing collective push for indefinite life extension can make it happen faster?
One avenue that you think can take us there is through becoming a GB so that our cells will want to naturally keep themselves healthy longer?
"sustained, intentional effort to embed oneself in the GB and increase meaningful input of cognitive information of sufficient magnitude into one’s brain. This will cause epigenetic changes that will repair and maintain somatic cells, reducing their risk of age-related death."
That's an interesting avenue, I'm not sure I've ever thought about that before.
Yes it will.
Biology works 'from simple to complex' and anything that can assist this proggression is bound to result in a situation that is beneficial to the 'aims' of biology. If we try to improve our mental complexity and intellectual sophistication by, for example, collectively push for longer lifespans, then this will make indefinite life extension more likely (based on biological and natural laws, nothing weird).
RAFA 13 Oct 2011
pmcglothin 18 Nov 2011
Paul
Edited by pmcglothin, 18 November 2011 - 03:18 PM.
brokenportal 13 Jan 2012
RAFA, It might take 200 years, it might take 500, it might take 5 or 40. Any of those numbers could be right, you might be right, but the most accurate way to state how long it will take for it to happen, seems to be that the answer to whether or not this is going to happen gets here in direct proportion to the collective speed at which the world goes to get there. That is a part of the theme of what mrszeta is talking about there. Since we dont know when day X will be, but we do know that we can turn up the throttle or not based on the percentage of the world that gets on board after we inform the industrialized world, then it becomes imperative that we inform the world asap. Consider that if the culmination of our goal could get here in 24 years, but we only get 10% of the world that would help with this in on it, and that pushes it back to 240 years, then we just cost roughly ... calculating ... 13 billion+ people their lives.
Paul, thats right, you never know, it could very well happen in our lifetimes, and we certainly cant afford to not go and see if that is true. For those that are right on the borderline of being able to survive long enough or not, CR is probably going to prove to mean indefinite life, or death to them.
icyT 22 Feb 2012
I think it can happen, but it'll be hard and there'll be no guarantees that the possibility means we'll actually accomplish it in time.What do you think about the prospects for indefinite lifespans?
Do you think it can happen in our lifetimes?
If you're a supporter then how did you get into it?
I support the idea vocally although not yet financially. I don't remember well how I got into it, it was many years ago. Possibly reading on Wikipedia.
Droplet 23 Feb 2012
Supporting vocally is still some good support. By talking about it, you will raise awareness, which can only help.I think it can happen, but it'll be hard and there'll be no guarantees that the possibility means we'll actually accomplish it in time.
I support the idea vocally although not yet financially. I don't remember well how I got into it, it was many years ago. Possibly reading on Wikipedia.
jamesmr 27 Nov 2012
jamesmr 27 Nov 2012
gray.bot 30 Nov 2012
We are built as perfect machines. We are designed to live forever.
Living forever is a reality, but you are going to need 2 things:
1 - a pretty healthy body, so start being healthy and doing everything you can to improve your chances
2 - a buttload of money, so start making money and figuring out how to become a billionaire.
It will be the very healthy private billionaires who are the first to live forever, guaranteed.
Droplet 30 Nov 2012
This is precisely why we need more activism and efforts put into achieving indefinite lifespans as soon as possible. Sooner the technology exists, the sooner it will become affordable for the majority and not just a few billionaires. As we are all currently on limited lifespans, we need to try to ensure we are even around when the price drops low enough for us to afford it.They proved a long long time ago that you can keep a cell alive forever.
We are built as perfect machines. We are designed to live forever.
Living forever is a reality, but you are going to need 2 things:
1 - a pretty healthy body, so start being healthy and doing everything you can to improve your chances
2 - a buttload of money, so start making money and figuring out how to become a billionaire.
It will be the very healthy private billionaires who are the first to live forever, guaranteed.
Edited by cryonicsculture, 06 August 2014 - 05:58 PM.
shadowhawk 30 Nov 2012
Brokenportal: What do you think about the prospects for indefinite life spans?
I admire your commitment to IL (Indefinite Life) but while life can be extended through various methods, I get hung up on “Indefinite.” I would like to believe but there are too many reasons to list here, to not think we are dealing with un-reality.
Do you think it can happen in our lifetimes?
What I hope for is Life Extension, not Indefinite Life. Even if we extended life to 200 years, that is only a moment in time.
If you're a supporter then how did you get into it?
I came in here because of Derk Pearson and Sandy Shaw. I read their books on Life extension and later I studied and took supplements at Life Extension. I discovered this community in 2008 and joined. You don’t have to believe in indefinite life to support Longecity.
Anyway, thanks for all your work.
Edited by shadowhawk, 30 November 2012 - 10:40 PM.
gray.bot 30 Nov 2012
I admire your commitment to IL (Indefinite Life) but while life can be extended through various methods, I get hung up on “Indefinite.” I would like to believe but there are too many reasons to list here, to not think we are dealing with un-reality.
What I hope for is Life Extension, not Indefinite Life. Even if we extended life to 200 years, that is only a moment in time.
This is precisely why we need more activism and efforts put into achieving indefinite lifespans as soon as possible. Sooner the technology exists, the sooner it will become affordable for the majority and not just a few billionaires. As we are all currently on limited lifespans, we need to try to ensure we are even around when the price drops low enough for us to afford it.
Indefinite life is a reality.
Read the book 'live long enough to live forever'
Pretty much if you can make it to the point the technology exists then you will be able to be kept alive forever. BAM!
So you have thousands of years to live life totally afraid of getting in a car crash or dieing from an accident, because that will be the only thing that can take you out.
[This is precisely why we need more activism and efforts put into achieving indefinite lifespans as soon as possible. Sooner the technology exists, the sooner it will become affordable for the majority and not just a few billionaires. As we are all currently on limited lifespans, we need to try to ensure we are even around when the price drops low enough for us to afford it.
Things will be good when the technology is cheap enough for the masses, except the fact that we will experience severe over population of the planet. I'm betting on the healthy-billionaire-becomes-world-dictator scenario
Hint: Be my friend now and I'll give you a country and 1000 concubines as a gift. Annoy me and I'll put you in a coal mine (plus I'll extend you life forever so you will be working in the coal mine forever, muhahahaha)
Thomas Cahir 02 Feb 2013
Think of how much knowledge / experience is lost at death, imagine what could be achieved if all our great scientists
from even just the 20th century where still around?
As Dr. Aubrey de Grey postulates, once you get the ball rolling the possibilities become endless, I just hope I
wont be part of the last generation to die.
gray.bot 02 Feb 2013
I'm pretty sure that we are kind of on the cusp of the generation. If we are super healthy I reckon we can make it - but the people our age who are super unhealthy, man they are gonna die!